Video of Hobo being Executed released by Anonymous: Cops respond with more Brutatlity

[Sonikku]

So Anon believes in personal liberty but they are ordering us to murder cops without due process?

Yeah, methinks they are better with computers than they are with humans.

This. The case should be filed with internal affairs, whom will no doubt hold the negligent police accountable for what they've done and send them to prison.

 

[zinfamous]

well as you can see by the intelligence level of alot of people(mainly ones who still support obama)its hard to think when theres not much intelligence up there in the first place

grammar.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What the fuck? Did I stumble into P&N? Seriously what the fuck is with some of you people and ignoring the actual issue, posting just plain idiotic trash?

Welcome to last week. This has been all over the New Mexico news. I didn't share because 1/2 you guys start foaming at the mouth about shit like this.

Yes because clearly the rest of the country would be tuned into all New Mexico news. I would fucking hope it had been all over the news there.

At least I could understand your last point, this thread is evidence enough of that.

 

[Wreckem]

There are also sporadic pushes to get a uniform camera or at least a microphone on all on-duty cops. Personally I think those are a great idea, they take a lot of the he said/she said bullshit out of the equation.

Fort Worth will have 600 officers equiped with body cameras by the end of 2015. They are replacing dash mounted cameras with these cameras.

The only problem I see is the officers have the ability to turn the cameras on and off at will.

 

[ViviTheMage]

They have always been like that, probably worse back then, but now it's out in the public more. People can record stuffs with their cameras, now they have cameras on their phones.

Odd comment, this was clearly recorded by the cops and not joe shmo. I'd be curious to more details on that specific shooting with the homeless fella.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Fort Worth will have 600 officers equiped with body cameras by the end of 2015. They are replacing dash mounted cameras with these cameras.

The only problem I see is the officers have the ability to turn the cameras on and off at will.

Depends, there will probably be a statute on how they work, and what the officers are required to do with them. Kind of how you can manual turn incar cameras on/off, but if you are running code they are recording automatically...at least newer stuff does this.

 

[Ruptga]

Fort Worth will have 600 officers equiped with body cameras by the end of 2015. They are replacing dash mounted cameras with these cameras.

The only problem I see is the officers have the ability to turn the cameras on and off at will.

That would seem to defeat the purpose, but it's not entirely reasonable to record cops every moment they're on duty either. If they have any sense at all they'll make it a serious breach of regulations to not turn the camera/mic on as soon as they turn on their lights, every time they get out of the car to approach someone, etc. Actually, if I were running a PD that was refusing to use their mics/cameras, I'd make every non-recorded arrest or ticket void, that would stop it overnight.

 

[DrPizza]

That would seem to defeat the purpose, but it's not entirely reasonable to record cops every moment they're on duty either. If they have any sense at all they'll make it a serious breach of regulations to not turn the camera/mic on as soon as they turn on their lights, every time they get out of the car to approach someone, etc. Actually, if I were running a PD that was refusing to use their mics/cameras, I'd make every non-recorded arrest or ticket void, that would stop it overnight.

Agreed. And, of course, they can turn them on and off. You really think we want them to be force to record videos of themselves while going to the bathroom, etc.? Or, think of the Hawaii police officers who fought to retain the right to receive blowjobs and handjobs from known prostitutes.

 

[MarkXIX]

They have always been like that, probably worse back then, but now it's out in the public more. People can record stuffs with their cameras, now they have cameras on their phones.

I don't know if that's true. Our police have been increasingly "militarized" as a result of 9/11, school shootings, etc.

When the public has an expectation that the police force will prevent each and every preventable terrorist event, they have no choice but to become more of a military-like force.


It used to be we accepted that a crazy person who started shooting other people was crazy and that's why it happened. Now we demand that the police be prepared for every crazy person and respond in a way we see fit. Then, we get pissed when they can't distinguish between a pissed off, normal citizen and a crazy person.

 

[Miramonti]

This shooting is just one of a long list of questionable Albuquerque police shootings, who are already being investigated by the Justice Department for their trigger-happy ways.

11/27/2012: US Justice Department says it is investigating Albuquerque police over abuse allegations

 

[Pocatello]

I don't know if that's true. Our police have been increasingly "militarized" as a result of 9/11, school shootings, etc.

When the public has an expectation that the police force will prevent each and every preventable terrorist event, they have no choice but to become more of a military-like force.


It used to be we accepted that a crazy person who started shooting other people was crazy and that's why it happened. Now we demand that the police be prepared for every crazy person and respond in a way we see fit. Then, we get pissed when they can't distinguish between a pissed off, normal citizen and a crazy person.

Minorities have been complaining about police brutalities for years, long before 9/11. White people usually ignore the problems until they are the victims. In my area, the worse cops are in the reservation near by. They are notorious for beating up people.

 

[Ruptga]

I don't know if that's true. Our police have been increasingly "militarized" as a result of 9/11, school shootings, etc.

When the public has an expectation that the police force will prevent each and every preventable terrorist event, they have no choice but to become more of a military-like force.


It used to be we accepted that a crazy person who started shooting other people was crazy and that's why it happened. Now we demand that the police be prepared for every crazy person and respond in a way we see fit. Then, we get pissed when they can't distinguish between a pissed off, normal citizen and a crazy person.

Yeah, and to be more specific, this event is often listed as a serious turning point.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
What do you do when criminals are better equipped than the PD? Give them moar firepower.

Since nobody here can tell a rhetorical question from a stupid opinion, please refer to paragraph two of post #44.

 

[Ruptga]

Minorities have been complaining about police brutalities for years, long before 9/11. White people usually ignore the problems until they are the victims.

You don't need to make it about race. All people tend to ignore problems until they feel directly affected. And on the other side, how many times have you heard about some pointless uproar (such as the recent colbert thing) and wished those people weren't so eager to find something to get outraged over.

Rackum Frackum edited the wrong post.

 

[Pocatello]

Yeah, and to be more specific, this event is often listed as a serious turning point.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
What do you do when criminals are better equipped than the PD? Give them moar firepower.

Remember that most cops use their pistols to shoot, not AR-15. Most cops in the US are armed with pistols, it's been like that for a long time. Long before the North Hollywood incidence.

 

[BladeVenom]

Police should all have cameras. All arrests and conflicts should be recorded. Any not recorded and the police should automatically be considered the guilty party.

 

[Kadarin]

This shooting is just one of a long list of questionable Albuquerque police shootings, who are already being investigated by the Justice Department for their trigger-happy ways.

11/27/2012: US Justice Department says it is investigating Albuquerque police over abuse allegations

They're lagging on that investigation, apparently.

 

[MarkXIX]

You don't need to make it about race. All people tend to ignore problems until they feel directly affected. And on the other side, how many times have you heard about some pointless uproar (such as the recent colbert thing) and wished those people weren't so eager to find something to get outraged over?

No, he does, because race IS an element of policing, bottom line. That's not the same thing as saying the police are racist, but what he said is absolutely true.

It used to be that police in affluent areas had the easy job and that they didn't need or even want military grade weaponry. Now, every cop, everywhere pretty much has been allowed to consider military weapons, vehicles, and tactics, and they have. That's regardless of their actual crime statistics, and that's my point, and his. Now even affluent areas are subject to seeing armored vehicles, black attire, military style weapons, etc. "Joe the cop" isn't as common as it used to be, now it's "the force".

To answer your other question, just because a few nutjobs shot up Hollywood and the police weren't properly prepared for it does not mean that every force, everywhere should prepare for that scenario. That's where we are at though. Most police agencies use the most egregious scenarios as the de facto standard of how to conduct training. I suspect most agencies do little to "normalize" those incidents as the extremely rare occurrence that they are day-to-day in their area.

 

[MarkXIX]

Police should all have cameras. All arrests and conflicts should be recorded. Any not recorded and the police should automatically be considered the guilty party.

Because no evidence, ever, was sufficient in proving someone guilty of a crime without video tape to back it up....let's be reasonable here.

 

[Ruptga]

You missed the point of my post. Let's not make a policing issue into a race issue, because the fact is that all people tend to ignore problems until they feel personally affected. Most people don't have to deal with asshole cops except as an inconvenience, which is why most people don't take it seriously. That fact has nothing to do with being of any race.

My previous question was rhetorical, since what we did was to give them moar firepower. Overkill is the American Way. I'm not saying it's smart or proper, but that's our MO. Hijackers on planes? Ban fingernail clippers and install full body scanners. A city has an incident with armored bankrobbers? SWAT teams for every city, complete with APCs, and automatic rifles for PDs. School shootings? Ban all weapons at all times in all circumstances, expel and charge kids over pocketknives. Drug problems? Declare a war on all of it, imprison everyone possible, stay the course for decades.

Last, throwing out non-recorded arrests has less to do with proving guilt than it does with protecting citizens against convenient lapses in police oversight. It's the same rationale that makes illegally obtained evidence inadmissible in court.

 

[Miramonti]

They're lagging on that investigation, apparently.

I believe they thought this would pressure them for new policies and retraining, which it has to some degree, as well as ushered in a new police chief, but the culture remains.

 

[zanejohnson]

you see there is a worldwide phenomona happening now.....


you can pull this vid up anywhere....with different insignia on the officers uniforms...this is the first time it's been out there and the stars and stripes on the insignia......

now a wise man sees smoke thinks fire..... put it together.

this is actually happenening in more places in USA right this second.... you dont see it.... your media is controlled...

it's not a million hints at what happened during ww2 for nothing.... there's an infection, an infection of the construct, it's called genocide or holocide... or holocaust... it will grow and grow and set the planet back to what it was for billions of years before we landed here.. we gotta get home, to escape.. home.. is in the heart of split personality and schizo-effective disorder, it's all about the double slit experiment.

 

[mizzou]

Police brutality and malpractice isn't battled on the streets, it's battled in the courtroom.

To go out and riot is probably one of the most backwards things to do.

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah, and to be more specific, this event is often listed as a serious turning point.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
What do you do when criminals are better equipped than the PD? Give them moar firepower.

And how many criminals since that event have been as heavily armed?

The overwhelming police response to a single event is using a nuke to get rid of the ants at a picnic.

 

[zanejohnson]

And how many criminals since that event have been as heavily armed?

The overwhelming police response to a single event is using a nuke to get rid of the ants at a picnic.

ya know my name is boberfett.. my backpack.got jets.

 

[mizzou]

And how many criminals since that event have been as heavily armed?

The overwhelming police response to a single event is using a nuke to get rid of the ants at a picnic.

List the changes which would be considered "using a nuke to get rid of the ants"

I want you to tell me specifically what equipment officers use now (Regular street cops), and how that compares to what officers carried pre-north hollywood shootout.