Question [Videocardz] 1660 Super and 1650 Super final specs

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER and GTX 1650 SUPER final specifications | VideoCardz.com

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The 1650 Super in particular is a decent improvement over the regular 1650 - 1280 shaders instead of 896 and GDDR6 instead of GDDR5... although the TDP has now gone up to 100W instead of 75.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If $230 is way too much, at least wait 30 days to see how the RX 5500 does. May be cheaper and better.

Meh I wouldn't expect it to be close with how it's marketed by AMD.

 

[mohit9206]

1660 Super is a nice card i gotta admit, its a 1660ti for 50 less, can't really argue with that given that AMD doesn't have anything interesting to offer at that price.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm liking myself a GTX 1660 Super MSI Ventus OC model. That's the model that I got for my GTX 1660 ti, I expect the 1660 Super to be essentially identical to those.

Pretty-much silent, even mining, and runs fairly cool. Altogether, a solid card, and they tend to be MSRP.

Edit: Oh yes, they both (1660S and 1660ti) include a nice metal back-plate too.

 

[tajoh111]

I agree with both the "Will this be faster than a $140 RX 570 card", and the above. If this is priced much above $150-160, I think that it will be largely DOA, with only 4GB of VRAM (GDDR6 notwithstanding).

It might be a decent card for mining with, well, possibly until ProgPow takes over for ETH PoW algo. Current algo is memory-intensive, and not so shader-intensive, so anything with GDDR6 and a low price would be good for it.

I'm curious why they went with GTX 1650 Super, rather than Ti? Or is there going to be both cards, with the "Super" variants with GDDR6, and a 1650 ti variant with GDDR5 and more shaders (1400?)?

I disagree about the memory. You have to remember one of the reasons why the RX 570 is priced so low is because it is largely priced to be near firesale(not much above cost) due to the need to clear them out due to the excessive inventory related to over production due to mining.

This means it has excessive value that is impractical for AMD to price their products against. Same for Nvidia. It sets a unrealistic expectation for pricing which both companies are not interested in pricing against for new products.

More importantly, both companies with their product line have products that are 350-400 dollars with 8gb of memory. One of the ways graphic card makers segment the market is having their lower end segment have less memory.

An 150 dollar 8gb of expensive gddr6 to the public consumer market reduces the value proposition of the rx 5700/5700xt, GTX 1660/1660ti rtx and the 2060/2070 supers. This leads to cannibalization of sales as the lower margin sales of the lower end line eat into the sale of the line above it.

With the slow but surely demise of the lowest end discrete graphics nearing the $100 dollar mark due to APU's, entry level discrete are getting more expensive as graphic companies try to push up their ASP to make up for the loss in volume. With the large die size(gu116) or 7nm cost, I think the rx 5500 is likely to cost 180 dollars for the 4gb version, $220 for the 8gb version with the 5500xt being $250+. AMD graphic segment isn't really interested in being the value company anymore as initial before launch Navi pricing shows. Nvidia pricing for their products will be done based on what they expect from AMD and what they believe is the maximum they can charge without too much loss in volume(profit maximization).

 

[Mopetar]

I disagree about the memory. You have to remember one of the reasons why the RX 570 is priced so low is because it is largely priced to be near firesale(not much above cost) due to the need to clear them out due to the excessive inventory related to over production due to mining.

The 570 at $140 isn't as much of a deal as people seem to think. Before the mining boom really took off you could get a 470 for $130 so it only seems like a good buy because the prices became so distorted. And here we are 2 years later paying more for something on clearance.

 

[Ranulf]

An 150 dollar 8gb of expensive gddr6 to the public consumer market reduces the value proposition of the rx 5700/5700xt, GTX 1660/1660ti rtx and the 2060/2070 supers. This leads to cannibalization of sales as the lower margin sales of the lower end line eat into the sale of the line above it.

The problem both companies have is the price/perf ratio is horrible at those higher margin cards. The juice is not worth the squeeze and thus people are going to buy a 570/580 at "cheap" prices on a 2-3 year old card (or used cards, especially pascal). The value proposition on almost any new card for the last year has been highly dubious. The new 1660 super pretty much proves that all of the new entry-low mid range cards are bandwidth starved to justify $350+ for the new mid-range cards. At least the Navi 5700 is starting at $350 instead of $400 for a 2060 Super chip that is still a cut down 2070 instead of the real 2070. The rtx 2060 (also a 192bit bus like 1660 cards) is clearly $75-100 overpriced. Navi 5700 is Polaris replacement and thus overpriced as well. The 1660ti is a mere 8 months old and has gotten effectively a $50-75 price cut.

The only justifcation these companies have is that these new entry level range cards masquerading as mid range cards can sort of run games at 1440p. But the 1660 and likely soon 5500 are really top end 1080p cards and likely won't last long there let alone 1440p. Look at the gtx 960. That card was replaced after 1.5 years with the 1060. At least the 960 topped out at $230 or so for 4gb variants. No one is going to want to buy new $250-350 1080p or even 1440p cards every two years. The chip makers can dream I suppose. Much like Intel's pricing on the i7 and i9.

I note that several reviewers this go round seem to not be emphasizing 1440p test results as much. Maybe thats due to competition from Navi. I wonder.

 

[tajoh111]

The 570 at $140 isn't as much of a deal as people seem to think. Before the mining boom really took off you could get a 470 for $130 so it only seems like a good buy because the prices became so distorted. And here we are 2 years later paying more for something on clearance.

One of the reasons why the RX 470 got the rebrand/refresh was to raise pricing of series as they were selling near cost.

Add the 50 dollars for 8gb of gddr5, board partner margin, reseller and distributer margin, shipping logistics, board parts and there just isn't much profit if any at 140 dollars that early into the product lifecycle.

These cards were briefly experiencing an oversupply since the mining market hit early, then quickly cooled in which AMD had already ramped up production leaving an oversupply of RX 470 on the market. In addition, Nvidia was able to saturate the market during this mining spike which left the amount of potential buyers in the $200 low. The purpose of the refresh was not only to refresh the line itself but refresh pricing closer to the MSRP of the rx 470/480 to bring back the cards to much more sustainable margins.

Think about how expensive any 230 mm2 from AMD card was even a year from launch and you will realize that there has not been any that cheap, particularly when we include inflation. Combine this with die cost being at an all time high and you will realize those $140 dollar rx 470 were not making AMD any money.

Typically refreshes sell for cheaper than their older counterparts MSRP but since Polaris even at the beginning was a lower margin product than typical if we take into account the 14nm finfet cost(cost per transistor did not drop much as cost per mm of die nearly doubled), that 40-60 dollar price drop was all the margin of the rx 470.

 

[AtenRa]

GTX 1660 SUPER Benchmarks vs RX 590, RX 5700 and RTX 2060

 

[mohit9206]

I have full confidence in AMD that they will screw up the launch of RX5500 series in my country going by their track record so i see the 1660 Super being the best card in its range for the foreseeable future. There's the 4gb 570 for someone wants to save some money though.