Vince Young to suffer horrible injury. Titans season to go down in flames.

[Pocatello]

He's going to break something, and it's not going to be the curse.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: mooglekit

Originally posted by: kalster
also talking about overrated, Brady Quinn b*ching about wanting to be the no #1 pick in the draft is annoying, he didn't win even 1 big game in his entire career at ND

I'll agree wholeheartedly with that. After watching him in a few big games it was really, really hard to understand any hype about him. I just see a whiney rich kid who isn't getting his way.:disgust:

Oh god, give me a break with these uneducated comments. :roll:

First of all, since 90% of this forum is biased against Notre Dame, by default I take what anyone has to say about the team or its most prolific passer (by the numbers) with a grain of salt.

Second of all, it's kind of hard to win big games when your defense GIVES UP big points consistently. Why do you think he has so many TD's, passing yards, and attempts? Uh.. because they needed to score and score a lot! And guess what.. that's what Quinn DID for the last 2 ****** years, he scored his ASS off only to always lose in the big games because his defense never gives him a chance. As good as he is (and believe me, he IS good) you just can't win without defense, is that Quinn's fault?

Thrid, go ahead and keep calling him a whiny bitch like the jealous haters you are making yourselves out to be with these pathetically explained observations. What you call "whining" I call re-emphasizing how great he became in only 2 years time at one of the most scrutinized positions on THE MOST scrutinized team. Whiney rich kid.. right.. Jamarcus Russell didn't *beat* Quinn in that bowl game either, contrary to popular belief, he beat a porous defense and dug ND into a hole where Quinn had to take chances in order to get out of it.

He wants to go #1, plain and simple, he doesn't care about going to his hometown at #4 or going to a better built team at #5 - #10, he wants to go #1 and he's trying to get the Raiders to realize he's more prepared and has a better upside then Russell. So call that whining if you want, but I call it campaigning and it's something that he's not the first QB to do, believe it or not.

you make it sound as if he lost big games close, lot of the bowl games and losses to big rivals (eg usc, michigan this year) etc were blowout looses, if he brought his team close in these games I can conceded that the defense didn't protect a lead or whatever, but he didn't perform that well to begin with and they lost by 2-3 scores in a lot of cases,. He is an OK quarterback, most of his numbers were again weaker teams (for eg all the academies they played last year)

 

[LeiZaK]

I say Vince Young pulls a Ronald Reagan this year and breaks the curse. Titans are playoff-bound.

 

[mooglekit]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: mooglekit

Originally posted by: kalster
also talking about overrated, Brady Quinn b*ching about wanting to be the no #1 pick in the draft is annoying, he didn't win even 1 big game in his entire career at ND

I'll agree wholeheartedly with that. After watching him in a few big games it was really, really hard to understand any hype about him. I just see a whiney rich kid who isn't getting his way.:disgust:

Oh god, give me a break with these uneducated comments. :roll:
First of all, since 90% of this forum is biased against Notre Dame, by default I take what anyone has to say about the team or its most prolific passer (by the numbers) with a grain of salt.
Second of all, it's kind of hard to win big games when your defense GIVES UP big points consistently. Why do you think he has so many TD's, passing yards, and attempts? Uh.. because they needed to score and score a lot! And guess what.. that's what Quinn DID for the last 2 ****** years, he scored his ASS off only to always lose in the big games because his defense never gives him a chance. As good as he is (and believe me, he IS good) you just can't win without defense, is that Quinn's fault?
Thrid, go ahead and keep calling him a whiny bitch like the jealous haters you are making yourselves out to be with these pathetically explained observations. What you call "whining" I call re-emphasizing how great he became in only 2 years time at one of the most scrutinized positions on THE MOST scrutinized team. Whiney rich kid.. right.. Jamarcus Russell didn't *beat* Quinn in that bowl game either, contrary to popular belief, he beat a porous defense and dug ND into a hole where Quinn had to take chances in order to get out of it.
He wants to go #1, plain and simple, he doesn't care about going to his hometown at #4 or going to a better built team at #5 - #10, he wants to go #1 and he's trying to get the Raiders to realize he's more prepared and has a better upside then Russell. So call that whining if you want, but I call it campaigning and it's something that he's not the first QB to do, believe it or not.

Ha, funny thing is I'm an impartial observer...I couldn't care less where he was drafted and I certainly don't have a problem with Notre Dame, so I don't fit into your 90% figure there (nice stats, I like it when people throw out random "stats" for emphasis). I just honestly don't see him developing into a star QB in the NFL, and to tell you the truth I would advise him to try NOT to get drafted by the Raiders, unless he wants a certain death sentence for his career.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: kalster
you make it sound as if he lost big games close, lot of the bowl games and losses to big rivals (eg usc, michigan this year) etc were blowout looses, if he brought his team close in these games I can conceded that the defense didn't protect a lead or whatever, but he didn't perform that well to begin with and they lost by 2-3 scores in a lot of cases,. He is an OK quarterback, most of his numbers were again weaker teams (for eg all the academies they played last year)

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200510150104

Brady Quinn took the team on his back with an 87-yard drive and ran into the end zone with only 2 minutes left to win that game. You know what happened next? The ND defense gives up a HUGE pass play on 4th & long, let the USC offense get down to the goal line, and let Leinart get pushed into the end zone as time expired. So tell me.. did Quinn lose that big game or did the defense lose it for him? He did EVERYTHING in his power to win that game coming from behind.

Quinn threw for almost 300 yards in the Fiesta Bowl that year against Ohio State when they had Santonio Holmes and AJ Hawk as well as Ginn Jr. and Troy Smith. They were smoked on defense, but Quinn never threw an INT and got them close enough for 3 running TDs. Again.. defense prevented ANY comeback from happening.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: mooglekit
Ha, funny thing is I'm an impartial observer...I couldn't care less where he was drafted and I certainly don't have a problem with Notre Dame, so I don't fit into your 90% figure there (nice stats, I like it when people throw out random "stats" for emphasis). I just honestly don't see him developing into a star QB in the NFL, and to tell you the truth I would advise him to try NOT to get drafted by the Raiders, unless he wants a certain death sentence for his career.

My random stat obviously isn't factual, but comes from dealing with the preponderance of people on here who like to bash Notre Dame. I agree with you that he should stay away from the Raiders, that's not up for debate nor does he have any control over that, but this is what he wants and has stated it in many interviews and conversations with reporters and analysts. Going #1 in a draft is something special and obviously he wants to experience that regardless of how bad the team who picks him at that position is.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Haha... a lot of people must have turned down the offer to be on the cover. There are quite a few players who should be on the cover instead of VY. Yes, he's a good quarterback with a lot of potential. I just hate how people jump on bandwagons after a few games. I personally think established veterans should be on the cover. Not a rookie.

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Oh god, give me a break with these uneducated comments. :roll:

First of all, since 90% of this forum is biased against Notre Dame, by default I take what anyone has to say about the team or its most prolific passer (by the numbers) with a grain of salt.

Second of all, it's kind of hard to win big games when your defense GIVES UP big points consistently. Why do you think he has so many TD's, passing yards, and attempts? Uh.. because they needed to score and score a lot! And guess what.. that's what Quinn DID for the last 2 ****** years, he scored his ASS off only to always lose in the big games because his defense never gives him a chance. As good as he is (and believe me, he IS good) you just can't win without defense, is that Quinn's fault?

Thrid, go ahead and keep calling him a whiny bitch like the jealous haters you are making yourselves out to be with these pathetically explained observations. What you call "whining" I call re-emphasizing how great he became in only 2 years time at one of the most scrutinized positions on THE MOST scrutinized team. Whiney rich kid.. right.. Jamarcus Russell didn't *beat* Quinn in that bowl game either, contrary to popular belief, he beat a porous defense and dug ND into a hole where Quinn had to take chances in order to get out of it.

He wants to go #1, plain and simple, he doesn't care about going to his hometown at #4 or going to a better built team at #5 - #10, he wants to go #1 and he's trying to get the Raiders to realize he's more prepared and has a better upside then Russell. So call that whining if you want, but I call it campaigning and it's something that he's not the first QB to do, believe it or not.

I don't think you can call the comments uneducated. When you look at his career in big games, I would say it is mixed. Here are the stats:


2006 Season

OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT
Penn St W 41-17 25 36 287 69.4 32 3 0 Ranked #25 at end of year
Michigan L 47-21 24 48 234 50.0 33 3 3 Ranked #9 at end of year
@USC L 44-24 22 45 274 48.9 42 3 0 Ranked #4 at end of year
LSU L 41-14 15 35 148 42.9 24 2 2 Ranked #3(Bowl)at end of year

Total 86 164 943 52.4 11 5
Total Season 289 467 3426 61.9 37 7

2005 Season

OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT
USC L 34-31 19 35 264 54.3 36 1 1 Ranked #2 at end of year
Ohio St L 34-20 29 45 286 64.4 28 0 0 Ranked #4 (Bowl)at end of year

Total 48 80 550 60.0 1 1
Total Season 292 450 3919 64.9 32 7

2004 Season

OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT
Michigan W 28-20 10 20 178 50.0 49 2 3 Ranked #12 at end of year
@Navy W 27-9 11 20 130 55.0 30 1 2 Ranked #24 at end of year
BC L 24-23 20 33 231 60.6 33 1 2 Ranked #21 at end of year
@Tenn W 17-13 12 23 118 52.2 29 1 0 Ranked #15 at end of year
Pitt L 41-38 15 26 259 57.7 46 3 2 Ranked #25 at end of year
@USC L 41-10 15 29 105 51.7 20 1 0 Ranked #1 at end of year
Oreg St L 38-21 17 29 214 58.6 35 2 1 Unranked Bowl Opponent

Total 83 151 1021 55.0 9 9
Total Season 191 353 2586 54.1 17 10

W-L Big Games 4-9

Unfortunately I don't know how to get the stats to lineup, but he has had both good and bad games against good opponents. You pointed out 2 of his better ones, but in fairness you have to mention Michigan and LSU this year which were not great games for him with 5 interceptions in the 2 games and a sub 50% completion rate. Also in 2004 Michigan, Navy, and Boston College were subpar games as well.

He has been pretty accurate and doesn't throw a lot of INTs so I think he has the tools to be a good NFL QB. I wouldn't say his upside is better than Jamarcus Russell though. Russell has one of the strongest arms ever seen by NFL scouts. He is very gifted physically with size and good mobility for a big man. Based off this I would say he has more potential upside, but I question his heart and desire. It will remain to be seen who ends up being better. As to your comments about the Sugar Bowl, Quinn only threw for 148 yards, 2 ints and 42.9% completion. The defense wasn't the only reason they lost that game.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: LeiZaK
I say Vince Young pulls a Ronald Reagan this year and breaks the curse. Titans are playoff-bound.

before the pacman jones and travis henry fiasco, i would have agreed with you...

loss of pacman will hurt vince and the titans that guy was an unbelievable playmaker

 

[Playmaker]

Is the "curse" supposed to happen in the year the game comes out? Or the following year? Wasn't Eddie George on the Madden 2001 box, which came out in 2000, and wasn't 2000 his monster season? Or did he get hurt that year?

 

[Queasy]

EA

We asked if the decision makers at EA felt nervous about throwing such a promising, young player under the bus, considering that most of the athletes have suffered significant injuries.

"We're trying to go with a really young, healthy guy who's not going to get hurt," Erb joked. "The jinx thing bites us every year. I haven't told this to people, but I've got a bottle of champagne in my office that we're ready to pop once someone breaks the curse. And we're hoping Vince has a tremendous year, and will be that guy, because that's the best story for us."

Uhhh...Vick was young and healthy and broke his leg in the preseason of his Madden cover.

 

[Queasy]

YouTube - Young on Jimmy Kimmel Live talking about the curse.

 

[LS20]

what's the big deal? hes just a kid who
1) broke the streak against OU
2) won texas' first bcs bowl
3) won their first championship in 30 years
4) took 4-12 team to 6 wins in a row, and barely missing the playoffs as a rookie

i mean, aside from all of that, hes a crappy passer and terrible qb

 

[jman19]

The Titans are already screwed for next year. That chump Pacman Jones was actually one of their best players.

Hopefully Young becomes a good passer and isn't the next Vick. Personally, I don't think Vick's style wins championships and I don't find him very exciting anymore either.

 

[SpanishFry]

Sweet! LT must've said "not no, but HELL NO!"

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SpanishFry
Sweet! LT must've said "not no, but HELL NO!"

Said no over the money, not the curse

Multiple industry sources have told me that Tomlinson, in fact, was asked of his interest, was presented with an offer, and told Electronic Arts he was not interested. Tomlinson's turning down of Electronic Arts, we're told, doesn't have much to do with the highly-publicized curse, which has been attributed to the recent misfortune of Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb and Shaun Alexander. It has more to do with the fact that the people at Electronic Arts know that, for many, their cover is seen as the "Wheaties box endorsement" -- in that athletes are usually so honored they are willing to do it for less than market value. Tomlinson wasn't.

The deal usually pays the cover athlete $100,000 to $200,000 and requires multiple appearances to pump up the game. Since the Madden game sort of sells itself, the athlete on the cover doesn't really matter that much, but expect more NFL stars to turn down the cover in the future, not because of the curse, but because the price is just too low.

 

[Queasy]

ESPN reviews the cover curse

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Towards the end of the season the Titans were looking good and exciting.

Yep. All the Titans needed was to win their last game against the Pats and they would have miraculously moved into the final playoff spot. VY is the ONLY reason the Titans are drafting 19th instead of somewhere in the top 5 picks this year.