vietnam vets protest at kerry's HQ

[Shad0hawK]

linky

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Thats nice.

BTW, spybot catches that site planting something on the hard drive. Probably something from Herr Ashcroft.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Thats nice.

BTW, spybot catches that site planting something on the hard drive. Probably something from Herr Ashcroft.

LOL

probobly komrade kerry keeping track of dissenters, especially those who see past his BS hero act for future "re-education"

 

[BugsBunny1078]

John Kerry is a war hero that is not even questionable. Unless you yourself have a Medal of Honor I wouldn't think you would dare call any Silver Star owner a BS Hero.

 

[Romans828]

I thought he threw his medals away

 

[maluckey]

Kerry a war Hero?? LOL!!! John Forbes Kerry is lucky that a Military War Crimes Tribunal didn't look into his Silver Star a little deeper. Dispatching an unarmed, wounded (by a .50 caliber machine gun at that!!) and likely dying man, is NOT heroic. Placing your crew in jeopardy by going ashore (against common practice and tactics, along with common sense and imagination) and leaving the crew to wait for you to come back, while the boat (and your crew) is in the line of fire, is not heroic. He risked the life of his crew to chase this dying man so that he could kill him. Killing kids and unarmed civilians in a shooting spree is not heroic. He got his medal because he was a FORBES. He got his purple hearts for nothing at all. He was so injured that he never missed a day of duty. You want a hero?

Risked his own life to save others, multiple times in one day

Died for his buddies

Died for his buddy.

Kerry risked the lives of his crew, for personal gain and glory. I would have reported him to my chain of command, hoping that they would remove him before he got someone killed through his recklessness and stupidity.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Kerry a war Hero?? LOL!!! John Forbes Kerry is lucky that a Military War Crimes Tribunal didn't look into his Silver Star a little deeper. Dispatching an unarmed, wounded (by a .50 caliber machine gun at that!!) and likely dying man, is NOT heroic. Placing your crew in jeopardy by going ashore (against common practice and tactics, along with common sense and imagination) and leaving the crew to wait for you to come back, while the boat (and your crew) is in the line of fire, is not heroic. He risked the life of his crew to chase this dying man so that he could kill him. Killing kids and unarmed civilians in a shooting spree is not heroic. He got his medal because he was a FORBES. He got his purple hearts for nothing at all. He was so injured that he never missed a day of duty. You want a hero?

Risked his own life to save others, multiple times in one day

Died for his buddies

Died for his buddy.">http://www.mishalov.com/Bennett_S.html[/S</a>

Kerry risked the lives of his crew, for personal gain and glory. I would have reported him to my chain of command, hoping that they would remove him before he got someone killed through his recklessness and stupidity.

weak

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Kerry a war Hero?? LOL!!! John Forbes Kerry is lucky that a Military War Crimes Tribunal didn't look into his Silver Star a little deeper. Dispatching an unarmed, wounded (by a .50 caliber machine gun at that!!) and likely dying man, is NOT heroic. Placing your crew in jeopardy by going ashore (against common practice and tactics, along with common sense and imagination) and leaving the crew to wait for you to come back, while the boat (and your crew) is in the line of fire, is not heroic. He risked the life of his crew to chase this dying man so that he could kill him. Killing kids and unarmed civilians in a shooting spree is not heroic. He got his medal because he was a FORBES. He got his purple hearts for nothing at all. He was so injured that he never missed a day of duty. You want a hero?

Risked his own life to save others, multiple times in one day

Died for his buddies

Died for his buddy.">http://www.mishalov.com/Bennett_S.html[/S</a>

Kerry risked the lives of his crew, for personal gain and glory. I would have reported him to my chain of command, hoping that they would remove him before he got someone killed through his recklessness and stupidity.

So, what do the people he was with have to say? Maybe if you were there on the ground, you wouldn't have been so quick to report him. You know best though.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Romans828
I thought he threw his medals away

He threw other people's medals away. He set his on the steps and picked them back up when the coast was clear. They are now prominently displayed in his office.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: maluckey Kerry a war Hero?? LOL!!! John Forbes Kerry is lucky that a Military War Crimes Tribunal didn't look into his Silver Star a little deeper. Dispatching an unarmed, wounded (by a .50 caliber machine gun at that!!) and likely dying man, is NOT heroic. Placing your crew in jeopardy by going ashore (against common practice and tactics, along with common sense and imagination) and leaving the crew to wait for you to come back, while the boat (and your crew) is in the line of fire, is not heroic. He risked the life of his crew to chase this dying man so that he could kill him. Killing kids and unarmed civilians in a shooting spree is not heroic. He got his medal because he was a FORBES. He got his purple hearts for nothing at all. He was so injured that he never missed a day of duty. You want a hero? Risked his own life to save others, multiple times in one day Died for his buddies Died for his buddy." target=new>http://www.mishalov.com/Bennett_S.html[/S</A> Kerry risked the lives of his crew, for personal gain and glory. I would have reported him to my chain of command, hoping that they would remove him before he got someone killed through his recklessness and stupidity.

So, what do the people he was with have to say? Maybe if you were there on the ground, you wouldn't have been so quick to report him. You know best though.

Snopes have a story from one of the other guys on the boat, and more details on the whole thing here

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
John Kerry is a war hero that is not even questionable. Unless you yourself have a Medal of Honor I wouldn't think you would dare call any Silver Star owner a BS Hero.

i do not have a MOH and for that matter neither does kerry.

as for myself and most other veterans who received relative scratches we did not apply for medals when other men with far more serious wounds deserved them much more.

kerry himself describes how light his wounds were, 2 of which did not even result in loss of duty the most severe of which(and the only one truly deserving of any sort of recognition in the eyes most of his fellow soldiers) only resulted in 2 days lost duty.

your "hero" is not as brave in combat or as decorated or served in combat as much benedict arnold was, but like arnold, is considered a traitor by many. hanoi john will never be forgiven for stabbing his fellow soldiers in the back.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
John Kerry is a war hero that is not even questionable. Unless you yourself have a Medal of Honor I wouldn't think you would dare call any Silver Star owner a BS Hero.

i do not have a MOH and for that matter neither does kerry.

as for myself and most other veterans who received relative scratches we did not apply for medals when other men with far more serious wounds deserved them much more.

kerry himself describes how light his wounds were, 2 of which did not even result in loss of duty the most severe of which(and the only one truly deserving of any sort of recognition in the eyes most of his fellow soldiers) only resulted in 2 days lost duty.

your "hero" is not as brave in combat or as decorated or served in combat as much benedict arnold was, but like arnold, is considered a traitor by many. hanoi john will never be forgiven for stabbing his fellow soldiers in the back.

Incidents like this were more common than most people think It seems to me that if this happened things Kerry talked about probably weren't that far from the truth. Keep in mind he never said it was the norm!

 

[0roo0roo]

the gunboats he served with had a 75% casualty rate. i think he was under fire quite a bit, its not even a question, they were sent ahead to flush out the enemy. as for him running after a guy and shooting him, the guy was armed with a b-40, a rocket launcher capable of taking out a tank, ...let alone an aluminum skiff boat... under fire from the banks, do you make sure you take out the guy with the launcher? or do you try to pick off the gunmen on the other shore first

the fact that he didn't suffer grevious wounds was not due to him shying away from the face of danger. thats well documented. so either he was incredibly lucky, or effective.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

if kerry was benidict arnold, there are no words to describe AWOL bush. the turd of a man you apparently support.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I saw things happen and I have seen pictures that others had taken that they either saw happen or participated in.
Some were quite chilling, some bizarre.

We weren't Saints, and neither were they.

Let you in on a little secret - an abused prisoner can't testify against you in a court of law if he's dead.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the gunboats he served with had a 75% casualty rate. i think he was under fire quite a bit, its not even a question, they were sent ahead to flush out the enemy. as for him running after a guy and shooting him, the guy was armed with a b-40, a rocket launcher capable of taking out a tank, ...let alone an aluminum skiff boat... under fire from the banks, do you make sure you take out the guy with the launcher? or do you try to pick off the gunmen on the other shore first

the fact that he didn't suffer grevious wounds was not due to him shying away from the face of danger. thats well documented. so either he was incredibly lucky, or effective.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

if kerry was benidict arnold, there are no words to describe AWOL bush. the turd of a man you apparently support.

ROFL! how was bush "awol"? he was absent WITH leave..which is not a crime according to the UCMJ, at least bush did not found an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war.

also kerry was only in a hot zone 4 MONTHS..benedict arnold was in combat for 5 YEARS. your right there is no comparision, benedict arnold is was far braver and was injured far worse.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the gunboats he served with had a 75% casualty rate. i think he was under fire quite a bit, its not even a question, they were sent ahead to flush out the enemy. as for him running after a guy and shooting him, the guy was armed with a b-40, a rocket launcher capable of taking out a tank, ...let alone an aluminum skiff boat... under fire from the banks, do you make sure you take out the guy with the launcher? or do you try to pick off the gunmen on the other shore first

the fact that he didn't suffer grevious wounds was not due to him shying away from the face of danger. thats well documented. so either he was incredibly lucky, or effective.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

if kerry was benidict arnold, there are no words to describe AWOL bush. the turd of a man you apparently support.

ROFL! how was bush "awol"? he was absent WITH leave..which is not a crime according to the UCMJ, at least bush did not found an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war.

also kerry was only in a hot zone 4 MONTHS..benedict arnold was in combat for 5 YEARS. your right there is no comparision, benedict arnold is was far braver and was injured far worse.

But like the Republicans/Democrats of today he sold his soul for money.

 

[0roo0roo]

also kerry was only in a hot zone 4 MONTHS..benedict arnold was in combat for 5 YEARS. your right there is no comparision, benedict arnold is was far braver and was injured far worse.

are you daft? he was in the HOTTEST zone for 4 months. under operation Sealord where swift boats were sent ahead to flush out the enemy and which had 75% casualty rates. does that mean he shipped over straight into that hottest zone? no u idiot, he had been there for atleast 2 years.

still by comparison, chicken hawk bush whom you defend was still in texas neglecting his ill deserved position in the guard, ducking all the action. and yet you have the gall to make light of 4 months of heavy fighting in a free fire zone, sitting in an unarmored aluminum boat past the front lines.


and just remember who created this veterans group against kerry, Sampley. who has a nice track record. he helped bush smear McCain during 2000. another man you'd probably compare to benidict arnold while defending your turd.



"Sampley ... accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.

In 1992, Sampley wrote a long article that portrayed McCain as a "Manchurian candidate," who had betrayed America to the North Vietnamese and then enlisted as a secret Communist agent. But it wasn't until seven years later that the celebrated Navy pilot and ex-POW found out how much damage such smears could inflict. After McCain declared his presidential candidacy in 1999, Sampley revived the "Manchurian candidate" smear as a convenient weapon for the Senator's political enemies. Some of them, including the prominent conservative Paul Weyrich and Richard Mellon Scaife's Newsmax Web site, didn't hesitate to pick up the slimy stuff generated by Sampley. The fringe assault on McCain, amplified by the likes of Weyrich and talk radio, caused grave injury to his campaign during the pivotal South Carolina primary.

Insinuations of treason are being revived for deployment against Kerry, who happens to be a close friend of McCain (Kerry defended McCain against Sampley, denouncing him as a "stupid ass" in print). The simplest way to tar Kerry as an antiwar extremist -- and indict him for unpatriotic betrayal in the eyes of many vets -- is to pair him with "Hanoi Jane" Fonda. On Monday, Rush Limbaugh published a photograph of Fonda at what appears to be an antiwar rally, under the headline "John Kerry With Hanoi Jane in September, 1970." And indeed, a blurry face about two rows behind her does resemble the young Kerry.

But Limbaugh, like so many who attack Kerry for working with Fonda against the war, distorts reality. Fonda didn't travel to Hanoi until August 1972. Obviously that was two years after the September 1970 rally and, more important, a year after she joined demonstrations led by Kerry and his fellow vets in Vietnam Veterans Against the War. By the time Fonda visited Hanoi, Kerry was running for Congress in Boston. There's no evidence that he worked with Fonda after her notorious trip. (If Monday's rant indicates Limbaugh's state of mind, he is absolutely unhinged by the prospect of renewed debate over Vietnam. Might his hysteria have anything to do with his own embarrassing escape from the draft?) http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/02/10/kerry_smear/

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Romans828
I thought he threw his medals away

He threw other people's medals away. He set his on the steps and picked them back up when the coast was clear. They are now prominently displayed in his office.

So Kerry the turd didn't have the brass to throw his own medals then...so perhaps he really didn't believe in what he was doing...maybe everything he did was to get into power.

Even if he did throw his own medals...in Congress it wouldn't be hard to get new ones.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Please, the debate of what the men did 34 years ago is pretty tired.
They are both different people than those young men.

 

[maluckey]

Really? That seems to be all that Kerry and his supporters talk about. I haven't seen much about how he will do anything to change anything, other than cut back on ALL military and intelligence spending, to cover other failing programs that need to be overhauled.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Please, the debate of what the men did 34 years ago is pretty tired.
They are both different people than those young men.

I agree. Problem is, no one else will actually let this stuff go.