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speedy2 said:
Is a shade tree mechanic going to be able to work on/want to work on a new engine or an old one? That was my only point.
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Yes if he knows what he's doing. The only difference is he might have to borrow or rent some unique tools. Shadetrees don't stock scanners and thousands of dollars of OEM SSTs that are unique ro makes and models of vehicles, esp ones they don't even own.
 
jlee said:
Beats me. An off the shelf Accessport tune on an '11 STi should give you north of 330hp and 350lb-ft...the point still stands, dude. You can't look at a 4cyl and a V8 and automatically assume the V8 makes more power.
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Sigh, dude that I told you about that bought that 400 WHP '05 STI just traded it in for a '10 Mustang GT. I don't think he had the STI more than 5 months :hmm:

Funny thing is he had a 99-04 Mustang GT before the STI.

STI was $19k I think, don't know why he'd go back to a Mustang if it wasn't a 03/04 Cobra or 5.0 GT or something in the league of that STI, I'm totally confused.
 
jlee said:
Beats me. An off the shelf Accessport tune on an '11 STi should give you north of 330hp and 350lb-ft...the point still stands, dude. You can't look at a 4cyl and a V8 and automatically assume the V8 makes more power.
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Let's boost and tune the V8's too so it's fair...

The point is stupid, imo.

BMW had a 1200+hp 1.5L 4 cylinder in the eighties. It was "tuned" too...

So 4 cylinders in the eighties could also "trash" V8's of the eighties...
 
The sound you get from a 4cyl can never match the rumble of a V8. While I do agree that the Subbies sound pretty good and some audio trickery from the muffler can help the sound, but nothing like the sound you can get from a v8 with a decent exhaust.

Pure Sex.
 
Lotheron said:
The sound you get from a 4cyl can never match the rumble of a V8. While I do agree that the Subbies sound pretty good and some audio trickery from the muffler can help the sound, but nothing like the sound you can get from a v8 with a decent exhaust.

Pure Sex.
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But it's all exhaust trickery anyway. There's no inherent reason why a V8 would be more rumbly than an I4. In fact, since the 4 cylinder has fewer firings per revolution, it would be a lower pitch all else being equal.
 
Throckmorton said:
But it's all exhaust trickery anyway. There's no inherent reason why a V8 would be more rumbly than an I4. In fact, since the 4 cylinder has fewer firings per revolution, it would be a lower pitch all else being equal.
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The rumble of the V8 is entirely unique to a cross plane V8 due to the odd firing order:

L R L L R L R R

Two cylinders on the same bank fire one after the other, then swap banks. This is unique only to the crossplane crank V8 and the classic burble sound comes directly from that firing pattern and resulting exhaust wave interference.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Let's boost and tune the V8's too so it's fair...

The point is stupid, imo.

BMW had a 1200+hp 1.5L 4 cylinder in the eighties. It was "tuned" too...

So 4 cylinders in the eighties could also "trash" V8's of the eighties...
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I guess you don't get it. Oh, and link to the street-legal car that 1200hp 1.5l came in, please. Thanks.
 
jlee said:
I guess you don't get it. Oh, and link to the street-legal car that 1200hp 1.5l came in, please. Thanks.
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Okay, let's play.

What stock supercar V8's of the early 80's does the stock Subie's turbo 4 "destroy"?

"destroy" doesn't mean "best by a little", it means "destroy", as in demolish. As in, lots more power.

Which ones?
 
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LTC8K6 said:
Okay, let's play.

What stock supercar V8's of the early 80's does the stock Subie's turbo 4 "trash"?

"trash" doesn't mean "best by a little", it means "trash", as in demolish. As in, lots more power.

Which ones?
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The Ferrari 308GTS had a turbocharged 3.0L V8 that only put out 240hp with the American emissions equipment.
 
Throckmorton said:
The Ferrari 308GTS had a turbocharged 3.0L V8 that only put out 240hp with the American emissions equipment.
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That was my first Google hit for 1981 Ferrari V8. The 1981 Lamborghini Jalpa's 3.5l V8 made 255hp.

The official top speed of the Jalpa was 234 kilometres per hour (145 mph) but higher speeds have been claimed. 0-60 mph & 0-100 mph figures, according to Classic & Sports Car, were 6.8 seconds & 16 seconds accordingly.[1] The weight with all fluids is 1,507 kilograms (3,322 lb).
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My Forester is faster.

Anyway, I think you're really missing the point...all I thought he was saying is that tech has advanced so much now that 4cyl's aren't what they used to be.
 
Is the STi a typical 4 cylinder of this era, or is it unusual? How many 305hp 4 cylinder street cars are there these days?

We had the SRT4 as well. But are these typical, or outliers?

Just what are we comparing?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Is the STi a typical 4 cylinder of this era, or is it unusual? How many 305hp 4 cylinder street cars are there these days?

We had the SRT4 as well. But are these typical, or outliers?

Just what are we comparing?
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Sounds like we are comparing well tuned boosted 4 bangers from 2011 to emissions choked and environmentally regulated lead free hamstringed oil embargoed low compression V8s of the early 1980s at a point in time when EVERYONE pretty much sucked.
 
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exdeath said:
Sounds like we are comparing well tuned boosted 4 bangers from 2011 to emissions choked and environmentally regulated lead free hamstringed oil embargoed low compression V8s of the early 1980s at a point in time when EVERYONE pretty much sucked.
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/shrug I guess..I didn't start it, but it looks like some people think I did.

exdeath said:
Neither are V8s :awe:
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Obviously...I'm not arguing that, either. 😛
 
LTC8K6 said:
288 GTO, considered a super car, had 400 horses and did mid 4's...

Super cars...
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Good lord the 288 is sexy though, it's like the 308/328 brought to full badassery.

The 959 I think stands still as a legitimate supercar, and it's only a 2.6/2.8L or so.
 
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