Video showing Mac OS X booting on an x86 machine

[Eug]

http://files.macbidouille.com/news/200508/OSX86.mp4

EDIT:

Scroll down for additional movies (in the August 14th post), which at the time of this writing work fine.

 

[wakawaka]

So someone has cracked it? Is it possible to install OS X on x86 hardware now?

 

[Eug]

Not fully cracked yet. You apparently have to apply a bunch of patches, and after that, you only get limited functionality. Furthermore, it seems to work a lot better on certain hardware than others.

But still it's not bad considering this is a developer preview version supposedly built for only one machine.

 

[wakawaka]

Originally posted by: Eug
Not fully cracked yet. You apparently have to apply a bunch of patches, and after that, you only get limited functionality. Furthermore, it seems to work a lot better on certain hardware than others.

But still it's not bad considering this is a developer preview version supposedly built for only one machine.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page says:

"August 10, 2005 - We have recieved unconfirmed reports that a torrent has leaked containing a VMWare image of Tiger x86 that has supposedly been hacked to circumvent TPM and run on non-SSE3 machines. More news as it happens..."

I have to find that torrent! If anyone figuresd out where it is, toss me a message.

 

[wakawaka]

Well, that didn't take long to find. 8 hours or so until testing begins. Hopefully this sucker isn't fake.

 

[wkinney]

link seems dead, any mirrors?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: wkinney
link seems dead, any mirrors?

Hmmm... Yeah, the link seems dead now. I downloaded it but it's on my work computer and I'm now at home. (I'm not keen on hosting it anyway, as it would kill my bandwidth.)

Anyways... Cliff notes:

It's somebody holding a DV camera in front of their PC laptop and then booting it up.

It boots to the normal PC laptop POST screens etc, then to the Apple grey startup screen, and then into OS X. At initial boot up it shows a dialogue box saying that a few things couldn't be loaded properly, but OS X does otherwise load seemingly pretty normally.

 

[wakawaka]

http://www.concretesurf.co.nz/osx86/vie...4&sid=ffcb964e121855120f753d29863e7f03

Check out that thread on it. Wahoo =p

 

[Eug]

Hmmm... A second video was added, but their site is getting hammered. Apparently it shows them displaying stuff like:

"the "About this Mac" panel, Apple System Profiler and CHUD prefpane showing information on the processor (frequency, cache etc...)."

 

[timswim78]

Originally posted by: wakawaka
http://www.concretesurf.co.nz/osx86/vie...4&sid=ffcb964e121855120f753d29863e7f03

Check out that thread on it. Wahoo =p

Ugh, that was so slow, that it was painful to watch. it was like running XP on a 286 or something. Hopefully, PearPC will get better with the x86 release of Tiger.

In any case, you should check out the mac-forums.com message boards and read the posts that those guys are putting up about this whole fiasco.

 

[wakawaka]

Up and running in VMware.....Too dang slow to accomplish anything, but they say out of VMware its fine. Soooo...now to get it up and going without VMware. To be continued tomorrow....

 

[yukichigai]

The process looks far too complex for me to follow at the moment. I'll wait until the hack becomes a little more straightforward before I triple-boot Tiger, XP x64 and Mandriva x64

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: wakawaka
Up and running in VMware.....Too dang slow to accomplish anything, but they say out of VMware its fine. Soooo...now to get it up and going without VMware. To be continued tomorrow....

Why pirate Mac OS X? It's much cheaper than Windows, you shouldn't have to pirate it.

 

[timswim78]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wakawaka
Up and running in VMware.....Too dang slow to accomplish anything, but they say out of VMware its fine. Soooo...now to get it up and going without VMware. To be continued tomorrow....

Why pirate Mac OS X? It's much cheaper than Windows, you shouldn't have to pirate it.

I'm missing where he said that he pirated it...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: timswim78

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wakawaka
Up and running in VMware.....Too dang slow to accomplish anything, but they say out of VMware its fine. Soooo...now to get it up and going without VMware. To be continued tomorrow....

Why pirate Mac OS X? It's much cheaper than Windows, you shouldn't have to pirate it.

I'm missing where he said that he pirated it...

There is no version of OS X for VMWare commonly available to the public.

I have to find that torrent! If anyone figuresd out where it is, toss me a message.

Well, that didn't take long to find. 8 hours or so until testing begins. Hopefully this sucker isn't fake.

 

[timswim78]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: timswim78

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wakawaka
Up and running in VMware.....Too dang slow to accomplish anything, but they say out of VMware its fine. Soooo...now to get it up and going without VMware. To be continued tomorrow....

Why pirate Mac OS X? It's much cheaper than Windows, you shouldn't have to pirate it.

I'm missing where he said that he pirated it...

There is no version of OS X for VMWare commonly available to the public.



I got ye now. I thought that VMWARE was designed to run everything.

 

[BladeVenom]

Apple is going to try to lock out any non-Apple computer from running OS X. Pirated versions will be the only ones that will work.

 

[wkinney]

Why are they locking it to apple specific hardware when they release it? The amount of money they would make in licensing the software on all x86 platforms would so much more than any money they will get from hardware sales of their systems.

The whole world did not switch to apple hardware for their osx before, why would they now? because intel will give them faster machines? I don't think so.

 

[Bowsky]

By releasing the OS on Apple specific hardware they are able to maintain the "Apple Experience". The will know all the given hardware combinations which will give coders an edge when trying to optimize the OS and keep it stable. The minute Apple opens their OS to the general computing world they have to deal with a large amount of hardware that has the potential to act abnormally and crash (via bad drivers).

Luckily for all of us it seems clear that there will be a work around for anyone who wants OS X running on a non-Mac box.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: wkinney
Why are they locking it to apple specific hardware when they release it? The amount of money they would make in licensing the software on all x86 platforms would so much more than any money they will get from hardware sales of their systems.

The whole world did not switch to apple hardware for their osx before, why would they now? because intel will give them faster machines? I don't think so.

Because we don't want to spend $500 on the OS alone.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Apple is going to try to lock out any non-Apple computer from running OS X. Pirated versions will be the only ones that will work.

Use Apple hardware. It's a simpler solution.

 

[wkinney]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wkinney
Why are they locking it to apple specific hardware when they release it? The amount of money they would make in licensing the software on all x86 platforms would so much more than any money they will get from hardware sales of their systems.

The whole world did not switch to apple hardware for their osx before, why would they now? because intel will give them faster machines? I don't think so.

Because we don't want to spend $500 on the OS alone.

Uhm its $129 right now, why would it be 500 dollars?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: wkinney

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wkinney
Why are they locking it to apple specific hardware when they release it? The amount of money they would make in licensing the software on all x86 platforms would so much more than any money they will get from hardware sales of their systems.

The whole world did not switch to apple hardware for their osx before, why would they now? because intel will give them faster machines? I don't think so.

Because we don't want to spend $500 on the OS alone.

Uhm its $129 right now, why would it be 500 dollars?

Because they wouldn't be making money off of hardware like they do now. Their profit margins would fall, and they'd have to raise the price of the software.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wkinney

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: wkinney
Why are they locking it to apple specific hardware when they release it? The amount of money they would make in licensing the software on all x86 platforms would so much more than any money they will get from hardware sales of their systems.

The whole world did not switch to apple hardware for their osx before, why would they now? because intel will give them faster machines? I don't think so.

Because we don't want to spend $500 on the OS alone.

Uhm its $129 right now, why would it be 500 dollars?

Because they wouldn't be making money off of hardware like they do now. Their profit margins would fall, and they'd have to raise the price of the software.

Exactly. That amount that Apple sells OS X at is just for the cost of media and probably partially covers support costs caused by people needing help upgrading.

If they gave it away for no-cost to apple users then people would assume that it ment that they could pirate it legally.

All the profits are from hardware sales.. not software. Nobody but Microsoft and Redhat has been able to successfully sell a OS for money as a for-profit corporation.. All other current OS's are sold with expensive hardware and support contracts.. everybody else has killed off the OS (like IBM on OS/2) or gone out of business (BeOS).

If Apple ends up selling their OS for everybody to use on their random machines it would be at least 300 dollars... and Apple's hardware support is going to be crap for a long time.

 

[timswim78]

With regards to the whol security issue, I wonder what is going on at Apple. Are they worried about this OS X version being "cracked," or are they sitting around and laughing because they have not yet released their more secure version?