Video shows man shot by New Jersey police raising his hands

[DucatiMonster696]

He wasn't "terrified" he completely lost his shit. If he isn't able to refrain from losing his damned mind during a situation like that he has no business putting himself in positions like that. I've seen a metric fuckload of videos of soldiers under actual enemy fire who have kept better cool than that, if some 19 year old kid can keep cool while people are actively shooting at him with machine guns I would expect a trained and experienced officer of the law could keep his cool when not being shot at.

They are supposed to deescalate, that cop escalated the fuck out of that situation. As I said, I don't know if that makes him a murder, he could have legitimately feared for his life but it does make him incapable of carrying a gun for a living. If you go absolutely batshit crazy in situations like that guess what you should try to avoid at all costs, situations like that.

I'm not sure exactly what the guy was even supposed to do. If he puts his hands outside the window, like the driver, he could be seen as reaching for the officers gun and if he puts his hands on the dash he could be seen reaching for something in the glove box. I would have wanted out of that vehicle so I could lay my ass on the ground and get cuffed as soon as possible too with some batshit crazy fucker screaming he's going to kill me.

Notice his partner kept his cool the entire time despite having a perfectly good viewing angle, complete with flashlight, of the dead guy.

All of your pseudo-psychological analysis of the situation and who was feeling what, etc is nothing more than your opinion that you pulled out of your ass.

Furthermore you can't de-escalate a situation when one party refuses to comply with orders to remain in place and NOT move. Which is made all the worse when there is a gun involved in easy reach of the person refusing to comply. Or the fact that the suspect has a prior known history of SHOOTING AT COPS.

Nevermind that this cop and his partner had ZERO knowledge if this guy (an ex-felon) was packing another firearm on his person or not because they don't have the super powers you claim they should have.

Had this moron ex-felon just listened to the officer and not tried to barge his way out of the car he'd be alive though behind bars because ex-felons can't be anywhere near firearms period. Nevermind that this cop had arrested this asshole in August on unrelated drug charges so he knew who exactly he was dealing with here and what this person was capable of doing.

I know it is very easy to monday morning quarterback every situation with prior hindsight when you are sitting behind the safety of your PC but try, at least try to consider the other side and put yourself in that officer's shoes. Than again I know folks like you just can't do it and in most cases refuse to do it.

 

[Dari]

Oh didn't you hear? The passenger was retarded. If retarded is all it takes for it to be a-ok for police to kill somebody. The Republican party is in trouble.

I'm ready, willing, and able to bash police just as easily as the OP but, in this case, it was a good shoot. Fuck, the cop saw a gun and his alert level went to 11. He told the retarded passenger multiple times to put his hands where he could see them and not to exit the vehicle. What did the retarded passenger do? What all retarded passengers do, he got out. Shot 9 times was the response to that.

Compared that to the driver. Police said put your hands up and that's exactly what he did. Was he shot? No.

 

[Brovane]

That still does NOT justify the officer shooting the man!!

With how US Police Officers are trained, yes it does. The presence of a Firearm within reach of passenger created a situation that escalated the "use of force continuum" immediately to possible lethal force. This created a situation that no less than lethal force was considered to control the suspect that was not following verbal commands, even if he was apparently un-armed because the firearm was within reach of the suspect. The officer's then close position to the door created when the door opened and the suspect stood up that the officer believed that deadly force was necessary for the officers safety and his partner. I would have to defer to any professional LE officers if the officer in the video employed poor tactics in approaching the vehicle so close.

 

[Dari]

All of your pseudo-psychological analysis of the situation and who was feeling what, etc is nothing more than your opinion that you pulled out of your ass.

Furthermore you can't de-escalate a situation when one party refuses to comply with orders to remain in place and NOT move. Which is made all the worse when there is a gun involved in easy reach of the person refusing to comply. Or the fact that the suspect has a prior known history of SHOOTING AT COPS.

Nevermind that this cop and his partner had ZERO knowledge if this guy (an ex-felon) was packing another firearm on his person or not because they don't have the super powers you claim they should have.

Had this moron ex-felon just listened to the officer and not tried to barge his way out of the car he'd be alive though behind bars because ex-felons can't be anywhere near firearms period. Nevermind that this cop had arrested this asshole in August on unrelated drug charges so he knew who exactly he was dealing with here and what this person was capable of doing.

I know it is very easy to monday morning quarterback every situation with prior hindsight when you are sitting behind the safety of your PC but try, at least try to consider the other side and put yourself in that officer's shoes. Than again I know folks like you just can't do it and in most cases refuse to do it.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense as to why the cop was ultra alert and why the retarded passenger was so confrontational.

 

[mizzou]

Oink Oink!

Take your bigoted hatred to Stormfront. Dehumanizing people is a huge leap in bigotry...Don't take it.

The second you don't see other humans as humans, you are no better then the innocent people who got caught up in Nazi fervor and willingly sent Jews to their deaths.

We don't call people "Savages" here, we sure as hell don't use the "N-" word.

You are commenting on a tragedy. Treat it like one.

 

[Vic]

Yes, all this makes perfect sense when the officers' probable cause was 'running a stop sign.'

 

[TreVader]

Take your bigoted hatred to Stormfront. Dehumanizing people is a huge leap in bigotry...Don't take it.



The second you don't see other humans as humans, you are no better then the innocent people who got caught up in Nazi fervor and willingly sent Jews to their deaths.



We don't call people "Savages" here, we sure as hell don't use the "N-" word.



You are commenting on a tragedy. Treat it like one.

Lmao nice one. So cops are a race now? Where did your cop ancestors come from?


You should just shut your bigoted cop mouth right now. You don't want nothing with me, trust me, it won't run well for you. Ask around sweetheart


Edit: actually Mizzou, your stupid ass post is a perfect example of how cops want to be treated as a "special" class of citizen. You are above the law. Criticizing you is anticopism!! Horrible mistreatment your ilk at the Mukharbat and Gestapo suffered when they were torturing and murdering. Nobody liked them either

Poor, poor cops. Everybody is out to get them, and all they did was rape murder and pillage the people they were sworn to protect!

 

[mizzou]

Lmao nice one. So cops are a race now? Where did your cop ancestors come from?


You should just shut your bigoted cop mouth right now. You don't want nothing with me, trust me, it won't run well for you. Ask around sweetheart

They are people, just like people who commit crimes...but obviously your bigoted mind can't wrap around that.

Here's a definition for you
:bigotry is a state of mind where a person strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc.[1] Some examples include personal beliefs, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.

 

[Darwin333]

All of your pseudo-psychological analysis of the situation and who was feeling what, etc is nothing more than your opinion that you pulled out of your ass.

Furthermore you can't de-escalate a situation when one party refuses to comply with orders to remain in place and NOT move. Which is made all the worse when there is a gun involved in easy reach of the person refusing to comply. Or the fact that the suspect has a prior known history of SHOOTING AT COPS.

Nevermind that this cop and his partner had ZERO knowledge if this guy (an ex-felon) was packing another firearm on his person or not because they don't have the super powers you claim they should have.

Had this moron ex-felon just listened to the officer and not tried to barge his way out of the car he'd be alive though behind bars because ex-felons can't be anywhere near firearms period. Nevermind that this cop had arrested this asshole in August on unrelated drug charges so he knew who exactly he was dealing with here and what this person was capable of doing.

I know it is very easy to monday morning quarterback every situation with prior hindsight when you are sitting behind the safety of your PC but try, at least try to consider the other side and put yourself in that officer's shoes. Than again I know folks like you just can't do it and in most cases refuse to do it.

Not Monday morning quarterbacking shit, the guy lost his fucking mind and was screaming at a guy with a gun in his face. That is the epitome of a high stress situation, people do dumb shit in high stress situations. The cop obviously greatly increased said stress in said situation by losing his fucking mind. Had he not lost his fucking mind someone might not have lost their life, if he would have kept his cool and everything worked out the same I would be saying good shoot all day long.

Its not a difficult line of logic to follow bud.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm ready, willing, and able to bash police just as easily as the OP but, in this case, it was a good shoot. Fuck, the cop saw a gun and his alert level went to 11. He told the retarded passenger multiple times to put his hands where he could see them and not to exit the vehicle. What did the retarded passenger do? What all retarded passengers do, he got out. Shot 9 times was the response to that.

Compared that to the driver. Police said put your hands up and that's exactly what he did. Was he shot? No.

As close as the cop was, putting his hands out the window could have been construed as going for the officers gun and BAM BAM BAM. Same ending and you'd agree with the outcome, hell I probably would too given the guys record.

 

[mizzou]

As close as the cop was, putting his hands out the window could have been construed as going for the officers gun and BAM BAM BAM. Same ending and you'd agree with the outcome, hell I probably would too given the guys record.

If the guy has been around police a lot and been arrested, he may have gone to his comfort zone in a high stress situation and wanted to lay down on the ground and spread his hands. If that was what he had to do before, his brain may have been on a one track way to get to that position.

There is a chance he wasn't processing the cops verbal commands because of the anxiety and he acted in a way he thought he should.

Either way, I think an reasonable person would have complied and not moved.

 

[Vic]

Take your bigoted hatred to Stormfront. Dehumanizing people is a huge leap in bigotry...Don't take it.

The second you don't see other humans as humans, you are no better then the innocent people who got caught up in Nazi fervor and willingly sent Jews to their deaths.

We don't call people "Savages" here, we sure as hell don't use the "N-" word.

You are commenting on a tragedy. Treat it like one.

Are you serious? Dehumanizing the victim is all that ever happens in these threads on every board on the internet.
'Thug,' 'bad guy,' 'criminal,' 'retard,' etc.
No matter what, the excessive use of deadly force by government agents is excused by some kind of near-psychopathic antipathy towards whoever got shot and killed so that the posters can somehow delude themselves into believing that it could never happen to them.
I'm sure if we re-oriented the narrative about government abuse of power into the IRS seizing all of someone's assets because they improperly filled out some form and we might get some empathy.. but some retarded loser gets shot on the streets for not following some cop's orders to a T while holding him at gunpoint under the flimiest of probable cause, and hey he had it coming! 'Good shoot!'

 

[mizzou]

Are you serious? Dehumanizing the victim is all that ever happens in these threads on every board on the internet.
'Thug,' 'bad guy,' 'criminal,' 'retard,' etc.

I am serious, and that bigoted behavior is just as wrong as referring police to a pigs and god knows what else we do here.

We shouldn't dehumanize anyone...period. Unfortunately, it's the soup-de-jour these days and that is why we are going nowhere on the core problems.

So for the people coming in threads, being banned, saying "savages" this "Savages" that, dehumanizing black people, they can take that shit to stormfront.

For people who do the same things to cops or whatever else, take that shit to stormfront too.

I'm not disagreeing with your post, I just wanted to clarify what I meant to TreVader.

 

[Vic]

They are people, just like people who commit crimes...but obviously your bigoted mind can't wrap around that.

Here's a definition for you
:bigotry is a state of mind where a person strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc.[1] Some examples include personal beliefs, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.

Last I checked, 'government employee' was not a protected class.

 

[mizzou]

Last I checked, 'government employee' was not a protected class.

It's not about protection, it's about valuing human life. Just because someone wears a uniform, doesn't mean it's OK to hate that person because of what they represent. Like the color of skin you have no control over, you have little control over what other people who look like you do.

 

[Nebor]

Yes, all this makes perfect sense when the officers' probable cause was 'running a stop sign.'

I guarantee you that two young black guys in a newish Jaguar would run a stop sign in most cities in America. They happened to be in one of the poorest cities in New Jersey. They were either driving a stolen car or drug dealers.

 

[Vic]

I am serious, and that bigoted behavior is just as wrong as referring police to a pigs and god knows what else we do here.

We shouldn't dehumanize anyone...period. Unfortunately, it's the soup-de-jour these days and that is why we are going nowhere on the core problems.

So for the people coming in threads, being banned, saying "savages" this "Savages" that, dehumanizing black people, they can take that shit to stormfront.

For people who do the same things to cops or whatever else, take that shit to stormfront too.

I'm not disagreeing with your post, I just wanted to clarify what I meant to TreVader.

Fair enough. But if everyone with a black and white us vs them mentality had to take it to Stormfront, it'd be the most popular site on the internet.

 

[Nebor]

Are you serious? Dehumanizing the victim is all that ever happens in these threads on every board on the internet.
'Thug,' 'bad guy,' 'criminal,' 'retard,' etc.
No matter what, the excessive use of deadly force by government agents is excused by some kind of near-psychopathic antipathy towards whoever got shot and killed so that the posters can somehow delude themselves into believing that it could never happen to them.
I'm sure if we re-oriented the narrative about government abuse of power into the IRS seizing all of someone's assets because they improperly filled out some form and we might get some empathy.. but some retarded loser gets shot on the streets for not following some cop's orders to a T while holding him at gunpoint under the flimiest of probable cause, and hey he had it coming! 'Good shoot!'

When the police start shooting affluent white guys, the people on this forum might start to worry. I don't see that ever happening though, so we're probably good.

 

[mizzou]

Fair enough. But if everyone with a black and white us vs them mentality had to take it to Stormfront, it'd be the most popular site on the internet.

LOL! Yes it would hahah.

:thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

It's not about protection, it's about valuing human life. Just because someone wears a uniform, doesn't mean it's OK to hate that person because of what they represent. Like the color of skin you have no control over, you have little control over what other people who look like you do.

Ok then, how about implementing a little bit of quality control in the ranks then? Because, unlike skin, you're not born in a uniform and you don't have to wear it for life either.

 

[TreVader]

Cops are not a race, skin color, or religion. No matter how hard you try to make criticizing your fat blue line brethren "bigotry", it's not gonna work. We aren't that stupid mizzou!


Here's a clue: A cop is a job. He can quit that job (as every fucking decent cop would have by now, instead of supporting these murdering assholes) and become a decent human being at any time. He doesn't, because cops are assholes. It's a prerequisite for the job. If they stop being cops, they stop being assholes. If you are a cop, you are either ABIDING the violence or participating it. Either way, you are guilty.


As I said, another example of cops trying to twist the narrative to give themselves special privedges above "lesser" humans. Not only are we supposed to accept being summarily executed for traffic violations, we also shouldn't complain about it

 

[Vic]

I guarantee you that two young black guys in a newish Jaguar would run a stop sign in most cities in America. They happened to be in one of the poorest cities in New Jersey. They were either driving a stolen car or drug dealers.

Jags have shit resale value.

 

[mizzou]

Ok then, how about implementing a little bit of quality control in the ranks then? Because, unlike skin, you're not born in a uniform and you don't have to wear it for life either.

You don't have to wear a headscarf for life either.

 

[mizzou]

Cops are not a race, skin color, or religion. No matter how hard you try to make criticizing your fat blue line brethren "bigotry", it's not gonna work. We aren't that stupid mizzou!


Here's a clue: A cop is a job. He can quit that job (as every fucking decent cop would have by now, instead of supporting these murdering assholes) and become a decent human being at any time. He doesn't, because cops are assholes. It's a prerequisite for the job. If they stop being cops, they stop being assholes. If you are a cop, you are either ABIDING the violence or participating it. Either way, you are guilty.


As I said, another example of cops trying to twist the narrative to give themselves special privedges above "lesser" humans. Not only are we supposed to accept being summarily executed for traffic violations, we also shouldn't complain about it

You are missing the point. You said, "Oink! Oink!", in an attempt to refer to police officers as pigs. That is bigotry 101.

It's not just you, there are several other posters who do that...but it is let slide by ATOT moderators because we haven't seen such bigotry until recently. At some point, if they are consistent, they will not allow hate fueled comments to be posted..because it only encourages more hate. Just imagine if "Savages" was never moderated...we would have savage this, savage that, by people with bigoted points of view.

 

[Subyman]

We need to educate people like Subyman, because he will one day meet a cop who will scream at him not to move, then yell put your hands up, then shoot him for moving when he does.

That will never happen. Remember: "Yes, sir" "Right away, sir."