[Videocardz] 1660 Details

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AtenRa

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Determined to find a way to make the card look bad aren't you? Except for a single outlier, the 1050 Ti on newegg ranges from 180.00 to well over 200.00. If the 1660 sells at 220.00, it will have 50% more performance at essentially the same price. Seems like a fine card to me.
We had 50% more performance than GTX 1050Ti at the same or even lower price (if we count the game bundle) with the RX 570/580 for months now.

Also, GTX 1660 is only 10-20% faster than GTX1060 that was released in August of 2016 with a MSRP of $249, more than 2.5 years ago.
GTX1660 should have been priced as a GTX1050/Ti replacement.
 

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We had 50% more performance than GTX 1050Ti at the same or even lower price (if we count the game bundle) with the RX 570/580 for months now.

Also, GTX 1660 is only 10-20% faster than GTX1060 that was released in August of 2016 with a MSRP of $249, more than 2.5 years ago.
GTX1660 should have been priced as a GTX1050/Ti replacement.
At least it is not an overclocked, power hungry rebrand like the 590.
 

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So the 1660 is about equivalent to a OC 580/590, I guess a 1660Ti is about equivalent to a Fury air? From what I have seen, unfortunately people don't include the Fury air as much in reviews anymore, and it is such a solid used buy. Around $180 for similar performance to a 1660Ti (I assume?) I know they are close to 1070 performance, but not quite.
 

happy medium

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So the 1660 is about equivalent to a OC 580/590, I guess a 1660Ti is about equivalent to a Fury air? From what I have seen, unfortunately people don't include the Fury air as much in reviews anymore, and it is such a solid used buy. Around $180 for similar performance to a 1660Ti (I assume?) I know they are close to 1070 performance, but not quite.
The gtx1660 is 9% faster than a 590.
I dont think you can get 9% more performance from a 590 which is basically a overclocked 580.
Also so far from reviews it seems the gtx1660 can overclock past 1660ti/ gtx1070 performance, which is 21% faster than a 590.
So 590 overclocked vs a 1660 overclocked, the 1660 is at least 15% faster.

1660 is 9% faster, uses have the power, gives off half the heat , and overclocks 2x better for the same price as a 590.
The 590 needs a price cut down to $190 to compete.

The fury air is about equal to a 590, uses more power, gives off more heat and with 4gb of memory, that's not a wise choice.
Its also 20% slower than a 1660ti/ gtx1070.
 
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tajoh111

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We had 50% more performance than GTX 1050Ti at the same or even lower price (if we count the game bundle) with the RX 570/580 for months now.

Also, GTX 1660 is only 10-20% faster than GTX1060 that was released in August of 2016 with a MSRP of $249, more than 2.5 years ago.
GTX1660 should have been priced as a GTX1050/Ti replacement.
Ridiculous. The gtx 1660 ti is 137% faster than a 1050 and about 104% faster than a gtx 1050 ti. This makes its performance inline with the difference between a GTX 950 to GTX 1060 transition looking at techpowerup. As a result the name makes sense.

What does not make sense is the RX590 price and name. When have rebrands and refreshes come with a higher price tag, particularly after the third time. This card should have been downgraded to reflect the rebrand like the 7870 to 270x or 7970 to 280x.

The RX590 is an abomination when it comes to naming because the name indicates larger newer silicon. For example the 290x and 280x. It also comes with a price premium compared to the rx580.

The 1660 justifies it price and name because it uses newer larger silicon(40% larger), is based on a new architecture and has way too big of a performance advantage over the 1050/1050 ti series. The whole this card should be a 1050 series series is AMD viral marketing team throwing rocks from a glass house.

Considering the 1660/1660ti have caused the market to move forward with pricecuts and increases in price to performance, it deserves some praise. The RX590 was the first time we saw regression in price/performance using a rebrand. Even RTX series card remain static vs the last generation if we compare msrp to MSRP.
 

AtenRa

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Ridiculous. The gtx 1660 ti is 137% faster than a 1050 and about 104% faster than a gtx 1050 ti. This makes its performance inline with the difference between a GTX 950 to GTX 1060 transition looking at techpowerup. As a result the name makes sense.
Nobody talked about the GTX1660Ti, my response was about the GTX 1660 giving 50% more performance than the GTX1050Ti at the same price. And yes we had 50% more performance than the GTX1050/Ti at the same or lower price for months now with the RX 570 and RX 580. What is ridiculous is that people forgetting we had the RX 570 4GB + 2 Games from $150 and the RX 580 + 2 Games from $180 for months but only now when the GTX1660 comes at $220 its the second coming of Jesus.

The 1660 justifies it price and name because it uses newer larger silicon(40% larger), is based on a new architecture and has way too big of a performance advantage over the 1050/1050 ti series. The whole this card should be a 1050 series series is AMD viral marketing team throwing rocks from a glass house.
Its funny how people justify the increase in price per segment because of the larger die when we didnt have any increase of prices in the past ( example GTX 9xx vs previous Gen) and at the same time throw the ball to AMD viral marketing for stating the obvious which is that the GTX1660/Ti should have been priced at the GTX 1050/Ti price points.

ps. Curiously nobody said anything about NVIDIAs viral marketing when most people here, including me, were saying that Radeon Vii price should have been lower.

Considering the 1660/1660ti have caused the market to move forward with pricecuts and increases in price to performance, it deserves some praise. The RX590 was the first time we saw regression in price/performance using a rebrand. Even RTX series card remain static vs the last generation if we compare msrp to MSRP.
Everyone forgets that RX 590 came with a 3x $60 ($180) game bundle + 20% higher performance at the same price GTX1060 was selling at the time. But nooooo, lets only compare the MSRPs.
 
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The RX590 is an abomination when it comes to naming because the name indicates larger newer silicon. For example the 290x and 280x. It also comes with a price premium compared to the rx580.
Funny thing is rx590 still cost same in some countries like when it launched.Here in czech republic rx590 still cost 270euro.Its really insane how overpriced AMD cards are here.GTX1660 is 50euro cheaper than rx590.
And same with vega 56 cheapest for 380uero.AMD cards are pretty much dead here.No1 buys them.
 

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1660 is a very nice card. Great upgrade for 760/960 users. Would have been nice with a free game but you can't ask for too much considering the lack of competition.
 

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Everyone forgets that RX 590 came with a 3x $60 ($180) game bundle + 20% higher performance at the same price GTX1060 was selling at the time. But nooooo, lets only compare the MSRPs.
The notion that the card buyer would like and value all the bundled games at $60 a piece, or otherwise be able to sell the games at anything remotely close to $60 a piece, is an utterly ridiculous assumption.
 
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GTX 1660 giving 50% more performance than the GTX1050Ti at the same price.
more like 120% more performance.
The gtx 1660 has 2gb more vram and is more than 2x faster than a 1050ti and cost 30% more.
the gtx 1650 4gb will be priced the same as a gtx1050ti and be 2x faster.
 
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Funny thing is rx590 still cost same in some countries like when it launched.Here in czech republic rx590 still cost 270euro.Its really insane how overpriced AMD cards are here.GTX1660 is 50euro cheaper than rx590.
And same with vega 56 cheapest for 380uero.AMD cards are pretty much dead here.No1 buys them.
They probably are still cards from the original shipment so the retailer doesn’t want to mark them down and they won’t get new ones shipped at the discounted prices so they’re stuck.

How much tax would you have to pay to import from somewhere with lower prices?
 

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Nobody talked about the GTX1660Ti, my response was about the GTX 1660 giving 50% more performance than the GTX1050Ti at the same price. And yes we had 50% more performance than the GTX1050/Ti at the same or lower price for months now with the RX 570 and RX 580. What is ridiculous is that people forgetting we had the RX 570 4GB + 2 Games from $150 and the RX 580 + 2 Games from $180 for months but only now when the GTX1660 comes at $220 its the second coming of Jesus.



Its funny how people justify the increase in price per segment because of the larger die when we didnt have any increase of prices in the past ( example GTX 9xx vs previous Gen) and at the same time throw the ball to AMD viral marketing for stating the obvious which is that the GTX1660/Ti should have been priced at the GTX 1050/Ti price points.

ps. Curiously nobody said anything about NVIDIAs viral marketing when most people here, including me, were saying that Radeon Vii price should have been lower.



Everyone forgets that RX 590 came with a 3x $60 ($180) game bundle + 20% higher performance at the same price GTX1060 was selling at the time. But nooooo, lets only compare the MSRPs.
I meant to say GTX 1660, not ti.



104% faster than a GTX 1050 ti and 137% faster than a gtx 1050(the above chart doesn't have the 1050 but if you look at the gtx 1050 review, the gtx 1050 ti is 20% faster).



Now look at the gtx 1060. Look at the performance difference between the gtx 1060 and 950.

127%.

Nothing about the performance is 50 series about this generation. Just because Nvidia spent more money to develop more silicon to specifically target the 1070 series does not mean anything below this should be a 1050 or lower. The 1070 series has been one of Nvidia's best sellers so it should be no surprise Nvidia would make a chip specifically for this segment. Looking at the performance difference between the RTX 2070 and 2080, it clear that this silicon was developed specifically for the 70 series not the 60 series.

The number 1 complaint about the RTX series is that it is expensive doesn't move price to performance forward and people are forced to pay an RTX tax..Guess what GT116 is for?

It's a turing series without the RTX tax. Dies moderately larger without the tensor cores or RT hardware leading to traditional performance more inline what you would expect with a new generation. Considering the gain from this series is pure architecture without the node shrink, they are really normal.

Looking at the 50 series specifically, these cards consist of cards with the following characteristics, 75watt tdp, 128bit buses and dies around 130mm. It simply stupid to think this should be a 50 series.

It's more like a 10% difference between the GTX 1060 and rx590 as seen in the chart above.

You talk about this game bundle but you know AMD does not remotely retail pricing for these. And secondly, you know AMD didn't have to pay for with this series but Nvidia did. R and D. R and D represents 40% of the cost of a videocard if we compared cost of good sold and R and D. This is literally billions of dollars. By packing some games in, it's a disguise that your paid more money for the 2nd refresh of this card. Again nothing you said justifies the name change to the rx590.

Pure price is more important because it causes the market to move, not game bundles. This game bundle kept pricing elevated. Considering AMD cut the pricing of their rx 580/590 shortly after the release of these cards, it obvious that increasing price to performance rather than games bundles is more helpful to consumers.
 
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The gtx1660 is 9% faster than a 590.
I dont think you can get 9% more performance from a 590 which is basically a overclocked 580.
Also so far from reviews it seems the gtx1660 can overclock past 1660ti/ gtx1070 performance, which is 21% faster than a 590.
So 590 overclocked vs a 1660 overclocked, the 1660 is at least 15% faster.

1660 is 9% faster, uses have the power, gives off half the heat , and overclocks 2x better for the same price as a 590.
The 590 needs a price cut down to $190 to compete.

The fury air is about equal to a 590, uses more power, gives off more heat and with 4gb of memory, that's not a wise choice.
Its also 20% slower than a 1660ti/ gtx1070.
I am pretty sure the Fury's are faster than 590s. At least from what I have seen. Closer to the 1070.
 

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