Vinyl to computer

harobikes333

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So... I came up with the great Idea to give my dad a Vinyl to MP3 Turntable for his upcoming Bday.... but ...


I don't know what to get him/ some of the direct drive ones are like 300-400 dollars( too much) but I don't really want to get him a belt driven one...

Does anyone know of one that has direct drive that is decent? / and has the USB thing too?

Here are some I found:

Think Geek - Ion USB Turntable

Amazon.com - Numark Turntable with USB ( direct Driven.... but also 300 sum...)

Any help/comments are greatly appreciated.

 

mshan

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Audio-Technica AT-PL50 turntable with Audacity (free download) and your current sound card (I got this for my dad, and it sounds damn good for it's price and plastic construction - highly musical, and rips using integrated sound even sound very good), or

Pro-Ject Debut USB, again with Audacity (no sound card needed).

Other option would be a Technics professional dj turntable, again with Audacity. Check out http://www.headfi.org for more info on this option.
 

DaveSimmons

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That $80 refurb at Amazon sounds like a good choice if your Dad doesn't already own a normal turntable and you can check in advance that his PC line in is "clean" (noise-free).

Otherwise, the USB versions above from Geeks ($100) and Circuit City ($150) remove the problem of some soundcards picking up noise from the PC when using their line-in, since the analog-to-digital translation happens at the turntable not in the PC.

It's been years since I checked, but isn't the main problem with belt drive from stretching over time? Your dad can have all his LPs digitized before that happens.
 

funkymatt

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I have the numark ttusb, no issues. I bought a better cartridge for it though. it's exactly the same thing as the one at thinkgeek.
 

0roo0roo

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i remember reading that many of the cartridges that came with them were pretty lousy.
 

Vic

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Good turntable plus Audacity is all you need. I have done many vinyl rips. Don't waste money on these gimmics, but a good turntable.

 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Vic
Good turntable plus Audacity is all you need. I have done many vinyl rips. Don't waste money on these gimmics, but a good turntable.

You still need a preamp to get it to the computer, unless your turntable has one built in like some of the newer ones designed for this specific task. Older turntables although usually better quality than some of the newer ones do not have enough output to plug directly into the computer.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Vic
Good turntable plus Audacity is all you need. I have done many vinyl rips. Don't waste money on these gimmics, but a good turntable.

You still need a preamp to get it to the computer, unless your turntable has one built in like some of the newer ones designed for this specific task. Older turntables although usually better quality than some of the newer ones do not have enough output to plug directly into the computer.

Technics or Stanton turntable with a good sound card and software and there shouldn't be a problem here.
 

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
It's been years since I checked, but isn't the main problem with belt drive from stretching over time?

Belt drive turntables tend to have more wow and flutter (be less accurate, because of the belt) from the git-go than a direct-drive, but a direct-drive imparts more noise, what with the motor being directly connected to the platter, all other things being equal.

A well engineered version of either is just fine, imho.

Originally posted by: Vic
Technics or Stanton turntable with a good sound card and software and there shouldn't be a problem here.

LOL, Stanton makes turntables? I still have my Stanton 681EEE cartridge, with it's plush case containing its gold metal box and gold plated tiny screwdriver and original, hand-notated and hand-signed, (by the engineer who conducted it), calibration test, from WAY back in the day, like 40 years ago!

Apparently, they're still making and selling them! :shocked:

I refuse to believe it's the same company, or even that it could be substantially the same cartridge (although is sure as hell looks like it is). It was my impression back then (late '60's, early '70's) that Shure was already starting to surpass them.

Btw, headphone fans, that was how I first knew of Grado, as a phono cartridge maker. This was back when Koss was a premium headphone maker, and an American company whose products were designed and built here.

Wow, I did not know this history:

Walter O. Stanton, the inventor of an easily replaceable phonograph stylus that was crucial to creating a consumer market for audio equipment, died on Monday in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla. He was 86.

In the late 1940's Mr. Stanton's slide-in stylus made it possible for users to replace a needle assembly when it wore out, instead of having to send it back to the factory. Audiophiles snapped them up for home use, and the invention became one of the basics in phonograph cartridge design.

But Mr. Stanton was as much a salesman as he was an engineer. In 1950, he bought Pickering & Company, the audio component manufacturer that first sold his patented stylus.

A decade later he founded another company, Stanton Magnetics, which was one of the first American companies to make and sell magnetic cartridges that improved sound quality and allowed for a less-expensive product in the 1970's. Both companies had operations in Plainview, N.Y., and West Palm Beach, Fla.

Rather than selling the phonograph as one big console, Mr. Stanton was one of the first to separate the electronics, the turntable and the cartridges and sell them separately to consumers.

To do that effectively, he prodded the major manufacturers to arrive at standards for the mounting systems for cartridges and the type of recording on vinyl records. He served as president of the Audio Engineering Society and was inducted into the Audio Hall of Fame, family members said.

In his effort to broaden the market for audio components, Mr. Stanton helped found the Institute of High Fidelity, whose annual trade shows in Manhattan attracted crowds of gadget lovers.

Pickering, yeah, I remember them as a higher end cartridge/stylus maker back in the day. Didn't know they were owned by Stanton.










 

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Originally posted by: mshan
Audio-Technica AT-PL50 turntable with Audacity (free download) and your current sound card (I got this for my dad, and it sounds damn good for it's price and plastic construction - highly musical, and rips using integrated sound even sound very good), or

Pro-Ject Debut USB, again with Audacity (no sound card needed).

Other option would be a Technics professional dj turntable, again with Audacity. Check out http://www.headfi.org for more info on this option.

Originally posted by: Xanis
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm...m/ccd/productDetail.do

My dad has that. He has something like 177 vinyls and has been using it to convert them all to digital formats with no problems.

Thinking of buying the Audio Technica myself to digitize my wife's vinyl collection.

Costco has it on sale for $99 till the end of the month...thread.


Amazon has it cheaper...Text
 

Squisher

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I :heart: my Dual.


As long as it's no good to DJs to use for scratching, old quality turntables are easy to find on craigslist.

 

mshan

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Remember, if you have vinyl that wasn't meticulously cared for, or of high original pressing quality, you may not want to hear every detail, along with every click and pop, now on the recording surface.

I like that AT-PL50 because it produces a very highly musical and listenable sound, even with very poorly cared for records.

 

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Originally posted by: Squisher
I :heart: my Dual.


As long as it's no good to DJs to use for scratching, old quality turntables are easy to find on craigslist.

Most, perhaps ALL, Duals were belt drive. Belt drive TT's are useless to DJ's. They only use direct drive TT's, for what I hope are obvious reasons.

 

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in the world of high quality turntables belt and direct are on the same level. I have a B&O 1900 that sounds great and is belt drive. the speed control is very good. this is used with a TCC preamp and an m-audio fast track pro to digitize my collection. I would recommend you find a good table first. I do not recommend the B&O stuff because of its proprietary cartridges that are very expensive. I also recommend some sort of record cleaning device. i just use a carbon fiber brush and distilled water but there are machines that will do a much better job. I am sure that the usb tables work but you will get a much higher quality recording with a real turntable, preamp and audio interface. the reason these things are separated is to reduce the amount of noise that is close to the cartridge. My turntable is on a seperate stand from all of the other gear to reduce the vibration that is picked up.
 

harobikes333

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Thanks sooo much for all of the replies !

So.. from my perspective... belt driven isn't that big of a deal unless you want to be an audiophile( which my dad isn't ) or if u want the thing to last forever(belts loosen)....? Correct?

I looked at the Costco deal... and I think that is the best way to go...

because if you look at the amazon deal... it doesn't say anything about USB being on it...


The verdict is?
 

mshan

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The analog to digital converter incorporated into the turntable is probably just so so, so you have to decide whether to pay more, or just use the line in of your current sound card for analog to digital conversion (it may be better than the analog to digital converter in the line in of a motherboard's integrated sound card, but a more premium dedicated sound card may have more a more advanced analog to digital converter chip on it's line in input).

I'd go for the latter, unless you got that much more expensive Pro-Ject Debut USB turntable with integrated phono preamp and analog to digital converter.

edit: I think the stand alone turntable dips down to the low $60 range at Amazon, so if you buy it, just use http://www.refundplease.com to track purchase (I'd also put it back into your Amazon shopping cart because refund please isn't always reliable about notification) and you can take advantage of Amazon's 30 day price guarantee.
 

harobikes333

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so.... what one should i get>_<

I've reread your reply a couple of times and i dont' quite get what you mean completely ( did i mention i got 4 hours of sleep last night....?)

work at 5am tomorrow... so i must be going but if you could explain/ someone ..

i'd appreciate it TONS!

Thanks sooo much
 

mshan

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Both turntables have an integrated phono preamp, so you can connect the RCA outputs to any standard stereo equipment.

The AT-PL50 does not have an integrated analog to digital converter, so you would need to plug the RCA outputs into the line in of your current computer's sound card to convert the analog signal to digital.

The USB Audio Technica has an integrated analog to digital converter in it, thus the direct USB output.

Which is better?

Probably depends upon how much you want to spend, and how good of a sound card you currently have in your computer (if integrated sound, probably the USB Audio Technica, if a nice recent sound card, probably going to get more accurate conversion with the computer sound card).

If price difference isn't that important, just get the USB one from Costco. i believe it also has RCA outputs, so if you think it's integrated analog to digital converter isn't that good, you can still connect the RCA outputs to the line in of your high quality sound card, too.
 

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Originally posted by: harobikes333
Colt. what do you mean...?

I think he just means don't get a cheap, toy belt-drive TT.