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Vista 64bit usage is growing rapidly

Aberforth

Golden Member
It's good to see so many people are using Vista 64, personally I'd like to take full advantage of my hardware power and there are many programs that are optimized for 64bit platform.


From WindowsVista Blog

There appears to be a shift taking place in the PC industry: the move from 32-bit to 64-bit PCs.

We've been tracking the change by looking at the percentage of 64-bit PCs connecting to Windows Update, and have seen a dramatic increase in recent months. The installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista PCs, as a percentage of all Windows Vista systems, has more than tripled in the U.S. in the last three months, while worldwide adoption has more than doubled during the same period. Another view shows that 20% of new Windows Vista PCs in the U.S. connecting to Windows Update in June were 64-bit PCs, up from just 3% in March. Put more simply, usage of 64-bit Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on current trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts to supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops and laptops.

64-bit PCs running 64-bit editions of Windows Vista typically have 4GB of memory or more. Compared to 32-bit systems, which top out at around 3GB of memory, 64-bit PCs can offer added responsiveness when running a lot of applications at the same time and have the potential for greater performance and new experiences as next-generations applications are written to take advantage of this new platform.

What started out as a gradual (some would say "glacial") movement toward 64-bit PCs, driven primarily by technology enthusiasts, seems to have turned into a swift transition, likely fueled by the falling cost of memory and consumers' desire to get the most out of their PCs.

This change begs a few questions:

Is the 64 bit market ready to go mainstream?

Will consumers realize the benefits from larger chips and 4GB or more of memory?

The answer to both of these questions is yes - but a qualified yes.

Preconfigured 64-bit PCs obtained from retailers or PC manufacturers should work quite well. This is in stark contrast to the experience of many technology enthusiasts who built their 64-bit PC from scratch and may have had to scour the Web looking for drivers. So, unless you really love to tinker with your PC, we suggest you buy a pre-built 64-bit PC at retail or directly from a PC manufacturer.

Beyond the box, you also need to consider the hardware peripherals and software programs you plan on using with your new PC. Any hardware or software product displaying the ?Works with Windows Vista' or ?Certified for Windows Vista' logo must be compatible with both the 32-bit and 64-bit editions of Windows Vista in order to warrant the use of the logo. If you don't see the logo, visit the Windows Vista Compatibility Center and check the 64-bit compatibility status. Hardware and software vendors continue to test and improve their products. Please note that the Windows Vista Compatibility Center is currently in beta. In some cases it is possible that a device may be marked as not compatible when in fact it is. I recommend that you also check with the device manufacturer to see if the compatibility status of your desired device has changed.

On the performance front, 64-bit PCs can provide a more responsive experience when running many applications simultaneously. Websites such as Bit.Tech.Net and Tom's Hardware have published performance benchmarks detailing some of the improvements realized from running the 64-bit PCs. In addition, PC Accelerators built into Windows Vista, such as Windows SuperFetch, improve performance by keeping commonly used programs in memory, even when the program is closed. More memory capacity on 64-bit PCs allows SuperFetch to do its job more efficiently.

But if you only use your PC for a few tasks, and rarely do them at the same time, then you're unlikely to realize a measurable performance benefit today. Of course, buying extra capacity for your future, unplanned needs is always worth considering.

In the future, we expect both compatibility and performance of 64-bit PCs to continue to improve. Most hardware devices have 64-bit drivers today and most software products work unmodified because of the 32-bit emulation technology in 64-bit Windows Vista (called WOW64). But there are some gaps, especially in the long tail of the market, but we expect rapid improvement now that 64-bit PCs are getting so popular.

Over time we'll see more 64-bit-optimized programs hit the market, which promise dramatic performance and experience improvements. A few key ones, like Adobe Lightroom & Photoshop and Sony Vegas Pro video editing software, are due to be released this fall. If you're a software or hardware developer, visit our 64-bit readiness page to learn more about 64-bit compatibility and optimization.

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great news, still 64-bit native apps are lacking.

Currently I have open on Vista x64:
Steam: 32 bit
Notepad++: 32 bit
Word 2007: 32 bit
Firefox: 32 bit
Acrobat: 32-bit
etc.
 
Just finished upgrading to Vista Home Premium myself 🙂 Mostly for the ability to use > 4GB of RAM, so I wouldn't have to worry about memory limits if I wanted to run some virtual machines in an app like Virtual PC or VirtualBox (which I do). I guess I could have gone with Linux as the base system and saved some money, but I wanted something that would still let me play games and similar, fairly windows-specific things. So I shelled out for Vista and some more RAM.
 
I'm another new user, got 64 bit for the ability to use ram. It's amazing how many 6 to 8 hundred dollars systems at the big box stores are Vista 64 bit now and just in the last few weeks. Even laptops. Hopefully this will encourage more 64 bit programming.
 
I think we're finally going to see native 64 bit apps now that the installed base has increased. It's good to see that the Vista FUD is dying down and people are willing to go with Vista 64.
 
Originally posted by: nerp
I think we're finally going to see native 64 bit apps now that the installed base has increased. It's good to see that the Vista FUD is dying down and people are willing to go with Vista 64.

It will take longer, there is little reason for most applications to port to 64bit at this point. The only ones are those that truely need >2gig of address space. In the consumer segment, that will be games first.

Thats not to say that V64 isn't the way to go, its more important that the OS uses and manages >4gig today than any one app be able to use >2 (well >4 with LAE enabled on the binary)

Bill
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: nerp
I think we're finally going to see native 64 bit apps now that the installed base has increased. It's good to see that the Vista FUD is dying down and people are willing to go with Vista 64.

It will take longer, there is little reason for most applications to port to 64bit at this point. The only ones are those that truely need >2gig of address space. In the consumer segment, that will be games first.


Bill

64bit has 2X more processing capacity when the code is optimized for it, a 64bit CPU has more registers and will be able to process more data per clock cycle, very useful in Audio/Video/Image Editing, games that use Physics, virtual simulations, virtual OS and many more

 
Ed Bott has wrote about this very same subject in his blog at ZDNet.

Last year, x64 editions of Windows Vista were hard to come by and seen as mainly for early adopters. This year, with little warning, the tide seems to have shifted dramatically. I noticed the first hint three weeks ago, when I visited HP?s website to check the specs of the new TX2500z notebook and saw that a 64-bit upgrade was available for all models. When I looked at the flyers in last Sunday?s paper, I saw several PCs at Best Buy with 64-bit Vista Home Premium Edition installed, including notebooks from HP and Toshiba and quad-core desktops from Gateway and Dell; the former came with 4GB of RAM and a 19-inch LCD monitor for $750, while the latter had 6GB of RAM and a 19-inch monitor for $830.


Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream
 
64bit has 2X more processing capacity when the code is optimized for it, a 64bit CPU has more registers and will be able to process more data per clock cycle, very useful in Audio/Video/Image Editing, games that use Physics, virtual simulations, virtual OS and many more

Yep, and my point is that Notepad is fast enough, so is IE. In the consumer segment you'll see games go 64bit first followed laser by other applications, but this switch over isnt going to take a year, its a 1-8 year migration.

Unlike the 16bit to 32bit switch over, there is not as much of a performance improvement (for most applications) and (most) applications arent really hitting the memory limit yet.

However the OS was, running multiple apps all having 4gig of usable user more space is a huge improvement over 2 years ago, the apps will follow but will take time.
 
Good points, but I think people will jump on the 64 bandwagon and people will pump out 64 bit versions of apps that don't necessarily need it for marketing reasons, not performance reasons. You KNOW if people could choose between Photoshop and Photoshop 64, they're going to go "I want the 64 bit one! It's faster, right?!"

People said 64 bit computing was pointless and wouldn't be relevant for another 8-10 years when the first A64 was released. Look where we are now. Not that AMD is the only reason we're actually at a point where consumers are adopting 64 bit OSs faster thatn 32 bit ones, but it SURE did help speed up the inevitable process.
 
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so 54-bit Vistas are combing because hardware manufacturers want to make more $ on RAM.

At least someone got it. 😀 lol

They sell it cheap per gig now...so how do you make more $? Sell more gigs!


Yeah...and I went to 4GB...and am stuck w/ the 64bit debate now. haha

In my case, if games are not goin to be faster with 4gb & 64bit over ~3gb & 32bit, its not worth it for me.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
It will take longer, there is little reason for most applications to port to 64bit at this point. The only ones are those that truely need >2gig of address space. In the consumer segment, that will be games first.

Thats not to say that V64 isn't the way to go, its more important that the OS uses and manages >4gig today than any one app be able to use >2 (well >4 with LAE enabled on the binary)
This isn't necessarily true. I'm a developer and I need >2 to run multiple virtual machines. Each VM only needs 1GB or so, but when you've got 2 or 3 running at once that extra memory is very much needed. I do play games as well and I'm not yet seeing the need for more than >2GB with them yet. Granted, that day will come 🙂

techfuzz
 
It's because every pre-built computer I've seen with 4Gb of RAM comes installed with Vista 64-bit. The average consumer is now very likely to buy a 64-bit OS if they decide to get a 4Gb computer...generally without even realizing they got 64-bit.
 
Originally posted by: nerp
I think we're finally going to see native 64 bit apps now that the installed base has increased. It's good to see that the Vista FUD is dying down and people are willing to go with Vista 64.

Exactly right! :thumbsup:

 
At this time I think the availability of 64 bit systems is more marketing than anything. Even people who use their computers for just the internet are aware of Vista's ram requirements. Especially if they bought one of those Vista Basic pos that were the most prevalent low priced system a year or so ago. 4 or 6 gigs is a good marketing tool. Not sure what Microsoft charges for their OEM software but it seems low cost ram and higher priced software would be a wash. If HP offers it then everyone has to, even at low margins. I read somewhere that 41% of HP's operating profit comes from ink. So evidently the computer business is just a scam to sell ink.
 
Originally posted by: techfuzz
Originally posted by: bsobel
It will take longer, there is little reason for most applications to port to 64bit at this point. The only ones are those that truely need >2gig of address space. In the consumer segment, that will be games first.

Thats not to say that V64 isn't the way to go, its more important that the OS uses and manages >4gig today than any one app be able to use >2 (well >4 with LAE enabled on the binary)
This isn't necessarily true. I'm a developer and I need >2 to run multiple virtual machines. Each VM only needs 1GB or so, but when you've got 2 or 3 running at once that extra memory is very much needed. I do play games as well and I'm not yet seeing the need for more than >2GB with them yet. Granted, that day will come 🙂

techfuzz

Re-rad what I said, you actually just backed it up. Each VM only needs <4 but the ability to run multiple is what you found important, as I said, its more important (today) for the OS to have the capability than for most single applications.
 
Good news, but this isn't surprising. We've had hardware capable of it for years now, the only left was getting a better boost in driver support as well as getting people to realize there isn't much to fear from the new OS as it can run all your old 32bit apps just fine. I've made comments along this line before, but I'm sure there are a lot of users out there who opted for 32bit Vista if only because they were being overly cautious out of fear of compatibility issues when their hardware was otherwise perfectly capable of running the 64bit version without any more fuss than the 32bit version.
 
I never touched 32bit vista at all since Vista came out, I got lucky my vista ultimate box had two retail keys 😉
 
i hope that by windows 7 64bit will be like 80% of machines...the potential here is so high yet people are not realizing what it can do (although I do miss out on windows entertainment pack...dam you 8 bit processes)
 
Add me to the tally, just installed Vista64 yesterday on my new rig (significant improvement going from 2gb DDR1, AMD Socket 939 Athlon64 4000+, x1950 Pro AGP to Intel 9450, 4gb DD2, and an nVidia GTX260). If only OpenSUSE 11 would work properly on my P5Q Pro... guess I will have to wait until 11.1 🙁
 
Every PC I built this year has 64bit OS (90% Vista 10% Linux).

I hope this trend accelerate and MS decide to scrap 32bit version of Windows 7.
 
" Gateway will be transitioning its entire desktop line to 64-bit in time for the back-to-school shopping season."

^ That's a really good news, if this goes on we are going to see large scale adoption in 18 months.
 
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