VIDEO: Jesse Ventura CONFIRMS domestic spying, concentration camps, HR 645 and more

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Zebo

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You haven't climbed very many barbed wire fences have you? Trust me, if you can get over one, you can get over the other. My real point is that these fences are not really some insane barrier to freedom that is going to hopelessly trap helpless Americans imprisoned by their government, and if they are the basis for the idea, than the whole idea is poppycock.

Not easy when you electrify the fences and sentry a guys with machine guns every 100 yrds.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Standard human response to be defensive and hesitant when under verbal assault when you're not fully certain that your ass is covered, like you'd find with a couple of administrative peons leaving their desks to talk to cameras without specific direction from the CEO that they have his full confidence.
There's a reason companies hire out PR.
So, you edit out their actual answers and what you have left is a mess of defensiveness.
You did know that there was such thing as editing of video, right?


You want to see questions not get answered? Go with a camera crew to a military base and try to question the gate guards. Ha! They will, quite literally, not give you the time of day.
This doesn't mean that they're hiding anything. Cameras just negate the casualness of the encounter, and any gate guard is well aware that he is not an official spokesperson for military policy. And to let your concentration be so taken would violate the General Orders of a Sentry.

thats entirely possible.
 
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Stop calling him a SEAL. He was never a SEAL. He was a UDT and was out of the Navy before UDT joined the SEALs. He also never saw combat.

As much as I like him in Predator and The Running Man, he's a whacko.
 

BeauJangles

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Stop calling him a SEAL. He was never a SEAL. He was a UDT and was out of the Navy before UDT joined the SEALs. He also never saw combat.

As much as I like him in Predator and The Running Man, he's a whacko.

I'd also like to point out that just because he was something of an elite soldier ~50 years ago doesn't make him privy to present-day state secrets. It's not like there's a "What Illegal Shit the Government is Doing Today" newsletter that is distributed to everyone who at one time held any sort of clearance.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Stop calling him a SEAL. He was never a SEAL. He was a UDT and was out of the Navy before UDT joined the SEALs. He also never saw combat.

As much as I like him in Predator and The Running Man, he's a whacko.

Do you dishonor every servicemen that wasn't "shot at" like this? He was part of an underwater demolition team that was later absorbed by the seals does that mean he wasn't highly trained? That he didn't put his life on the line? That he wasn't ready to die for his country?
 
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IceBergSLiM

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I'd also like to point out that just because he was something of an elite soldier ~50 years ago doesn't make him privy to present-day state secrets. It's not like there's a "What Illegal Shit the Government is Doing Today" newsletter that is distributed to everyone who at one time held any sort of clearance.

He never claims he is privy to insider information. Nobody claimed that at all.
 

xj0hnx

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Do you dishonor every servicemen that wasn't "shot at" like this? He was part of an underwater demolition team that was later absorbed by the seals does that mean he wasn't highly trained? That he didn't put his life on the line? That he wasn't ready to die for his country?

It is fairly disingenuous for him to call himself a SEAL when he wasn't, or to continue to let commentators, narrators, interviewers, etc call him a SEAL, or to use the notoriety of the SEALs to further his career. Yes UDT's where highly trained, yes, he did put his life on the line, and was willing to die for his country, but so is an 11B infantry man, that doesn't mean he can call himself a Ranger, or a 21B call himself a Sapper. There is more to achieving the title SEAL, Ranger, Sapper than being in a unit that was absorbed by them, there's a specific skill set, and a dedication to finishing the courses, and becoming the leader they train you to be.
 

IceBergSLiM

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It is fairly disingenuous for him to call himself a SEAL when he wasn't, or to continue to let commentators, narrators, interviewers, etc call him a SEAL, or to use the notoriety of the SEALs to further his career. Yes UDT's where highly trained, yes, he did put his life on the line, and was willing to die for his country, but so is an 11B infantry man, that doesn't mean he can call himself a Ranger, or a 21B call himself a Sapper. There is more to achieving the title SEAL, Ranger, Sapper than being in a unit that was absorbed by them, there's a specific skill set, and a dedication to finishing the courses, and becoming the leader they train you to be.

I don't agree it's disingenuous at all. seams like they are accepted as one in the same.

http://www.navysealmuseum.com/
 

xj0hnx

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I don't agree it's disingenuous at all. seams like they are accepted as one in the same.

http://www.navysealmuseum.com/

Now they are, when he went through they weren't, they didn't absorb the UDT until what? 8 years after he got out? If he didn't go through SEAL training/qualification, how was he a SEAL? I guess one good question would be did the UDT that got absorbed have to do any additional training or qualification to become full SEAL team members?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Now they are, when he went through they weren't, they didn't absorb the UDT until what? 8 years after he got out? If he didn't go through SEAL training/qualification, how was he a SEAL? I guess one good question would be did the UDT that got absorbed have to do any additional training or qualification to become full SEAL team members?

I think we're splitting hairs. he was involved in UDT during a time when they were evolving into the Official navy seal. Put it another way if you work for company A and Company B comes along and buy company A out...is it disingenous to say you work for company B. No not really because company A doesn't exist anymore.

This is way off topic and quite irrelevant in any case and I don't think it impacts anything in this discussion.
 

IceBergSLiM

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I'm a Ranger... I say Ventura is a batshit crazy fuck bag. I've seen actual combat. By your own standards, you should listen to me more than him.

He's also been a mayor, govenor, successful entertainer, spokesperson, commentator, published author and has his own tv show. So...???? Even if you weren't full of shit he has still got a more substantial professional history than yourself. thanks.
 

PeshakJang

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He's also been a mayor, govenor, successful entertainer, spokesperson, commentator, published author and has his own tv show. So...???? Even if you weren't full of shit he has still got a more substantial professional history than yourself. thanks.

You forgot bat shit crazy fuck bag conspiracy nut on there.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Why do the whack-job threads get the most posts on this forum?

because very little debate actually occurs. Its usually strawman/ad hominem/kill the messenger and scream until I can't hear anyone anymore.

People walk into the thread with minds and eyes closed. like you have.
 

xj0hnx

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I think we're splitting hairs. he was involved in UDT during a time when they were evolving into the Official navy seal. Put it another way if you work for company A and Company B comes along and buy company A out...is it disingenous to say you work for company B. No not really because company A doesn't exist anymore.

This is way off topic and quite irrelevant in any case and I don't think it impacts anything in this discussion.

Um, yea, it is disingenuous if you quit working for Company A 8 years before they were bought out by Company B, and if you didn't do the training that Company B gives their employees.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Um, yea, it is disingenuous if you quit working for Company A 8 years before they were bought out by Company B, and if you didn't do the training that Company B gives their employees.

we can agree to disagree on this matter.
 

Josh

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I don't get my news from a former WWF wrestler.

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Fern

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Inward facing barbed wire at the top of a fence is often the law in many places. You must install the barbed wire that way, you have no choice.

Particularly if the fence is at the edge of your property and outward facing barbed wire would overhang public property, or your neighbor's property. Such as, if the barbed wire would overhang a sidewalk. You can't install it that way.An example of city code which says the barbed wire must slant away from adjacent property:

(c) Barbed Wire. Where permitted by regulations of this chapter, barbed wire may be installed at the top of a fence if not more than three (3) strands are used, and if the lowest strand is at least six (6) feet above the adjoining ground. In the case of a fence located less than four (4) feet from a public sidewalk or a Residential District line, the vertical supports for the strands shall slant away from the nearest property line at an angle of not less than 45°. Such barbed wire may be placed above the otherwise applicable height limit for the fence to which it is attached. Any barbed wire fence not conforming to any provision of this chapter regarding barbed wire fences shall be made to conform or shall be removed no later than December 31, 2001.

Another city ordinance:

True. But that's for private property. These things are on military bases and they can slant the fence any way they want. City/county rules do not apply to military.

The reason public building code mandate inward slanting is in the bolded portion above.

Fern
 

Fern

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Most of the show is over the top, expected from Jessie.
A few things that do need answering .

The council of governors is troubling.
Read the link below on the background for where the executive order came from . A lot of it was not brought out by the press because it seemed innocent at the time it passed as smaller acts that build on the creation of the council .
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/01...of-those-dots-on-obamas-council-of-governors/

From your link:

In a political move that received little if any attention by the American news media, the United States and Canada entered into a military agreement on February 14, 2008, allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis, according to a police commander involved in homeland security planning and implementation.

It is an initiative of the Bi-National Planning Group whose final report, issued in June 2006, called for the creation of a “Comprehensive Defense and Security Agreement,” or a “continental approach” to Canada-US defense and security.

The law enforcement executive told Newswithviews.com… that the agreement — defined as a Civil Assistance Plan — was not submitted to Congress for debate and approval, nor did Congress pass any law or treaty specifically authorizing this military agreement to combine the operations of the armed forces of the United States and Canada in the event of domestic civil disturbances ranging from violent storms, to health epidemics, to civil riots or terrorist attacks.

“This is a military plan that’s designed to bypass the Posse Comitatus Act that traditionally prohibited the US military from operating within the borders of the United States. Not only will American soldiers be deployed at the discretion of whomever is sitting in the Oval Office, but foreign soldiers will also be deployed in American cities,” warns Lt. Steven Rodgers, commander of the Nutley, NJ Police Department’s detective bureau.

If true, that's some crazy sh!t.

Fern
 

JSt0rm

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I find it interesting that when the neoconservative fascists are presented with some kind of information about the government doing something possibly Orwellian they jump to its defense. But if people get food stamps and healthcare commies are taking over. How does it feel to be so stupid?
 

KDOG

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Uh we kinda go off on a tangent of namecalling and what not. We should probably get back on topic.....

I have a somewhat legit scenario that could explain SOME of what we saw.... (lets face it, the congressman playing stupid and changing his story is enough to make some say hey wait there's something going on here....)

Anyway, It could be far more serious than we think. Its no secret that the planet is RIPE for a catastrophic pandemic. If (or when, really) we get hit with it, it going to be so bad we are talking deaths in the upper tens of MILLIONS or even HIGHER, say maybe even a third to possibly HALF of the population. I get that info from a show that aired on THC a while back called "After Armageddon" which had legit professors and experts talking about such a thing. It was also really good, I recommend everyone see it. Anyway, there would be an absolute TOTAL breakdown of society of course. THere would be all these bodies and no way to get them buried. Those "coffins" may just that. They are designed to hold 4-6 bodies which would make incinerating them much more efficient, since you would HAVE to do that to the best of your ability to keep the terrible disease and sickness that the dead bodies carry to a minimum. Now the detention facilities are little more interesting. I don't know if they are there to keep people in or out. The fencing seems to indicate its to keep people IN. It could be for illegals, it could be for others. Some of the people that he showed getting put on watch lists are just crazy. Thats' definetly something that needs to be looked into.... They could also be for unaffected families to stay. Now they would want to keep them in so they don't go out and get in the way of authorities with their panic over homes and loved ones, then possibly bring the bug back to the center. I do think the gov't needs to explain this some more.

The fact about that whole "Council of Governors" with these 10 states and 10 leaders thing is greatly disturbing and how those "fusion centers" have basically NO oversight is VERY disturbing. We should ALL - right or left - be questioning our congressmen on that.

Why would the gov't be wanting to keep all this a secret? Panic. And a very sad, sobering and terrifying reality. It may very well be that the US govt KNOWS a global pandemic is close or on its way and that THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT an millions of us are going to die. So this is all some kind of attempt to be able to maintain SOME kind of control.

I really don't know, cuz if this was all being done for our benefit, why wouldn't they at least make SOME mention of it seeing as people can drive right up to these places. I just see it as odd that our liberties are being eroded (patriot act, stricter gun laws and confiscation, free speech being stifled or watched, etc) and these things are happening alongside them. But for some reason that 10 state/10 ruler thing has got under my skin, sounds like something out of the book of revelations or something....

Gotta admit there is something to some of this....
 

PeshakJang

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I find it interesting that when the neoconservative fascists are presented with some kind of information about the government doing something possibly Orwellian they jump to its defense. But if people get food stamps and healthcare commies are taking over. How does it feel to be so stupid?

Quoted as another guy who obviously believes 9/11 was an inside job.