Video shows man shot by New Jersey police raising his hands

[Blanky]

Read no commentary. Watched only the vid until he's shot. He was given lots of warning he'd be shot dead and then the other guy says he's reaching he's reaching. I am thinking he did a really, really bad job of portraying himself as not being a threat, particularly when his friend had his hands out as far as he could.

Since it was a black cop who did the shooting, we won't see much news about this.

 

[Blanky]

Holy shit that is the worst video I've ever seen of a cop killing somebody!!

Fuck. I'm actually kinda sad, that was fucked up. His hands were 2ft out of the car when they shot him!



This has to stop.

Shit, that's nothing. These pigs outright fucking murdered this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U

 

[TreVader]

Shit, that's nothing. These pigs outright fucking murdered this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U

Lol I forgot about that one! When they flash bang him and shoot him then beat him a bit, handcuff him, and then leave him to die.

The problem really isn't the cops, it's fools like Subyman who would gladly give up his civil liberties for a false sense of security.


Cops = Criminals

They are the exact same kind of people. The LAPD is the biggest gang in CA, and if you need evidence look at the scandals they've had with officers who were actual gang members!

We need to educate people like Subyman, because he will one day meet a cop who will scream at him not to move, then yell put your hands up, then shoot him for moving when he does.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

This might be a case of police shooting first and asking questions later, but surely we can find better examples of innocent victims?

I hereby propose BoberFett's law: if police encounter somebody who has been in jail for shooting at cops, then they may execute that person and ask questions later.

Let it be written.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I hereby propose BoberFett's law: if police encounter somebody who has been in jail for shooting at cops, then they may execute that person and ask questions later.

Let it be written.

When there is a gun in the car, when that person is refusing to follow directions and when the officer involved knows who this person is (he arrested him on previous drug related charges) and has knowledge of this person's prior extensive criminal history. Can't say I'll be shedding any tears.

 

[Brovane]

Shit, that's nothing. These pigs outright fucking murdered this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U

At least those guys have been charged with murder.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

And in other news.....

"Justice Dept. to Recommend No Civil Rights Charges in Ferguson Shooting"


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html

Federal investigators interviewed more than 200 people and analyzed cellphone audio and video, the law enforcement officials said. Officer Wilson’s gun, clothing and other evidence were analyzed at the F.B.I.’s laboratory in Quantico, Va. Though the local authorities and Mr. Brown’s family conducted autopsies, Mr. Holder ordered a separate autopsy, which was conducted by pathologists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner’s office at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, the officials said.

The federal investigation did not uncover any facts that differed significantly from the evidence made public by the authorities in Missouri late last year, the law enforcement officials said. To bring federal civil rights charges, the Justice Department would have needed to prove that Officer Wilson had intended to violate Mr. Brown’s rights when he had opened fire and that he had done so willfully.

 

[Fern]

I dunno. Cop ordered "don't move" a thousand times, and knows the guy has a history. Instead, guy gets up anyway and seems to stretch out his hands from what looks to be a big coat. That motion could have looked like he was drawing a weapon.

Again, a good case for a body camera. We really can't see exactly where his hands were at all times, the video is noisy, it's dark, etc...I don't really find the video that helpful beyond establishing the guy definitely did not follow clearly stated orders.

Yeah, pretty much this. I can't see enough in the video to form an opinion. I can't even tell if the (dead) guy's hands are empty.

Fern

 

[Dari]

Passenger was retarded.

 

[Blanky]

At least those guys have been charged with murder.

Yep, I see that. Hope they get convicted, based on what I saw in that vid.

 

[railer]

And in other news.....

"Justice Dept. to Recommend No Civil Rights Charges in Ferguson Shooting"


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html

Right....because nobody's civil rights were violated....so.....?

As to the topic at hand....I guess if you're stupid enough to pop out of a car into someone's face, either a cop or a civilian, after they have repeatedly screamed at you not to move or they would shoot you, and while they've got a gun pointed at your head.....well then you're just an idiot. And deserve to be shot.

/thread

 

[bradley]

Not enough information to make a decent decision. Was the gun legally registered? Did the officer have prior knowledge of the driver or passenger? However it appears as though the passenger forcefully pushed open the door and foolishly didn't comply.

I will say one thing, the officer immediately should have told the driver to turn off the engine.

 

[OutHouse]

Good shoot.

 

[Nebor]

Pretty impressive that they were able to put 9 bullets in him in that short a time. I wonder how many total rounds were fired.

 

[Jerem]

That could have gone sideways really quick and with the partner tied up with the driver there was no help. The officer was trying to contain the guy and keep his tactical advantage but the passenger forced his way out. I truly think he was going to try overpowering the officer or run. I'm no fan of the heavy handed tactics or the shoot first attitude but this was absolutely a good shoot.

Also, as someone who has been pulled over with a gun in the glovebox, I can tell you I saved myself a whole lot of misery by telling the officer it was there first.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That could have gone sideways really quick and with the partner tied up with the driver there was no help. The officer was trying to contain the guy and keep his tactical advantage but the passenger forced his way out. I truly think he was going to try overpowering the officer or run. I'm no fan of the heavy handed tactics or the shoot first attitude but this was absolutely a good shoot.

Also, as someone who has been pulled over with a gun in the glovebox, I can tell you I saved myself a whole lot of misery by telling the officer it was there first.

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-man-shot-jersey-police-raising-hands-150049422.html

I will take from this article --

Reid and the man driving the car were black. The Bridgeton officer who spotted the gun, Braheme Days, is black; his partner, Roger Worley, is white. Both officers have been placed on leave while prosecutors investigate.

"The video speaks for itself that at no point was Jerame Reid a threat and he possessed no weapon on his person," Walter Hudson, chairman and founder of the civil rights group the National Awareness Alliance, said Wednesday. "He complied with the officer and the officer shot him."
A Philadelphia lawyer, Conrad Benedetto, said he has been hired by Reid's wife, Lawanda, to investigate. He said in a statement the footage "raises serious questions as to the legality and/or reasonableness of the officers' actions that night" because Reid was shot as he raised his hands.

Reid, 36, spent about 13 years in prison for shooting at three state troopers when he was a teenager. And Days knew who he was; Days was among the arresting officers last year when Reid was charged with several crimes, including drug possession and obstruction.

In Bridgeton, where two-thirds of the residents are black or Hispanic, the killing has stirred small protests over the past couple of weeks, including a demonstration on Wednesday, a day after the video was made public at the request of two newspapers under the state's open records law.

Just wow......according to what was described in several articles that I have read since....
That brings up another question......if you or I was in our cars and the officer had his weapon drawn and we had our hands in plain view.-- would the officer be justified to shoot you because you decided it was in your best interested to exit the car with your hands in plain view and lay on the ground. So there could be no "get out of jail free" excuses such as well I thought he had a gun....

 

[Brovane]

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-man-shot-jersey-police-raising-hands-150049422.html

I will take from this article --

Reid and the man driving the car were black. The Bridgeton officer who spotted the gun, Braheme Days, is black; his partner, Roger Worley, is white. Both officers have been placed on leave while prosecutors investigate.

"The video speaks for itself that at no point was Jerame Reid a threat and he possessed no weapon on his person," Walter Hudson, chairman and founder of the civil rights group the National Awareness Alliance, said Wednesday. "He complied with the officer and the officer shot him."
A Philadelphia lawyer, Conrad Benedetto, said he has been hired by Reid's wife, Lawanda, to investigate. He said in a statement the footage "raises serious questions as to the legality and/or reasonableness of the officers' actions that night" because Reid was shot as he raised his hands.

Reid, 36, spent about 13 years in prison for shooting at three state troopers when he was a teenager. And Days knew who he was; Days was among the arresting officers last year when Reid was charged with several crimes, including drug possession and obstruction.

In Bridgeton, where two-thirds of the residents are black or Hispanic, the killing has stirred small protests over the past couple of weeks, including a demonstration on Wednesday, a day after the video was made public at the request of two newspapers under the state's open records law.

Just wow......according to what was described in several articles that I have read since....
That brings up another question......if you or I was in our cars and the officer had his weapon drawn and we had our hands in plain view.-- would the officer be justified to shoot you because you decided it was in your best interested to exit the car with your hands in plain view and lay on the ground. So there could be no "get out of jail free" excuses such as well I thought he had a gun....

It is fairly simple. If a officer has a gun on you, follow all the directions very carefully of the officer. If a officer was just a couple of feet outside your car door with his gun drawn and he told you to keep your hands in plain view and don't move and you opened the car door. Yes the officer would be justified. He doesn't know what you are doing. You are essentially coming towards him and the officer has little space to deal with the possible threat. The video does the job of clearly showing the suspect not following directions when you have a tense situation of a weapon in the vehicle. Did the driver get shot? No because he followed directions.

How hard is it, follow the directions of the officer.

This doesn't excuse behavior that I have sometimes seen before were you have multiple officers and they start shouting contradictory orders at the suspect.

 

[Darwin333]

The cop told him not to move. He said it over and over and over. The guy who was shot was in jail for 12 years for shooting at the police. What should have been the cop's response when saw the gun in the glove compartment?

NJ has one of the strictest gun laws in America.

I don't know about you but the cop sure as hell seemed to escalate the entire situation and the guy was rightfully in fear of his life, so he wanted to exit the vehicle with his hands up and be taken into custody.

I would sure as hell be freaked the fuck out having some asshole with a gun in my face completely loosing his shit like that and so would you or any other reasonable person. The cop lost his shit and shouldn't be a cop, that is very obvious. Is he guilty of murder, I don't know yet.

Another scary thing was the white cop who only fired a single shot but damn it sure looked like if he missed he would have hit his partner. He did wait to fire so maybe his partner moved laterally from his position but it is something I would definitely be checking into it if I was his supervisor.

 

[Darwin333]

It is fairly simple. If a officer has a gun on you, follow all the directions very carefully of the officer. If a officer was just a couple of feet outside your car door with his gun drawn and he told you to keep your hands in plain view and don't move and you opened the car door. Yes the officer would be justified. He doesn't know what you are doing. You are essentially coming towards him and the officer has little space to deal with the possible threat. The video does the job of clearly showing the suspect not following directions when you have a tense situation of a weapon in the vehicle. Did the driver get shot? No because he followed directions.

How hard is it, follow the directions of the officer.

This doesn't excuse behavior that I have sometimes seen before were you have multiple officers and they start shouting contradictory orders at the suspect.

When someone completely loses their fucking mind it gets rather difficult to remain calm yourself.... They actually teach that stuff to most rookies.

 

[Darwin333]

Pretty impressive that they were able to put 9 bullets in him in that short a time. I wonder how many total rounds were fired.

I replayed it a few times and I only heard 9 shots total so evidently all 9. The asshole that lost his damn mind was firing at point blank but the other guy was shooting from a decent distance, although he did take his time and line up his shot.

 

[Vic]

I'm always intrigued to see how the self-professed small government crowd routinely approves of summary execution of citizens by agents of the government right on our city streets.

 

[Darwin333]

He was terrified because their was a gun in the glove compart in easy reach of the passenger. Of which the passenger was trying to step out of the car when the black cop told him not to move. Which is also why you see him (the black cop) attempting to hold the door closed for a bit as the guy in the passenger seat tries to swing it open.

He wasn't "terrified" he completely lost his shit. If he isn't able to refrain from losing his damned mind during a situation like that he has no business putting himself in positions like that. I've seen a metric fuckload of videos of soldiers under actual enemy fire who have kept better cool than that, if some 19 year old kid can keep cool while people are actively shooting at him with machine guns I would expect a trained and experienced officer of the law could keep his cool when not being shot at.

They are supposed to deescalate, that cop escalated the fuck out of that situation. As I said, I don't know if that makes him a murder, he could have legitimately feared for his life but it does make him incapable of carrying a gun for a living. If you go absolutely batshit crazy in situations like that guess what you should try to avoid at all costs, situations like that.

I'm not sure exactly what the guy was even supposed to do. If he puts his hands outside the window, like the driver, he could be seen as reaching for the officers gun and if he puts his hands on the dash he could be seen reaching for something in the glove box. I would have wanted out of that vehicle so I could lay my ass on the ground and get cuffed as soon as possible too with some batshit crazy fucker screaming he's going to kill me.

Notice his partner kept his cool the entire time despite having a perfectly good viewing angle, complete with flashlight, of the dead guy.

 

[Genx87]

I'm always intrigued to see how the self-professed small government crowd routinely approves of summary execution of citizens by agents of the government right on our city streets.

Oh didn't you hear? The passenger was retarded. If retarded is all it takes for it to be a-ok for police to kill somebody. The Republican party is in trouble.

 

[JEDIYoda]

It is fairly simple. If a officer has a gun on you, follow all the directions very carefully of the officer. If a officer was just a couple of feet outside your car door with his gun drawn and he told you to keep your hands in plain view and don't move and you opened the car door. Yes the officer would be justified. He doesn't know what you are doing. You are essentially coming towards him and the officer has little space to deal with the possible threat. The video does the job of clearly showing the suspect not following directions when you have a tense situation of a weapon in the vehicle. Did the driver get shot? No because he followed directions.

How hard is it, follow the directions of the officer.

This doesn't excuse behavior that I have sometimes seen before were you have multiple officers and they start shouting contradictory orders at the suspect.

That still does NOT justify the officer shooting the man!!

 

[TreVader]

It's not ok to shoot someone just because you can't handle any kind of danger presenting itself.

Cops today are shoot first ask questions later and it's all because they've taken "protect" and applied it to themselves. This is a recent development in law enforcement.

The "Serve" part was always bullshit. The only people cops are out to serve is are each other and themselves. But they used to actually have some respect for their job, and back in the 70s cops would actually try to use "words" to talk down a suspect. Assuming there wasn't any racial tension.

Point is: Cops have developed a mentality that they will not accept injury at all, nor will they risk their lives for anybody. It's all about number one, or their partner in crime.

This is a symptom of this new entitled and criminal force that patrols our streets. I used to think that if crime went down, cops would stop harassing the public as much. The opposite has happened! I bet if you look at the drop in the murder rate, it's probably accompanied by a corresponding increase in fatal shootings by officers. Why?

Because we apparently need criminals to keep the cops busy. If they get bored harassing criminals they immediately do what their feeble cop brains tell them they must do 100% of the time: Be assholes. Just that describes cops to a T.

We need to improve the prospects for criminals in this country. We need more robbers, thieves, and most of all we need MORE DRUG ADDICTS. This is necessary, and kaiser should be distributing oxycondone and meth under the table to anyone who wants it. Flood the market with drugs and guns, and give the pigs some slop to gobble up.

Oink Oink!