Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family, kill family dog

[TechBoyJK]

SWAT doesn't run the investigations. Obviously whoever decided that the house needed to be raided didn't do their homework, but that's not SWAT's job. If a pilot is given coordinates to drop a bomb, and the bomb ends up killing innocents instead of terrorists, would you blame the pilot, or the person who ordered the attack?

This is true, but in this case there were injustices and mistakes at all levels.

Upper Management signed off of and ordered the raid. They failed here by even ordering the raid to begin with, and secondly, by allowing it to happen 8 days after the fact. A thesis could be written about these particular mistakes.

SWAT Team executed the raid, and they made many mistakes in their execution. They shot dogs. They missed and hit the wrong, living target. They acted elitist and were rough with the suspect in front of his family, acting as if they already had proof he was going to end up in jail. They kicked him while he was down. etc. etc.

So in this case, I blame both the management of the swat team, and the swat team itself. They had multiple opportunties on several levels to make this a painless, open and shut case, in a way that would have been approved by citizens.

Failure, on all levels.

The best analogy I have heard is using a sledgehammer to open a roasted peanut because they thought that maybe it might have a diamond in it. instead, they just crushed the peanut.

 

[Narmer]

This is true, but in this case there were injustices and mistakes at all levels.

Upper Management signed off of and ordered the raid. They failed here by even ordering the raid to begin with, and secondly, by allowing it to happen 8 days after the fact. A thesis could be written about these particular mistakes.

SWAT Team executed the raid, and they made many mistakes in their execution. They shot dogs. They missed and hit the wrong, living target. They acted elitist and were rough with the suspect in front of his family, acting as if they already had proof he was going to end up in jail. They kicked him while he was down. etc. etc.

So in this case, I blame both the management of the swat team, and the swat team itself. They had multiple opportunties on several levels to make this a painless, open and shut case, in a way that would have been approved by citizens.

Failure, on all levels.

The best analogy I have heard is using a sledgehammer to open a roasted peanut because they thought that maybe it might have a diamond in it. instead, they just crushed the peanut.

Wow, I can't believe my eyes. Did you just write the bolded part? How, tell me, were they supposed to treat him? With loving care? Were they to serve him pancakes or a midnight snack as well? These are police. Who gives a fuck who was watching? The guy was a suspect and, unless they did anything illegal, he deserved everything he got. Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

 

[dank69]

Wow, I can't believe my eyes. Did you just write the bolded part? How, tell me, were they supposed to treat him? With loving care? Were they to serve him pancakes or a midnight snack as well? These are police. Who gives a fuck who was watching? The guy was a suspect and, unless they did anything illegal, he deserved everything he got. Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

Yes they should have served him pancakes. Any other questions?

 

[dmcowen674]

Wow, I can't believe my eyes. Did you just write the bolded part? How, tell me, were they supposed to treat him? With loving care? Were they to serve him pancakes or a midnight snack as well? These are police. Who gives a fuck who was watching? The guy was a suspect and, unless they did anything illegal, he deserved everything he got. Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

A susect is still innocent until proven guilty.

You have no business being in this country, it's not suited for you one damn bit. Why are you here? Oh that's right because you're 12.

 

[Darwin333]

Wow, I can't believe my eyes. Did you just write the bolded part? How, tell me, were they supposed to treat him? With loving care? Were they to serve him pancakes or a midnight snack as well? These are police. Who gives a fuck who was watching? The guy was a suspect and, unless they did anything illegal, he deserved everything he got. Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

Can we start with not kicking him while he is down and your buddies have automatic weapons pointed at him (now that takes a REAL man huh)? I am pretty sure he was subdued at that point.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Wow, I can't believe my eyes. Did you just write the bolded part? How, tell me, were they supposed to treat him? With loving care? Were they to serve him pancakes or a midnight snack as well? These are police. Who gives a fuck who was watching? The guy was a suspect and, unless they did anything illegal, he deserved everything he got. Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

He was not treated nicely. What they did was illegal, and it violated the innocent victim's civil liberties. The police have presented us with zero evidence to support the idea that this guy is a criminal. I know you're going to go off and say "he was a satanic druggie doper" but the fact is the amount of marijuana residue they found equates to a ticketable offense. Small amounts of pot possesion was "decriminalized" in Columbia, MO. Notice the word structure in "deCRIMINALized". It's a civil offense, like a parking ticket or failing to use your turn signal. Even the city doesn't consider his activity criminal.

You have absolutely no business engaging in a debate about this subject if your attitude is going to be this naive and absurd. Karma suggests that a raid like this needs to happen to you, for no reason.

We was not convicted of anything. They had no actual PROOF that he was engaging in criminal behavior. All things considered, he was a citizen with no reasons to deserve harassment of any kind.

 

[CitizenKain]

Believe me when I tell you this, that guy was treated nicely compared to some of the things regular police do.

So you are saying police should be rough with everyone they pick up? Like all fascists, you seem to have this belief that anyone picked up by the police "deserved it" and are lucky they weren't summarily executed in the street.

 

[werepossum]

So you are saying police should be rough with everyone they pick up? Like all fascists, you seem to have this belief that anyone picked up by the police "deserved it" and are lucky they weren't summarily executed in the street.

That's the next step, just shoot everyone in the house and these cops will be even more safe from harm. Those who survive will be termed lucky that they only got billed for the cost of the bullet.

At least one of these men should NOT be a cop and is/are giving honest cops a very bad name. Every suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty or until he is observed by the cop threatening bodily harm to an officer or another party; you do not give up ANY rights simply because you are a suspect. Most cops know and respect this. In fact, one here in Chattanooga was actually killed with her own gun because she refused to shoot a mentally deficient man who was threatening her. (Another reason I do not have the fortitude to be a cop, I'd have blown him away before he was in arm's reach. I would NOT have shot his dog, though, on the grounds that it MIGHT come over and bite me.)

 

[ch33zw1z]

SWAT doesn't run the investigations. Obviously whoever decided that the house needed to be raided didn't do their homework, but that's not SWAT's job. If a pilot is given coordinates to drop a bomb, and the bomb ends up killing innocents instead of terrorists, would you blame the pilot, or the person who ordered the attack?

Yea, i get it. I was trying more to make the point that the regular cops and the SWAT work together, are on the same team, etc..so in the end should be blamed for the way they conducted the raid, but not for the approval of the raid itself. The SWAT team acted like a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Joepublic2]

The back story:

Columbia Tribune Story

A little more back story:
The home owner has a record with a few DUI's and a marijuana & cocaine related arrest. A CI informed police that he had a large amount of weed in his house. The cops considered him a distributor. They got a warrant to search the residence, then waited 8 days to execute the search.

The cops knocked, then 9 seconds later they shoot and wound the family's corgi. Next they proceed to the kitchen, where the family has a baby gate keeping their other dog, a pit bull, trapped in the kitchen. The cops shoot it once, then proceed to shoot it 3 or 4 more times.

CI i.e. "somebody that got caught with more than a dime bag and was strongly suggested (for leniency) to inform on someone who "might" have been in possession of a large amount of a plant that is less dangerous than ethanol and tobacco". Just to better put it into perspective.

 

[werepossum]

CI i.e. "somebody that got caught with more than a dime bag and was strongly suggested (for leniency) to inform on someone who "might" have been in possession of a large amount of a plant that is less dangerous than ethanol and tobacco". Just to better put it into perspective.

Part of the problem of turning drug dealers is that they have nothing to lose by ratting out someone that might have some drugs but a lot to lose ratting out someone they know has a LOT of drugs. If the cops find drugs the junkie will likely catch a break, but there's no added penalty if the cops merely frighten some innocent old woman or family half to death, so they roll the dice. CI-directed busts are quite often dry holes, but quite dangerous if you happen to live in that dry hole.

 

[Narmer]

A susect is still innocent until proven guilty.

You have no business being in this country, it's not suited for you one damn bit. Why are you here? Oh that's right because you're 12.

Who said he was guilty? I'm just saying these are police, not waiters. Do as your told and don't speak unless spoken to.

 

[BoberFett]

Who said he was guilty? I'm just saying these are police, not waiters. Do as your told and don't speak unless spoken to.

Just because you enjoy wearing that gimp outfit for the cops doesn't mean the rest of us enjoy letting cops have their way with us.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Just because you enjoy wearing that gimp outfit for the cops doesn't mean the rest of us enjoy letting cops have their way with us.

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