Video of Virginia Man Being Arrested For Remaining Silent and Not Showing I.D.

[jlee]

whaaa?




this man did nothing wrong. the arrest was unlawful. he should win a decent settlement.

though i would have shown my id and carried on doing what i was doing.

And if he let the guy go and the next day a bomb went off at the FBI office, everybody would be complaining that they called the police and they did nothing.

 

[waggy]

And if he let the guy go and the next day a bomb went off at the FBI office, everybody would be complaining that they called the police and they did nothing.

And if I wasn't 5'6" i would be a NBA center.

 

[jlee]

And if I wasn't 5'6" i would be a NBA center.

Unfortunate.

 

[Nebor]

“Because you won’t talk to me, you won’t answer me, you won’t provide me with any ID.”

The irony of this phrase being immediately followed by, "You have have the right to remain silent," upon arrest is too good.

 

[Nebor]

Cops make overtime?

LOL

 

[shortylickens]

I don't know about the US but in my country if you don't have it with you, the police still have a right to identify you, like if they're searching for criminals or illegal immigrants, so they can force you to go with them (it's not an arrest since there is no charge) for proper identification.

If they had no right to identify people, all illegals could simply refuse to show ID and that would be it.

We have problems with illegals because the people in charge want them here. They need indentured servants and guaranteed votes.

 

[shortylickens]

Per VA Criminal Defense Atty Matt Pinsker, the state doesn't have a specific stop-and-ID law, but some local jurisdictions do.
This is in addition to what was already mentioned about being required to ID if there is a disturbance of the peace.
I imagine they have loitering laws too.

Point being, there are any number of ways an officer could justify the need for your ID. Disagree with his justification? Fine, but that's for the court to decide, not you at the scene.

Agreed, dont start shit with cops. Sue them later if you really think you were abused. If you dont feel like getting a lawyer, then obviously you dont really care.

And since I drive everywhere, I always have at least one form of I.D. with me.

 

[Brainonska511]

Agreed, dont start shit with cops. Sue them later if you really think you were abused. If you dont feel like getting a lawyer, then obviously you dont really care.

I don't know if you've checked the price for lawyers lately, but it isn't cheap to enforce your rights through the judicial system. And just because you can't readily afford to enforce your rights through the judicial system doesn't mean you should abandon your rights.

 

[JSt0rm]

This guy has a pretty good case. And as soon as people realize they can film the cops molesting thier rights you are gonna see loads of municipalities walking themselves into lawsuits via dumb cops.

 

[twinrider1]

This guy has a pretty good case. ...

Really? Not just you, but all the people crying foul here. Based on what? You know the local jurisdiction doesn't have local law on loitering or stop and ID? You know what constitutes a disturbance of the peace in that jurisdiction?

I sure don't. So I'm in no position to say if the officer is in the right or not....and neither are any of you.


quick to judge
quick to anger
slow to understand

 

[CPA]

Do you have to carry id around with you at all times?

If you're driving yes, otherwise, no.

 

[CZroe]

I don't know about the US but in my country if you don't have it with you, the police still have a right to identify you, like if they're searching for criminals or illegal immigrants, so they can force you to go with them (it's not an arrest since there is no charge) for proper identification.



If they had no right to identify people, all illegals could simply refuse to show ID and that would be it.

It's an arrest because they impeded your freedom of movement. In my field we are taught that even touching someone can get you charged with false arrest because they can claim that you restricted their movement. Citizens can't charge people but they can make a citizen's arrest, so it can be an arrest without charge.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Cops are bashed for not identifying and tracking down criminals.

Cops are bashed for asking for identification.

 

[Mai72]

Bunch of freedom hating pussies in this thread.

We should do whatever the cops say!! If a cop tells me to jump for the sky I'm going to say "how high?!"

They always right.

 

[Gerle]

I carry my ID even when I go for my bike rides.

Why? And also, why did you tell us this?

 

[JSt0rm]

Really? Not just you, but all the people crying foul here. Based on what? You know the local jurisdiction doesn't have local law on loitering or stop and ID? You know what constitutes a disturbance of the peace in that jurisdiction?

I sure don't. So I'm in no position to say if the officer is in the right or not....and neither are any of you.


quick to judge
quick to anger
slow to understand

Tell it to the judge.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Why? And also, why did you tell us this?

Why, so maybe if I get hit or something bad happens they know who I am. I always have ID on me, its not that tough to do.

 

[rh71]

IMO if you're out intentionally drawing attention to yourself by doing something that reasonable people might find suspicious (outside an FBI facility no less) you lose the right to play the 'I don't have to identify myself' card. This is not the same as being harassed on the street for no reason, you don't get to simply walk away from the consequences of the situation you created simply because your behavior wasn't illegal.

He should really find something better to do with his life. You aren't going to effect any change pulling stupid stunts like this, you're just going to make your life difficult.

Agreed - it's a fricken federal building. It's as stupid as open carrying a rifle in an airport just because you can. Why doesn't he just dress up as a muslim-looking guy and start filming all the tourist sites while screaming "allah" this and that? These people need to be slapped in the face repeatedly.

Hammond says in various posts that he was working on a project dealing with filming federal buildings.

It's a "see what happens when I do this" kind of project. Brilliant. I guess on the plus side everyone knows his name now. Way to act like a 17 year old.

 

[BoomerD]

And if I wasn't 5'6" i would be a NBA center.

But when you're not standing on your tip-toes, you're only 5'3"...and you're STILL not an NBA center.

Fucking manlet.

 

[Bock]

Cops can detain you for a certain amount of time as to ascertain your identity. People with warrants commonly refuse to provide ID, so yeah it's completely legal.

 

[Gerle]

Why, so maybe if I get hit or something bad happens they know who I am. I always have ID on me, its not that tough to do.

Good reasoning. So it has no bearing on this case then?

 

[KeithTalent]

Or you could just show your id and move on with your life.

This. Never understood making a mountain out of a molehill like that.

KT

 

[OutHouse]

In my field we are taught that even touching someone can get you charged with false arrest

Mall cop? You gotta be a mall a
Cop because you don't know the difference between being detained and being arrested.

 

[CZroe]

Mall cop? You gotta be a mall a
Cop because you don't know the difference between being detained and being arrested.

Try again. The "mall cops" (well, retail security officers) work for me as contractors. I direct them on behalf of my employer, who is not their employer. I also deal with mall security and police on a regular basis since they can operate where my guys and I cannot.

I know the definition better than you it seems. "Arrest" specifically means to detain, stop, or hold back ("Arrested Development"). It has nothing to do with it being justified. It's why people routinely ask a police officer if they are being detained (if not, they are free to go; if so, they they demand the justification for the arrest).

Charging with a crime or locking up in a cell is not required for it to be called an "arrest" and therefore argued to be an "unlawful arrest." If I wrongfully detain someone in a room and that person did nothing wrong, it doesn't matter that I didn't call the cops. It's why I have to be damned sure before authorizing security to make a "stop" (there's that word again).

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Good reasoning. So it has no bearing on this case then?

More so than anything you have posted, go figure. People started talking about carrying ID, so I posted what I posted.