[ Video] Winter soldier

[Vich]

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Winter Soldier Video

 

[Steeplerot]

It's good to see their are patriots out there who are courageous enough to stand up to the tyranny of the goverment. I will not vote for Kerry nor Bush but Kerry is a brave man.
BTW that soundtrack was terrible!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
It's good to see their are patriots out there who are courageous enough to stand up to the tyranny of the goverment. I will not vote for Kerry nor Bush but Kerry is a brave man.
BTW that soundtrack was terrible!

Funny how people see things differently. You see a patriot and I see a traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I also doubt the validity of Ferry's wounds. I think the world would be a better place if he had passed on, a hero, in VietNam.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: steeplerot
It's good to see their are patriots out there who are courageous enough to stand up to the tyranny of the goverment. I will not vote for Kerry nor Bush but Kerry is a brave man.
BTW that soundtrack was terrible!

Funny how people see things differently. You see a patriot and I see a traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I also doubt the validity of Ferry's wounds. I think the world would be a better place if he had passed on, a hero, in VietNam.

MANY people think the world would have been a much better place had Bush died of a Cocaine Overdose or died in a drunk driving accident.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
BTW that soundtrack was terrible!

why do you say that?

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

A bunch of guilt by association nonsense.

 

[Steeplerot]

Credence Clearwater Revival is not my cup of tea sounds like boring country music on top of bad 70's cock-rock IMO

 

[dahunan]

Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

This is what Kerry did in Vietnam

On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.

Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.

He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.

Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

AND you can talk sh!t about that? I guess he was just a pussy who looked like a frechman.. right?

This is what Bush would have been doing
http://garywolff.com/bush/cheerleader.jpg

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Credence Clearwater Revival is not my cup of tea sounds like boring country music on top of bad 70's cock-rock IMO

I enjoyed the Metallica, and CCR isn't all that bad from time to time in small doses

CkG

 

[ThePresence]

Sounds like Call of the Ktulu to me.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

This is what Kerry did in Vietnam

On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.

Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.

He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.

Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

AND you can talk sh!t about that? I guess he was just a pussy who looked like a frechman.. right?

This is what Bush would have been doing
http://garywolff.com/bush/cheerleader.jpg

You dont believe Bush served his time, I dont believe ferry (pronounced fairy) was a hero.

AND you can talk sh!t about that?

I guess it's the libbies right to talk trash on absolutely everything in the world? Someone says something about about thier "hero" and the indignation starts.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

Thats the Deal, Bush DIDNT do half the Crap in that era that Kerry did.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

This is what Kerry did in Vietnam

On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.

Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.

He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.

Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

AND you can talk sh!t about that? I guess he was just a pussy who looked like a frechman.. right?

This is what Bush would have been doing
http://garywolff.com/bush/cheerleader.jpg

You dont believe Bush served his time, I dont believe ferry (pronounced fairy) was a hero.

AND you can talk sh!t about that?

I guess it's the libbies right to talk trash on absolutely everything in the world? Someone says something about about thier "hero" and the indignation starts.

P.S. Everyone who dislikes Geroge Bush is not a libbie

Kerry was more of a hero than Bushy was -- na na nuh na na

Honestly, I still cannot understand how you can look at Kerry's Military record and cry foul.. to each his own.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.



If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

Thats the Deal, Bush DIDNT do half the Crap in that era that Kerry did.

And there it is. Instead of hating Bush I merely dislike him.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.

If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

This is what Kerry did in Vietnam

On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.

Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.

He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.

Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

AND you can talk sh!t about that? I guess he was just a pussy who looked like a frechman.. right?

This is what Bush would have been doing
http://garywolff.com/bush/cheerleader.jpg

You dont believe Bush served his time, I dont believe ferry (pronounced fairy) was a hero.

AND you can talk sh!t about that?

I guess it's the libbies right to talk trash on absolutely everything in the world? Someone says something about about thier "hero" and the indignation starts.

P.S. Everyone who dislikes Geroge Bush is not a libbie

Kerry was more of a hero than Bushy was -- na na nuh na na

Honestly, I still cannot understand how you can look at Kerry's Military record and cry foul.. to each his own.

hell If it Was Dwight D Eisenhower Running against Bush, They would paint him as a traiter too.
" He wussed out of combat because he was a general. What an elitist. "

 

[Vich]

Yeah you guys are right GWB never did anything he never learned how to land a jet on a carrier either.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Isn't it incredible.. Republicans can try to trash a War Hero.. YET their own President used his Fathers influence to get into the National Guard and HIDE AWAY and become an alcoholic (even though his test scores were FAILING)...

So you want me to fell sorry for the little JFK wannabe because his family didnt have enough power and the kennedys didnt like him enough to keep him out? Kerry thought VietNam was a stepping stone on his way into politics only he couldnt handle it and found a technicality to get out.



If Bush had done half the crap ferry had done Id hate his a** too.

This is what Kerry did in Vietnam

On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.



Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.



He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.



Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.

AND you can talk sh!t about that? I guess he was just a pussy who looked like a frechman.. right?



This is what Bush would have been doing

http://garywolff.com/bush/cheerleader.jpg

You dont believe Bush served his time, I dont believe ferry (pronounced fairy) was a hero.

AND you can talk sh!t about that?

I guess it's the libbies right to talk trash on absolutely everything in the world? Someone says something about about thier "hero" and the indignation starts.

P.S. Everyone who dislikes Geroge Bush is not a libbie



Kerry was more of a hero than Bushy was -- na na nuh na na



Honestly, I still cannot understand how you can look at Kerry's Military record and cry foul.. to each his own.

hell If it Was Dwight D Eisenhower Running against Bush, They would paint him as a traiter too.

" He wussed out of combat because he was a general. What an elitist. "

See, thats where your wrong. I actually liked Lieberman. He seems like a very honorable man.

 

[maluckey]

B.G. Burkett, "Stolen Valor".

A good read.

On another note. Don't beleive what you read in the citations for bravery. After all, former Senator Bob Kerrey got a Bronze Star for mudering 21 unarmed women and children. He did not return the medal, even when under investigation. He even admitted that all were unarmed, and that he gave the command to attack. He admitted that they found no weapons at all. He never reported this "mistake", which is what he was supposed to do according to regulations. He never came clean until he was accused of the mishandling the incident. One member of his unit, and a civilain survivor actually stated that Kerrey knew beforehand that they were unarmed, and ordered the attack anyways for the simple fact that the hooch was in a "free fire" zone. Whether or not he actually knew beforehand, or after the fact, he willingly accepted accepted a medal for murder. This whole incident has now gone away, but if it was an accident, it should have been reported. If it was intentional, he should have been tried for war-crimes. Either way, the medal should have been refused, and he should have come clean about the incident as a good soldier should. At what point Kerrey became a "bad seed" isn't clear, but after this incident is was concrete.

From CNN:

The citation for that medal reads: "The net result of his patrol was twenty-one Viet Cong killed, two hootches destroyed and two enemy weapons captured"

Let me recap. No weapons were found, and all were women and children......This was admitted by Kerrey, thirty years post facto.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: maluckey
B.G. Burkett, "Stolen Valor".



A good read.



On another note. Don't beleive what you read in the citations for bravery. After all, former Senator Bob Kerrey got a Bronze Star for mudering 21 unarmed women and children. He did not return the medal, even when under investigation. He even admitted that all were unarmed, and that he gave the command to attack. He admitted that they found no weapons at all. He never reported this "mistake", which is what he was supposed to do according to regulations. He never came clean until he was accused of the mishandling the incident. One member of his unit, and a civilain survivor actually stated that Kerrey knew beforehand that they were unarmed, and ordered the attack anyways for the simple fact that the hooch was in a "free fire" zone. Whether or not he actually knew beforehand, or after the fact, he willingly accepted accepted a medal for murder. This whole incident has now gone away, but if it was an accident, it should have been reported. If it was intentional, he should have been tried for war-crimes. Either way, the medal should have been refused, and he should have come clean about the incident as a good soldier should. At what point Kerrey became a "bad seed" isn't clear, but after this incident is was concrete.



From CNN:

The citation for that medal reads: "The net result of his patrol was twenty-one Viet Cong killed, two hootches destroyed and two enemy weapons captured"

Let me recap. No weapons were found, and all were women and children......This was admitted by Kerrey, thirty years post facto.

Yeah...a good read...pfffft.

Burkett's a LIAR!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/4/234750.shtml

"He [Kerry] never got a day of treatment, he never spent a day in a medical facility," Burkett said. "These were all self-reported wounds, which you're going to hear from some swift boat guys in the future as to the nature of those wounds."

Oh? Never got treatment, eh?

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/medical.html

?3 December 1968, U.S. Naval Support Facility Cam Rahn Bay RVN FPO. Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. Shrapnel removed and appl bacitracin dressing. Ret To Duty.?

Mr. Kerry sustained a shrapnel injury in his left arm above his elbow. He was treated at the Cam Ranh Bay US naval support facility where the shrapnel was removed and the wound was treated with a topical Bacitracin antibiotic dressing. He was returned to duty following his treatment.

20 February 1969, ?Wounded by piece of B-40 shrapnel today while on operation, in portion of left thigh.?

Mr. Kerry sustained an injury when he was wounded by a piece of B- 40 shrapnel while on operation. He was noted to have a wound of entry on the back of his left thigh and the wound was debrided and treated with the application of a topical dressing. An x-ray confirmed the shrapnel location but a decision was made to leave the shrapnel in place, as successful removal would have necessitated an extensive wider exposure and block excision of the wound. The course of conservative treatment was successful and a wound infection did not develop. The wound was ultimately closed with sutures following debridement of necrotic tissue.

13 March 1969, 1900 hours, United States Coast Guard Cutter Spencer. ?John Kerry, LTJG, USNR- In firefight approx 3 hours ago, pt was a) thrown against bulkhead sustaining injury (contusion) to R forearm. b) sustained small piece of shrapnel in L upper buttock.?

Mr. Kerry was treated for injuries sustained when he was thrown against a bulkhead resulting in a contusion to his right forearm, as well as a shrapnel injury in his left upper buttock. His exam at that time revealed localized bruising of his right medial forearm and of his buttock from the shrapnel with some localized bruising. An x-ray of his forearm did not reveal evidence of fracture. He was treated with a tetanus shot, topical dressing and an ace bandage and advised to apply warm soaks to his right forearm.

And:
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Personnel_Casualty_Report.pdf

 

[C130Gunship]

Well dahunan since you feel so strongly about GWB'S health, I have did you a favor and forwarded
your feelings to the U.S. Sercret Service! Hope they drag your ass out in the middle of the night and beat the crap out of you. It's people like you who give a whole new meaning to the idea " Planned Parent Hood" !!!!!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: C130Gunship
Well dahunan since you feel so strongly about GWB'S health, I have did you a favor and forwarded
your feelings to the U.S. Sercret Service! Hope they drag your ass out in the middle of the night and beat the crap out of you. It's people like you who give a whole new meaning to the idea " Planned Parent Hood" !!!!!

waaaah...mommy...the bad man said a bad thing about Bush....waaaaah


Who were you before the ban?

 

[C130Gunship]

Conjur, I said nothing to you. If you don't like me jumping that asshat dahunan for his remarks about GWB tough crap!!! I really don't give a ratsass what think!!!!!!!!

 

[conjur]

What did he say? He didn't threaten Bush in any way, shape or form. If you're referring to his first post in this thread (the only one I could imagine you'd be upset with), then what's wrong with telling what is probably the truth? That there are people out there who think the world would be better off had Bush been killed due to his own mistakes 30-35 years ago?