Video Showing Florida Police Attempting To Handcuff 8-Year-Old Draws Outrage

JEDIYoda

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The Police should have used some common sense.......you can`t tell me their training involves handcuffing an 8 year old child!

Yet what is more absurd is the way the School handled this!
That substitute teacher was not properly trained to deal with this special needs child!!



The arrest took place at Gerald Adams Elementary in Key West, Florida, on Dec. 14, 2018, after the boy reportedly punched a teacher in the chest, according to an arrest report obtained by the Miami Herald. The child was arrested on a felony battery charge, according to the report. He is not named due to his age.

In a statement, Crump said the boy had an individual education plan in place to assist with a disability.


“Instead of honoring and fulfilling that plan, the school placed him with a substitute teacher who had no awareness or concern about his needs and who escalated the situation by using her hands to forcibly move him,” Crump said.

“When he acted out, the teacher called the police, who threatened him with jail and tried to put him in handcuffs, which fell off because he was too little.”
 

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The Police should have used some common sense.......you can`t tell me their training involves handcuffing an 8 year old child!

Yet what is more absurd is the way the School handled this!
That substitute teacher was not properly trained to deal with this special needs child!!



The arrest took place at Gerald Adams Elementary in Key West, Florida, on Dec. 14, 2018, after the boy reportedly punched a teacher in the chest, according to an arrest report obtained by the Miami Herald. The child was arrested on a felony battery charge, according to the report. He is not named due to his age.

In a statement, Crump said the boy had an individual education plan in place to assist with a disability.


“Instead of honoring and fulfilling that plan, the school placed him with a substitute teacher who had no awareness or concern about his needs and who escalated the situation by using her hands to forcibly move him,” Crump said.

“When he acted out, the teacher called the police, who threatened him with jail and tried to put him in handcuffs, which fell off because he was too little.”
What happens when people insist on mainstreaming kids that don't belong in the mainstream. It hurts the person of special needs, and it holds everybody else up. I had a retarded brother who was mentally disturbed with behavioral problems. He finally got the help he needed when my parents were finally financially able to put my brother in a school who made so much of a difference you would not believe. My rant!
 

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What happens when people insist on mainstreaming kids that don't belong in the mainstream. It hurts the person of special needs, and it holds everybody else up. I had a retarded brother who was mentally disturbed with behavioral problems. He finally got the help he needed when my parents were finally financially able to put my brother in a school who made so much of a difference you would not believe. My rant!
Thank You for sharing!!
 

ch33zw1z

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Sue the school for not assuring his IEP was followed by a substitute teacher. If the teacher didn't know better, then leave her alone, it's an admin problem. Sue the shit out of them. Oh, and open a civil rights case with the DoE (if that even matters anymore). Teachers are under equipped IMXP to handle kids with special needs.
 
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How we learn to hate ourselves. The cop explained to the boy how upset he was that the behavior of that worthless little shit of a child forced him, the cop, to do things he didn't want to do in punishing him. The poor fucking victim was the cop. But it has to be done because it will make the kid a better person living with shame and guilt. Nobody who loves himself would ever say something like that to a child.
 

Jaskalas

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Yet what is more absurd is the way the School handled this!
That substitute teacher was not properly trained to deal with this special needs child!!

What exactly is the protocol for being physically assaulted?
 

ch33zw1z

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Florida Man...err Florida Man Cop strikes again!!

I'm really trying not to stereotype here, but unfortunately when I see people wearing their sunglasses upside down on the back of their heads, it immediately screams douchebag to me.

Obviously, dont really impact the situation leading up to the LEOs involvement.
 

ch33zw1z

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How we learn to hate ourselves. The cop explained to the boy how upset he was that the behavior of that worthless little shit of a child forced him, the cop, to do things he didn't want to do in punishing him. The poor fucking victim was the cop. But it has to be done because it will make the kid a better person living with shame and guilt. Nobody who loves himself would ever say something like that to a child.

This is dead on. I was raised using the same tactics, and as such raised my kids in their early years doing the same. It wasn't until one of my sons started becoming unhinged both at school and home that I was forced to start changing my authoritarian Christian conservative thought process. I can still catch myself doing it from time to time, but much less than in the past. Change is hard. Side note, changing this has allowed trust, respect, and better parenting with my kids.

But, this type of reasoning is very prevalent in our shame based society, and I agree with you more and more, it's driven out of hate for ourselves.
 

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What exactly is the protocol for being physically assaulted?
An adult being hit by an 8 year old child who according to the police report sustained no injury? It sure as shit should not involve police, arrest, booking, DNA swab, felony charges. Young kids do stupid shit and act out in all sorts of ways. Criminalizing that behavior is beyond stupid. It’s a discipline and behavior issue to be addressed by the parents and the school not the fucking police and prosecutors.
 
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What exactly is the protocol for being physically assaulted?

40 inches tall and weighs 64lbs
Don’t be a pussy

I’m not going to claim to be a child expert because I am not.
Arresting a small 8 year old simply looks wrong and this is what defund the police is about. Police shouldn’t not be expected to arrest small children in fucking school. Police don’t want to be going to fucking schools to arrest fucking 8 year olds.
Move some money from Police budget because they will no longer need to do this duty and move it to something else that looks and sounds and works better.

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ch33zw1z

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Don’t be a pussy

I’m not going to claim to be a child expert because I am not.
Arresting a small 8 year old simply looks wrong and this is what defund the police is about. Police shouldn’t not be expected to arrest small children in fucking school. Police don’t want to be going to fucking schools to arrest fucking 8 year olds.
Move some money from Police budget because they will no longer need to do this duty and move it to something else that looks and sounds and works better.

The school has a plan, it's part of the IEP. If the school doesn't have the right staff working with the student, you get stupid shit like this. Maybe hire another sub that's qualified to work with children that have disabilities and an IEP
 

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This is dead on. I was raised using the same tactics, and as such raised my kids in their early years doing the same. It wasn't until one of my sons started becoming unhinged both at school and home that I was forced to start changing my authoritarian Christian conservative thought process. I can still catch myself doing it from time to time, but much less than in the past. Change is hard. Side note, changing this has allowed trust, respect, and better parenting with my kids.

But, this type of reasoning is very prevalent in our shame based society, and I agree with you more and more, it's driven out of hate for ourselves.
Don’t forget that just as it is obvious that the child in this thread reacted as he did for valid and understandable reasons having nothing to do with being bad or evil, the loads that were dumped on us as children were similarly just a pile of lies. We learned to hate ourselves and what we feel becomes our operational reality, but the truth and the facts are that we internalized lies. Our actions were driven by psychological reasons that were not evil.

We create what we fear and we fear our children will be persecuted and hated if they deviate from some undefined standards we invent. Our efforts to save them from pain is how they get to know that pain.
 

Jaskalas

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Don’t be a pussy

Kid could be the size of an ant, it wouldn't matter. I assume they are not allowed to touch or lay a hand on them. Much less respond with any amount of force. So they are not allowed to actually control the kid. How do you even get him out of the classroom, ask nicely? Anything you're going to tell me assumes the kid is at least partially willing to cooperate. And while that may seem reasonable for most kids, there are going to be some wild situations out there - and the obvious answer is not permitted. Which brings me back to my question - just what is the answer, what is the typical / expected course of action from the teacher and the school?

The school has a plan, it's part of the IEP.

What is a IEP?
 

ch33zw1z

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Kid could be the size of an ant, it wouldn't matter. I assume they are not allowed to touch or lay a hand on them. Much less respond with any amount of force. So they are not allowed to actually control the kid. How do you even get him out of the classroom, ask nicely? Anything you're going to tell me assumes the kid is at least partially willing to cooperate. And while that may seem reasonable for most kids, there are going to be some wild situations out there - and the obvious answer is not permitted. Which brings me back to my question - just what is the answer, what is the typical / expected course of action from the teacher and the school?



What is a IEP?

Individualized education program. It's a formal report of known disabilities and what the school will do to accommodate them. It's agreed upon by the school admins and parents. This includes behavioral stuff. It's why I said if the sub didn't know what to do, then leave her alone, it's the admins fault for putting her with the student. It's also the admins fault for including the police, and I'm guessing that's why the family hired a lawyer, because the admin has been circling the wagons and the family wants answers that they aren't getting.

There are also trainings that staffe members can attend to teach them legally allowed restraints,.and when to use them.

Based on the limited information here so far, i speculate the admin put an untrained staff member with the student, and then blamed the student when things didn't pan out.

Edit: and if the child has disabilities but the school has not developed and IEP, even more blame on them.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Kid could be the size of an ant, it wouldn't matter. I assume they are not allowed to touch or lay a hand on them. Much less respond with any amount of force. So they are not allowed to actually control the kid. How do you even get him out of the classroom, ask nicely? Anything you're going to tell me assumes the kid is at least partially willing to cooperate. And while that may seem reasonable for most kids, there are going to be some wild situations out there - and the obvious answer is not permitted. Which brings me back to my question - just what is the answer, what is the typical / expected course of action from the teacher and the school?
So lets get this straight.....
Putting an unarmed 8 year old child who has disabilities in handcuffs is OK as long as Police or school protocol says it is ok?
If you believe that to be true then you are part of the problem!
Also protocol is just that a protocol it is not a law, there is a difference!
 

ch33zw1z

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So lets get this straight.....
Putting an unarmed 8 year old child who has disabilities in handcuffs is OK as long as Police or school protocol says it is ok?
If you believe that to be true then you are part of the problem!
Also protocol is just that a protocol it is not a law, there is a difference!

I think in this case you should give @Jaskalas a little slack, I think he's just not aware what schools are allowed and not allowed to do.

They're certainly allowed to engage the police of needed. In this particular case, it doesn't seem warranted at all, and that's why a lawyer is speaking for the family. The school district is probably very nervous about what's going to happen in court. Meanwhile, what's happening with this students education?