VIDEO: Nixon and Bush ad

[13Gigatons]

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Digging up old Nixon agian. The ad is pretty effective but I don't think Bush has reached Nixon's level yet.

 

[Polish3d]

Crusty old 60's holdovers trying to re-live the glory days eh

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Crusty old 60's holdovers trying to re-live the glory days eh

if it was illegal then....it would still be illegal today! It is too bad you are blinded by the whole "conservatives vs liberals" mentality that you have.

 

[Polish3d]

LOL who the hell are you? Don't tell me what "I am" when you don't even know my first name.

Perhaps its you who is too into the lib vs. con thing since you automatically see my post that way.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Crusty old 60's holdovers trying to re-live the glory days eh

You know what's interesting? History is only apparent as "the glory days" from the perspective provided by many, many years. The past always seems so clear cut, it's hard to feel that past events are in any way applicable to the confusion of modern times. But that's how it always works, whether it's because time provides for reflection, or whether we simply all agree on how things happened if we talk about it long enough. But whatever the reason, events always look different when you are living them. Outright dismissing links to the past is silly, we don't really have the right perspective to judge.

I'm not saying Bush is Nixon or anything like that. But you know what they say about those who fail to learn from history. At the very least, Nixon should give us pause when we think about how much we trust the President, any President.

 

[Polish3d]

I'm not dismissing similarities, I'm just making a little barb at some of the people who have been so eager to see Iraq as a second Vietnam and George Bush as another Nixon; and their hope to defeat both in a repeat of what they consider the high time of their political movement

 

[Moonbeam]

Nixon was removed by an American people who had moral backbone and ethical spine.

Today's American are product sucking hypnagogic zombies glued to reality TV and the intravenous drip of the gas pump to their SUV.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nixon was removed by an American people who had moral backbone and ethical spine.

Today's American are product sucking hypnagogic zombies glued to reality TV and the intravenous drip of the gas pump to their SUV.

There is no draft either, that is the biggest difference.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
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Digging up old Nixon agian. The ad is pretty effective but I don't think Bush has reached Nixon's level yet.

Very well done. Pity they couldn't play it during the Superbowl.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Frackal
I'm not dismissing similarities, I'm just making a little barb at some of the people who have been so eager to see Iraq as a second Vietnam and George Bush as another Nixon; and their hope to defeat both in a repeat of what they consider the high time of their political movement

On the contrary, I consider both to be low points of American politics. I doubt there are very many people who lived through Watergate who saw it as a high point. America can be and should be better than this, if we could only drag the sheeple away from their idiot boxes and get them to pay half as much attention to America as they do Brad & Jen, Natalee Holloway, or the favorite cereals of each and every pro football player.

 

[db]

Sheeple, indeed.

 

[feralkid]

Wow frackal, you are an offensive little squirt, aren't you.

Try to discuss the topic of the thread without making an a$$ of yourself next time, mmm-kay?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Wow frackal, you are an offensive little squirt, aren't you.

Try to discuss the topic of the thread without making an a$$ of yourself next time, mmm-kay?

Little squirt :brokenheart:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Frackal
I'm not dismissing similarities, I'm just making a little barb at some of the people who have been so eager to see Iraq as a second Vietnam and George Bush as another Nixon; and their hope to defeat both in a repeat of what they consider the high time of their political movement

On the contrary, I consider both to be low points of American politics. I doubt there are very many people who lived through Watergate who saw it as a high point. America can be and should be better than this, if we could only drag the sheeple away from their idiot boxes and get them to pay half as much attention to America as they do Brad & Jen, Natalee Holloway, or the favorite cereals of each and every pro football player.

I don't know, I think some of the more extreme Bush supporters really admire Nixon. He certainly was a great example of the belief in the supreme power of the president, somehow I think some people even today would agree with the quote "If the president does it, that means it's legal". I am amazed by how many people have jumped to Bush's defense with similar logic. Not all Bush supporters, of course, but a rather disturbingly large number of them.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
The ad is pretty effective but I don't think Bush has reached Nixon's level yet.

That would only be true if Bush had made it back UP to Nixon's level. Ask someone who really knows, like Nixon's Whitehouse Counsel, John Dean. Here's one paragraph from the preface to his book author of "Worse Than Watergate."

To compare the Bush-Cheney presidency with Nixon's tenure and Watergate and assert that it is worse than Watergate is not a charge to be made lightly. Nor do I?Watergate symbolizes totally unacceptable presidential behavior. Dictionary definitions of the term Watergate typically describe this unacceptable conduct as the abuse of presidential power, or high office, for political purposes. Watergate, of course, was a very messy presidential scandal and a political disaster for Nixon. Certainly no comparable scandal has occurred during the Bush-Cheney tenure?at least not yet. Scandals have a way of smoldering before erupting, as has occurred with every major presidential scandal?Teapot Dome, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and L'affaire Lewinsky. There are simply too many problems rumbling just below the surface of the Bush-Cheney presidency to avoid making the comparison.

Read more, and learn something about how truly evil the Bushwhackos really are. :|

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Read more, and learn something about how truly evil the Bushwhackos really are. :|

Do you believe that crap? No one can intelligently make those accusations, unless they really know something of the situation. I don't like Bush, but to say that he acted immorally is crazy. No scandals will come out after this long, with this many people looking and hoping for one... Unless he umm gets "some," if you know what I mean.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: feralkid
Wow frackal, you are an offensive little squirt, aren't you.

Try to discuss the topic of the thread without making an a$$ of yourself next time, mmm-kay?

Little squirt :brokenheart:

Sorry, maybe you are an offensive large squirt.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Do you believe that crap? No one can intelligently make those accusations, unless they really know something of the situation. I don't like Bush, but to say that he acted immorally is crazy.

I'm old enough to remember seeing that footage of Nixon the first time. I remember Nixon, John Dean and that whole lying pack of scum, and if anyone is qualified to say the Bushwhackos are worse, it's John Dean.

In the video, Nixon said that, when the President does it, it's not illegal. That's the exactly same crap Bush said, only this time, the Fourth Amendment was backed up and implemented by the FISA statute defining the methodology for getting the required warrants.

No scandals will come out after this long, with this many people looking and hoping for one... Unless he umm gets "some," if you know what I mean.

Shredding the Constitution by spying on American citizens without a warrant is illegal and immoral. So is starting a war based entirely on lies. So is imprisoning American citizens indefinitely with no access to legal cousel or a court hearing about their case. So is disclosing the identity of a covert CIA agent for political gamesmanship. So is claiming the right to torture prisoners.

Those ARE scandals, and they're already out. This adminstration is an embarrassment to the entire nation, and they are fscking dangerous. Bush is not just worse than Nixon. He's a wannabe [/i]führer[/i] whose administraton is perilously close to Hitler's nazis. :|

That's not crazy. That's real.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nixon was removed by an American people who had moral backbone and ethical spine.

Today's American are product sucking hypnagogic zombies glued to reality TV and the intravenous drip of the gas pump to their SUV.

There is no draft either, that is the biggest difference.

Much to the dismay of the modern day liberal........

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Wow frackal, you are an offensive little squirt, aren't you.

Try to discuss the topic of the thread without making an a$$ of yourself next time, mmm-kay?

Um.....wah!

 

[feralkid]

Cornhole's in the house!

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Cornhole's in the house!

Don't get me started.

:evil:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Frackal
I'm not dismissing similarities, I'm just making a little barb at some of the people who have been so eager to see Iraq as a second Vietnam and George Bush as another Nixon

Iraq is a different fiasco from Vietnam, but the comparisons are valid. No need to restate the whole list in this thread. The comparison to Nixon is also valid, but what scares me more is how closely this administration's actions parallel those of the nazis in Germany before WW II. :|

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

There is no draft either, that is the biggest difference.

Much to the dismay of the modern day liberal........

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