Video: Rand Paul Supporter Stomps Head Of Female UPDATED

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Moonbeam

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Let's consider how people react to violent attacks.

Valle put her head down and was doing a football charge at Paul. She wasn't standing there waiting for him to pass, she was violently approaching him and ramming into people in her way.

In the immediacy of the moment, in our violent times when she could be carrying a firearm and be intent on assassination rather than making a political statement, you make the call -

1. Do nothing, get out of her way so that she has an unimpeded path to the political candidate.

2. Stop her violent rush as best you can, all the while calling out for the cops.

Let's say you choose Option 2. Even as you restrain Valle and bring her to the ground, she continues to struggle to charge the candidate.

Do you change your mind and let her get up to continue her assault or do you hold her down?

If you choose to hold her down, how do you hold her down? Do you use your hands, do you put a knee into her back, do you put a foot on her neck, back, head?

Valle tried a surprise attack on Paul. The people reacting were trying to protect themselves first as Vallee tried to head butt her way through the crowd, then they might have realized that Paul was the intended target.

But even in the surprise of an adrenaline filled moment they chose responses that were not particularly extreme - they were simply restraints. An extreme response, but still one that might be expected under those circumstances, would have been to kick her senseless to make sure she stayed down.

You may see it differently, but I think she should be charged with assault. The guy using his foot to hold her down might not fare well in court but his reaction is not outside of the normal range of reactions in a situation like this.

This is correct. This is exactly no more and no less normal for stinking assholes, stepping on the neck of a woman who is down. Any person on the left who did that to a right winger would make me fucking sick.
 

hal2kilo

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Still too early to be sure about much of anything except that this woman is a professional leftist provocateur (contract employee of Moveon.org, Greenpeace, Free Tibet) who has been previously arrested with felony charges in the United States and, apparently in China as well.

She was wearing a disguise (blonde wig, Rand Paul button) and pushing her way toward the candidate with a fake "award" sign that she wanted Paul to be photographed with.

The video record we see in the OP is not complete, of course. It is edited to show only a few seconds of her being taken down and being restrained. It does not show what she did prior to being restrained or the aftermath. The full video will be required to get an idea of how it all went down.

Anyway, let see what a few minutes search on Google brings up on Ms. Lauren Valle -

She was booked in May on felony charges. (LPSO)

Yup, she is one of those leftist agitators that fly around the world to "protest" various leftist/progressive causes and makes a living doing so.

I expect the left will spin her as a martyr, albeit one who was not injured in the restraint. She looks positively radiant at achieving her provocation so effectively.

So this justifies using brown shirt tactics? Welcome to the new age just like the old age.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Wait so if you CCW then actual kill someone you still have to go to court? I thought it was a license to kill.

No more than your license to have no sense. While I don't approve of whoever pressing her down with his foot she want harmed and she should consider herself lucky. The full clip of her charging through shows that. Under the circumstances I would have considered her actions as hostile and immediately put her out and no legal agency or court would have seen things differently. She was very lucky indeed.
 

yllus

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I feel strongly inclined to create a thread called "Bear supporting Rand Paul eats widow of Gerald Ford at MoveOn.org rally". Not sure why.
 

Turin39789

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So she could? I mean she had no idea how far the mod was going to take it right? This greenpeace activist could be packin and blow a few tea partiers away. Poowm! poowm! poowm!

The fear has to be considered reasonable/legit. You can't shoot someone because they looked at you and you felt scared.

Being beaten in a large crowd/mob may be another story, but no I don't think she'd fare too well trying to justify deadly force in this situation, especially with LEO's nearby.
 

chucky2

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awww little neocons. :awe:

It's sad that you're wrong so much...I dislike neocon's almost as much as I dislike whining liberals - almost, but not quite as much.

It's really simple actually: Want to cause drama? Then don't whine yourself, or have 'your side' whine/fake whine, when the drama happens to you.

If everyone lived by that principle, there'd be lots less BS in this world...

Chuck
 

PJABBER

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This is correct. This is exactly no more and no less normal for stinking assholes, stepping on the neck of a woman who is down. Any person on the left who did that to a right winger would make me fucking sick.

I blame the paid provocateur first for instigating the situation. That is what she was there for and she got what she and her employer Moveon.org wanted.


No one else went there for confrontation. But that is what they got.


It doesn't matter who is left and who is right. Violence should be a last resort and proportionality is important.


But it is important to identify when someone is a professional at provocation and is being paid to go someplace specifically to agitate and disrupt, especially if they may have been incited to do so violently.


Anyone at any time can find themselves faced by violent nutjobs. Your reaction will be judged by people who themselves will not be facing immediate threat. The legal system in many places will be stacked against you.


You had better think twice.
 
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Scotteq

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I feel strongly inclined to create a thread called "Bear supporting Rand Paul eats widow of Gerald Ford at MoveOn.org rally". Not sure why.

Well... If the bear was female, then I'm sure the ACLU would defend their right to commit a lewd act in public.
 

Moonbeam

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I blame the paid provocateur first for instigating the situation. That is what she was there for and she got what she and her employer Moveon.org wanted.


No one else went there for confrontation. But that is what they got.


It doesn't matter who is left and who is right. Violence should be a last resort and proportionality is important.


But it is important to identify when someone is a professional at provocation and is being paid to go someplace specifically to agitate and disrupt, especially if they may have been incited to do so violently.


Anyone at any time can find themselves faced by violent nutjobs. Your reaction will be judged by people who themselves will not be facing immediate threat. The legal system in many places will be stacked against you.


You had better think twice.

I wish you could do it once.
 

spacejamz

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In addition to charging directly at Paul, she was wearing a disguise which should also immediately trigger some HUGE RED FLAGS...

How big of an idiot do you need to do something this stupid....oh wait...we already know now...
 

Red Dawn

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Let's consider how people react to violent attacks.

Valle put her head down and was doing a football charge at Paul. She wasn't standing there waiting for him to pass, she was violently approaching him and ramming into people in her way.

In the immediacy of the moment, in our violent times when she could be carrying a firearm and be intent on assassination rather than making a political statement, you make the call -

1. Do nothing, get out of her way so that she has an unimpeded path to the political candidate.

2. Stop her violent rush as best you can, all the while calling out for the cops.

Let's say you choose Option 2. Even as you restrain Valle and bring her to the ground, she continues to struggle to charge the candidate.

Do you change your mind and let her get up to continue her assault or do you hold her down?

If you choose to hold her down, how do you hold her down? Do you use your hands, do you put a knee into her back, do you put a foot on her neck, back, head?

Valle tried a surprise attack on Paul. The people reacting were trying to protect themselves first as Vallee tried to head butt her way through the crowd, then they might have realized that Paul was the intended target.

But even in the surprise of an adrenaline filled moment they chose responses that were not particularly extreme - they were simply restraints. An extreme response, but still one that might be expected under those circumstances, would have been to kick her senseless to make sure she stayed down.

You may see it differently, but I think she should be charged with assault. The guy using his foot to hold her down might not fare well in court but his reaction is not outside of the normal range of reactions in a situation like this.

Hey I understand how you feel, everytime I read one of your self aggrandizing wall of bullshit posts that's usually mixed with some anecdote about you foldger holding some expresso I feel like doing that to you. I wouldn't ever but man do I feel like it.
 
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PJABBER

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Hey I understand how you feel, everytime I read one of your self aggrandizing wall of bullshit posts that's usually mixed with some anecdote about you foldger holding some expresso I feel like doing that to you. I wouldn't ever but man do I feel like it.

LOL! What's a "foldger"?
 
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Perknose

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That said, I find it unwise to make any association between her attackers and Rand Paul's organization.
Kentucky Stomper Identified As Paul's Bourbon County Coordinator

The Rand Paul campaign has just severed ties with their Bourbon County coordinator -- a man by the name of Tim Profitt -- who has identified himself as the supporter who stomped on the head and neck of a MoveOn activist outside of the Senate debate in Lexington, KY last night, according to Fox News.
With all the lying, fake supporters, and election fraud coming out of the left this election can we even be sure the person who did the stomping wasn't a plant from the Democrats?

Lol, FNE, the crazed conspiracy theory which you wished to float here has been busted by reality. Now go take your meds.

Oh, and PJ, looks like we have the true identity of the paid provocateur now, Tim Profitt, Borbon County Rand Paul campaign coordinator!
 

spacejamz

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Lol, FNE, the crazed conspiracy theory which you wished to float here has been busted by reality. Now go take your meds.

Oh, and PJ, looks like we have the true identity of the paid provocateur now, Tim Profitt, Borbon County Rand Paul campaign coordinator!

how is he the provacateur again?
 

Joemonkey

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Lol, FNE, the crazed conspiracy theory which you wished to float here has been busted by reality. Now go take your meds.

Oh, and PJ, looks like we have the true identity of the paid provocateur now, Tim Profitt, Borbon County Rand Paul campaign coordinator!

yeah, it was all a conspiracy!

http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/10/identity-of-curbstomper-possibly.html

And the curbstomper was listed in the full page Rand Paul herald leader ad too

http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/10/full-page-ad-in-herald-leader-today.html

and the girl apparently has a concussion from the "shoulder" stomp...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...on-police-hope-to-identify-suspects-today.php

Here's the guy that grabbed her and wrestled her to the ground

http://www.lisagraas.com/2010/10/paul-supporter-who-wrestled-woman-to.html

and here's his page on a rand paul meetup site

http://www.meetup.com/ronpaul-146/members/4459867/

some of his interests... rofl

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OrByte

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But it is important to identify when someone is a professional at provocation and is being paid to go someplace specifically to agitate and disrupt....
sounds familiar....

hmmmmm.....

jeez, reminds me of SOME people around here! :p
 

Perknose

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how is he the provacateur again?

I was mostly throwing PJ's inflated weasel rhetoric back in his face. If she's a paid provocateur, then I guess it's fair to call Proffitt and his boys the same, as they may have even provoked the whole incident.

According to Valle, several men surrounded her before Paul arrived at the event in Lexington last night.


"They surrounded me," she said. "There were about five of them, they started motioning to each other, and they got behind me."
According to Valle, her partner, whom she identified as Alex, overheard the men threaten "we're here to do crowd control and we might have to take someone out."


"Rand Paul's car arrived, and as soon as it did, a couple of them stepped right in front of me and so I stepped off the curb to get around them, back out to the front, and at that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit, and the point at which they see the footage is after I've run all the way around the car and am in front of the car and that is when they take me down," Valle said.
As you can see from the footage...one or two people twisted my arms behind my back and took me down. I got into the [inaudible] position to protect myself and it was about two or three seconds after that that another person stomped on my head. I lay there for 20 seconds or so and then my partner Alex came and got me up and that's the point at which there's that media clip that is out of me speaking.​
Valle said that about five minutes elapsed before the police arrived, at which point the attackers were gone. But she was questioned for about an hour nonetheless.


"The person that stomped me, I recognized him from other events. There are a few men that I know initiated the, sort of, the round up...that premeditated it."

Oh, hell, if she's a paid provocateur, then let's call them the Gestapo Goon Squad.

MLK was also a paid provocateur, though the racist redneck ****** haters preferred the term "outside agitator."

Or, you know, you could get PJ to disavow his deliberately inflammatory asshole weasel labels and I'd be more than glad to do the same. :thumbsup: