Vista delayed to jan 2007

[biostud]

Now if the next generation of videocards are going to be DX10, but Vista first launches in a year or so, and that you need it to utilize DX10 what effect will that have on the videocards? Will they be hybrid design DX9/DX10 (some rumors about the G80)
? run DX9 games slower for quite some time? or just be marginally faster than current cards?

To me it seems that it will probably not be a good investment to go for a DX10 videocard before 2007, as the software that can utilize it won't be released before.

Any inputs?

4/4-06
Microsoft Vista delay means ATI R600 postponed

 

[JPB]

Not really an input...But ill have R600 ( if DX10 ) and Vista both upon release....

 

[nitromullet]

I'm not sure I get your point... Did DX9 cards run DX8 slower than previous cards?

 

[the Chase]

My input is that you are correct with not even worrying about DX10 until 2007 (the middle of?). And I probably will start thinking about a DX10 card late 2007 and actually buy one in the Spring of 2008. Then I'll wait a year until I can finally play the 1st fully functional DX10 game.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I'm not sure I get your point... Did DX9 cards run DX8 slower than previous cards?

As far as I understand DX9 cards were direct backwards hardware compatible with DX8, while DX10 is not. So some kind of software layer will be needed to run DX9 titles, which should decrease performance, compaired to what the card otherwise would be capable of.
Not that I think it will run DX9 slower, but maybe not that much faster than current generation.

 

[timswim78]

So, what will we need to run all of the OS eye candy in Vista? Will a DX9 card do the trick, or will we require a DX10 card?

Here is another newbie question:
Is there a database or a listing of all DX9 and DX10 cards? My google searches on the subject have been fruitless.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: timswim78
So, what will we need to run all of the OS eye candy in Vista? Will a DX9 card do the trick, or will we require a DX10 card?

Here is another newbie question:
Is there a database or a listing of all DX9 and DX10 cards? My google searches on the subject have been fruitless.

I think you just need a DirectX 9c capable card to run Aero Glass.

 

[destrekor]

here's the thing. I don't see why the next generation of cards cannot be DX10. Why? Just because they have hardware that matches DX10 spec, doesn't mean they can't be DX9-compatible. If the hardware is too different, I am sure there can be a driver-level switch that forces the the unified pipelines/shaders to hold permanent roles (some shaders, some pipelines), and the other hardware to do the same. Whatever the case, it will likely be driver-level and not cause much of a performance decrease.

I'll get a DX10 card whenever they come out, just because it will be the latest generation and its likely the G80 will be DX10, and also likely it will be crazy in performance. Well thats the idea anyway. The funding will be the key to whether or not I get the new card.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: timswim78
So, what will we need to run all of the OS eye candy in Vista? Will a DX9 card do the trick, or will we require a DX10 card?

Here is another newbie question:
Is there a database or a listing of all DX9 and DX10 cards? My google searches on the subject have been fruitless.

I think you just need a DirectX 9c capable card to run Aero Glass.

I heard you just need a DX 9.0 compliant card, and that anything 9500 Pro or above will suffice.

Hopefully Vista has smart driver management of GPU speed (like keeping GPU's underclocked even when running Aero Glass) because it would be really dumb to run that GPU at full speed and push temps of 80C on stock cooling on some cards just to keep the OS running...

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: timswim78
So, what will we need to run all of the OS eye candy in Vista? Will a DX9 card do the trick, or will we require a DX10 card?

Here is another newbie question:
Is there a database or a listing of all DX9 and DX10 cards? My google searches on the subject have been fruitless.

I think you just need a DirectX 9c capable card to run Aero Glass.

I heard you just need a DX 9.0 compliant card, and that anything 9500 Pro or above will suffice.

Hopefully Vista has smart driver management of GPU speed (like keeping GPU's underclocked even when running Aero Glass) because it would be really dumb to run that GPU at full speed and push temps of 80C on stock cooling on some cards just to keep the OS running...

Both ATI and Nvidia have a Vista compatible page. They`re pretty minimal like the X300 and 6200 would be able to run Vista. Of course, those aren`t great for video games so I`d be looking at minimum X1600 XT and 6600 GT if you don`t want to spend a lot.

 

[Auric]

I read a blurb this morning that leads me to believe you are referring to the wide retail availability as opposed to corporate/system builder/impatient enthusiast, which will remain Nov 2006. Anyhoo, I for one was not excited about the the tarted-up visual options in XP versus 2000 and indeed waited for a couple of service packs before upgrading. That would seem even more prudent with a "more different" Vista, unless actually compelled by exclusive software (read: games) or general benefits of 64-bit or such, given the hardware.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I'm not sure I get your point... Did DX9 cards run DX8 slower than previous cards?

As far as I understand DX9 cards were direct backwards hardware compatible with DX8, while DX10 is not. So some kind of software layer will be needed to run DX9 titles, which should decrease performance, compaired to what the card otherwise would be capable of.
Not that I think it will run DX9 slower, but maybe not that much faster than current generation.

This still doesn't make a whole lot of sense either...

So, what if I'm still running WinXP... Will I need a software wrapper to run DX9 games with a DX10 card on an OS that isn't even DX10 capable, or will I have to apply a DX10 patch to WinXP that allows me to run DX10 apps in WinXP, but which will also require me to run a wrapper to run DX9 apps?

I'm not saying that your wrong by any means, just that I'm kinda confused...

 

[Continuity28]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I'm not sure I get your point... Did DX9 cards run DX8 slower than previous cards?

As far as I understand DX9 cards were direct backwards hardware compatible with DX8, while DX10 is not. So some kind of software layer will be needed to run DX9 titles, which should decrease performance, compaired to what the card otherwise would be capable of.
Not that I think it will run DX9 slower, but maybe not that much faster than current generation.

This still doesn't make a whole lot of sense either...

So, what if I'm still running WinXP... Will I need a software wrapper to run DX9 games with a DX10 card on an OS that isn't even DX10 capable, or will I have to apply a DX10 patch to WinXP that allows me to run DX10 apps in WinXP, but which will also require me to run a wrapper to run DX9 apps?

I'm not saying that your wrong by any means, just that I'm kinda confused...

There wouldn't be any such patch. DirectX 10 will never appear on Windows XP. DirectX 10 requires the changes to the operating system that Vista has, any such "patch" for XP would basically be buying Vista. Driver model and kernel changes that DirectX 10 is based upon make it incompatible with Windows XP. It's only being called DirectX 10 for familiarity, they were originally going to call it WGF 2.0 I believe.

 

[biostud]

bump for update

 

[SynthDude2001]

Maybe now with the delay, by the time R600 comes out, I'll be able to afford one...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Auric
I read a blurb this morning that leads me to believe you are referring to the wide retail availability as opposed to corporate/system builder/impatient enthusiast, which will remain Nov 2006. Anyhoo, I for one was not excited about the the tarted-up visual options in XP versus 2000 and indeed waited for a couple of service packs before upgrading. That would seem even more prudent with a "more different" Vista, unless actually compelled by exclusive software (read: games) or general benefits of 64-bit or such, given the hardware.

One of the big advantages of vista is supposed to be improvements to the kernel for multicore/multi-way systems.