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oldman420

oldman420

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every time I go to open ie7 I get a file download dialog bo instead telling me to download navcancl from ieframe.dll the download is corrupted and then ie closes I have tried reseting ei to default and making it the default browser. I do not have system restore turned on so I can not go with that route I also can not download a fresh copy of ie from ms as it is built in to vista.

any suggestions?
 
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stash

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Do you mean you personally didn't turn it off, and someone else did?
 
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Hmm. There should've been one created the last time Windows Update installed something.
 
Puffnstuff

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It started happening to me yesterday. Everytime I tried to load ie7 it crashed and it didn't matter what page I tried to load. I've read several articles over at ms and tried some of the remedies however none of them worked for me. I just started using firefox and netscape and no more problems. I'm not happy about it and I didn't do anything different when it started. I run the full gammut of antispyware, antivirus and firewall software yet this problem came out of nowhere. BTW my system restore had also been deactivated and I always keep it on so I'm stumped there as well.
 
oldman420

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I fixed it, somehow My temp internet files default location changed so I just put it back where it belongs and now things work fine."I am writing this post using opera though.
 
mechBgon

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Originally posted by: oldman420
I fixed it, somehow My temp internet files default location changed so I just put it back where it belongs and now things work fine
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That's what stash and loup garou both posted that Microsoft KB article for, that's what it says to do.

I am writing this post using opera though.
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You lose Protected Mode if you don't use IE. Just so you're aware.
 
Tegeril

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Originally posted by: stash
Do you mean you personally didn't turn it off, and someone else did?
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I've seen a bunch of Gateway machines running Vista come in to work lately with problems. System restore was turned off before shipping to the customer.

Needless to say, we do not like this behavior :(
 
Puffnstuff

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I did also want to mention that the day before my ie problem began while I was browsing the msi site I noticed some very odd behavior especially while banner ads were loading onto the mainboard page. I also watched the sites as they were listed in the status bar and I saw some very strange stuff. Then w/o warning I was redirected to a 3rd party site. Each time I tried to go to that page I was redirected to 3rd party sites at random. I then closed all browsers and ran all of my antispyware software and cleaned out the junk it left. Then I went back and it did it all over again. This time I tried firefox and netscape and netscape was redirected just like ie was. Only firefox remained on the page after it loaded. I then closed all browsers and ran my antispyware again and I was loaded up with junk assigned to all three browsers. I then cleaned it all out and email the msi webmaster about it. The next day ie began crashing w/o warning.
 
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Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
I did also want to mention that the day before my ie problem began while I was browsing the msi site I noticed some very odd behavior especially while banner ads were loading onto the mainboard page. I also watched the sites as they were listed in the status bar and I saw some very strange stuff. Then w/o warning I was redirected to a 3rd party site. Each time I tried to go to that page I was redirected to 3rd party sites at random. I then closed all browsers and ran all of my antispyware software and cleaned out the junk it left. Then I went back and it did it all over again. This time I tried firefox and netscape and netscape was redirected just like ie was. Only firefox remained on the page after it loaded. I then closed all browsers and ran my antispyware again and I was loaded up with junk assigned to all three browsers. I then cleaned it all out and email the msi webmaster about it. The next day ie began crashing w/o warning.
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That's because someone is apparently hax0ring MSI's site repeatedly and inserting Javascript into their pages. This is the one I've been noticing (attached code).

Out of curiosity, what junk did your antispyware pick up? Was it tracking cookies, or worse than that? What OS were you running?

Oh, and the navcancl problem here is apparently the result of a buggy Microsoft security update. My little sister's WinXP rig experienced it, and relocating the Temporary Internet Files directory back to its normal location resolved it.

 
Puffnstuff

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I was running vista 32 with mcafee internet security 2007 with everything except the privacy guard enabled. The majority of what they placed were tracking cookies but I've never seent that many cookies dumped before at a single site. I'm on 6mbps cable they just hammered me with them. I had well over 300 of them dumped onto my machine. I ran adaware, spybot 1.4 and mcafee to locate and remove them. Adaware located the majority of them and needless to say I wasn't happy about it. I went ahead and took the opportunity to do a clean install this time I moved to vista ultimate x64 and am in the process of restoring my files. Hopefully this will be more robust and reduce my troubles somewhat. I'll probably start using the spybot teatimer or adaware adwatch module to prevent them from being dumped onto me in the future.
 
mechBgon

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Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
I was running vista 32 with mcafee internet security 2007 with everything except the privacy guard enabled. The majority of what they placed were tracking cookies but I've never seent that many cookies dumped before at a single site. I'm on 6mbps cable they just hammered me with them. I had well over 300 of them dumped onto my machine. I ran adaware, spybot 1.4 and mcafee to locate and remove them. Adaware located the majority of them and needless to say I wasn't happy about it. I went ahead and took the opportunity to do a clean install this time I moved to vista ultimate x64 and am in the process of restoring my files. Hopefully this will be more robust and reduce my troubles somewhat. I'll probably start using the spybot teatimer or adaware adwatch module to prevent them from being dumped onto me in the future.
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If I can suggest something simple: go to the Internet Options panel, click the Privacy tab, and scoot the slider to Medium-High. Then hit the Advanced button and override automatic cookie handling. Allow first-party cookies, block third-party cookies. Clear out your existing cookies and temporary Internet files, go like that a while, and check with your spyware apps periodically. I think you'll like the result.

Cookies aren't, like, dangerous in their own right, if you weren't aware of that. They're definitely not a reason to go reinstalling your OS. If you think you have cookies you don't want, just nuke all your cookies and they're history. :thumbsup:
 
mechBgon

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If I can suggest something simple: go to the Internet Options panel, click the Privacy tab, and scoot the slider to Medium-High. Then hit the Advanced button and override automatic cookie handling. Allow first-party cookies, block third-party cookies. Clear out your existing cookies and temporary Internet files, go like that a while, and check with your spyware apps periodically. I think you'll like the result.
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BTW if you're curious what impact this would have... I have a separate user account (a non-Admin account, naturally) on my Vista installation that I deliberately dragged through MSI's hacked Technical Support page about 5 or 6 times (using IE7). I had Javascript enabled, so the Javascript inserted into MSI's page did its thing, trying to send the browser to an avalanche of other sites in an apparent click-fraud scheme.

That user account also goes to a bunch of other hostile sites every day in the course of its duties. I ran Spybot S&D 1.4 and Ad-Aware SE Personal on that user account, to show the effect of the IE7 Privacy settings I'm suggesting.

screenshot of results :camera: You may need to force your browser to show this at full size if you want to read it.

As you can see, Ad-Aware SE Personal gives it a clean result.

The things Spybot found are bookmarks that I created myself. There's also one Avenue A tracking cookie. Again, I'm not trying to make out that cookies are dangerous, but if you don't like them, changing your Privacy settings is a great way to keep lots of them out. :)

Firefox used to be able to block third-party cookies too. That option seems to have vanished from the Options menu with the 2.x versions, but there's probably add-ons to control cookies if you like.
 
Puffnstuff

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I was already running with medium high settings. Anyway someone must be peeved at msi to mess their site up like that.
 
mechBgon

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
I was already running with medium high settings. Anyway someone must be peeved at msi to mess their site up like that.
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If it's click-fraud, then I doubt it's anything personal against MSI. The bad guys just like money. Anyhow, try arbitrarily blocking third-party cookies in addition to the Medium-High privacy. I haven't found any downside to this yet. It works on other versions of Windows and IE, not just Vista / IE7.

BTW I slightly overstated the benefits with my Ad-Aware result :eek: That was a "Smart Scan," and later I did a full scan and it did find four tracking cookies on that account. Which is better than hundreds, but not quite zero. Anyway, hope this helps :)



 
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