Video Emerges Showing Police Intimidating Girlfriend of Man Killed by Cops in Walmart

[Genx87]

It amazes me when people defend the police shooting people when they didnt need to be shot. Especially in these two cases where the police gave literally no time for victims to react.

 

[master_shake_]

It amazes me when people defend the police shooting people when they didnt need to be shot. Especially in these two cases where the police gave literally no time for victims to react.

especially when the cops drag the girlfriend of the victim down to the station and berate her trying to justify the murder.

can't argue with these fools.

 

[Subyman]

I'm just wondering when the police stopped trying to talk to the people first. "You are surrounded, put the gun down." Back in the 90's people could sit out on a lawn chair in the middle of an intersection with a revolver and the worse they got was a sniper shooting the gun out of their hand. These days, the first cop on the scene would just run over the guy at 90mph.

I guess I don't understand the gungho nature of the police force. No one was around the kid, he wasn't holding a hostage. No need to blaze in and gun him down. Its best to try to establish contact and try to end it peacefully. I'm sure the kid probably would have put down the BB gun if given a chance when confronted by armed police.

 

[master_shake_]

police are easy to explain.

back then it was serve and protect.

now it's we are the enemy.

and the ongoing militarization really shows that they think this is an us vs them war.

 

[Genx87]

I'm just wondering when the police stopped trying to talk to the people first. "You are surrounded, put the gun down." Back in the 90's people could sit out on a lawn chair in the middle of an intersection with a revolver and the worse they got was a sniper shooting the gun out of their hand. These days, the first cop on the scene would just run over the guy at 90mph.

I guess I don't understand the gungho nature of the police force. No one was around the kid, he wasn't holding a hostage. No need to blaze in and gun him down. Its best to try to establish contact and try to end it peacefully. I'm sure the kid probably would have put down the BB gun if given a chance when confronted by armed police.

What would the military do? Because that is how our civilian police forces are being trained now. The result is a 12 year old brandishing a pellet gun in a park is shot dead by a cop within seconds of showing up on the scene that was kicked off another force for being untrainable. The cop shot from the car for crying out loud. Or a guy walking through Walmart is shot immediately even though the store is not in a panic from this weapon.

30 years ago as kids we would roam our neighborhood with plastic guns that looked realistic playing army. Today we would have a high chance of being mowed down by our local police force. And all our memories would get from the police union rep is "we should obey the commands from the officer or expect to get shot". Never mind in these situations the victims had seconds to obey a command before they opened fire. Or haul our parents in to berate and threaten them with jail time to justify mowing us down.

 

[CitizenKain]

I guess some people were never taught to never display a weapon in a threatening manner as it will be considered such by the police. My father taught me that when I got my bb gun in 1966.

The police received a 911 call reporting a person was brandishing a weapon in the Walmart. The person turned towards the police gun still in hand. Had he left the gun in the sporting goods department in it's box this chances of him being shot would be very slim to not at all.

Kid that was shot within 2 seconds had been previously pointing the pistol in a threatening manner at people prior to the police arriving, he also chose not to raise his arms as directed and began moving his hands towards the gun which was at his waist.

I know you are dishonest person, but repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

The amount of time Crawford had from "Put the gun down" and being shot was less then a second. The amount of time your heroes waited before murdering a 12 year old was the same. Hell, they shot him from inside the car.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Back 30 or 40 years ago the police didn't have to worry about gangbangers (shooting someone as part of initiation) or people who have no qualms with shooting anyone including a police officer. Back then it was not uncommon to go to a high school parking lot during hunting season and see guns in a window rack of a pickup truck or in a car trunk. No one ever thought of shooting up a school or randomly shooting a person, that is not the case today.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know you are dishonest person, but repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

The amount of time Crawford had from "Put the gun down" and being shot was less then a second. The amount of time your heroes waited before murdering a 12 year old was the same. Hell, they shot him from inside the car.

So are you saying the police car did not have a PA system? I haven't seen one since the 70's that wasn't equipped with one.

 

[Genx87]

Back 30 or 40 years ago the police didn't have to worry about gangbangers (shooting someone as part of initiation) or people who have no qualms with shooting anyone including a police officer. Back then it was not uncommon to go to a high school parking lot during hunting season and see guns in a window rack of a pickup truck or in a car trunk. No one ever thought of shooting up a school or randomly shooting a person, that is not the case today.

30-40 years ago the chances of gang bangers shooting and other violent crime was much higher.

 

[Jaskalas]

Establishing a calmer, safer protocol than just immediately shooting, when no threats have been made, no shots fired. Sounds better for avoiding wrongful deaths.

 

[Rebel44]

Establishing a calmer, safer protocol than just immediately shooting, when no threats have been made, no shots fired. Sounds better for avoiding wrongful deaths.

Agreed. If cops in other countries can do it, overpaid US cops, who are equiped better than some armies, should be able to do it too.

 

[bradley]

I know you are dishonest person, but repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

The amount of time Crawford had from "Put the gun down" and being shot was less then a second. The amount of time your heroes waited before murdering a 12 year old was the same. Hell, they shot him from inside the car.

The surveillance footage demonstrates the truth. John Crawford never waved the gun at a solitary human, only shelf merchandise which he redirects with the fake gun's nozzle.

When police confront Mr. Crawford, the only objects in his line of sight are store shelving and inanimate merchandise. Therefore Mr. Crawford never sees the officer to his front, nor does he ever turn to confront the one to his left.

Police never bothered to properly identify themselves or articulate any genuine commands. How about: "Police! Hands up and drop the weapon!"? They never even bothered to properly assess the situation or clear the scene.

Instead these lazy neanderthals simultaneously bark the arbitrary command "get down" while recklessly firing two shots (across a busy automatic door) toward center mass. They give John Crawford ZERO time to comply.

The offending officer needs to be charged with criminally negligent manslaughter and reckless endangerment, ASAP.

All of the facts have already been dissected and bisected in the below thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2394534

 

[Oyeve]

30-40 years ago the chances of gang bangers shooting and other violent crime was much higher.

WTF are you talking about? 30-40 years ago it was way worse out there and the pigs didnt shoot before warning. Look up history. 30-40 hell even 50 years ago shools were shot up.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

30-40 years ago the chances of gang bangers shooting and other violent crime was much higher.

Not in small town/cities or rural areas. That's not the case these days.

 

[Genx87]

Not in small town/cities or rural areas. That's not the case these days.

Im not sure what being in a small town or rural area has to do with the fact violent crime is down as a whole across our nation from 30 years ago.

But anyways the govt does track crime information and splices it out by community type. For homicide rates rural and small cities have declined slightly while remaining below those of larger cities. Larger cities saw a large drop in the amount of homicides.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hus11.pdf

Violent crime and propert damage is also down.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv13.pdf

So 30 years ago the cops should had been more on point than today. And is certainly no reason for why cops shoot first and ask questions later in too many cases.

 

[Genx87]

WTF are you talking about? 30-40 years ago it was way worse out there and the pigs didnt shoot before warning. Look up history. 30-40 hell even 50 years ago shools were shot up.

Yes that was my point. 30 years ago we had much more violent crime. Yet I was able to run around a neighborhood with plastic military looking guns playing army without the local police coming out to mow me and my friends down in a barrage of bullets from a squad car.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So are you saying the police car did not have a PA system? I haven't seen one since the 70's that wasn't equipped with one.

There definitely were gangs in the 80s and there definitely were gang shooting.

To me the problem is Police Departments keep hiring former Military guys. Currently there is too narrow life experiences to round out departments.
The Army always says they should not be used as a police force, its not what they do. Why does it make sense to constantly hire former Military to be Police?

 

[Darwin333]

The guy was a idiot for picking that gun up, BB gun or not. Wtf did he not think that someone may think its real and then call the cops ? Darwin award right there.

Also watch the OTHER people in the video and how they react when they see him with a gun, none of them think its "cute" and "sweet", no they haul ass asap. And the cops thought it was real, how would they not think that ? They didnt view the tape until after the fact.

Darwin award has his name on it.

How else are you going to purchase the item located on Walmarts shelf? You could say that waving it around was a bad idea but picking, I assume to purchase it????

The cops handled that situation horribly badly. There was NO reason for anyone to open fire and plenty of other tools in their toolbox they should have used first (like talking to him and giving him enough time to process what they were saying while remaining behind cover).

 

[Darwin333]

by brandish you mean point at floor and walk around?

again the guy who called 911 lied about what crawford was actually doing with the gun.

cops see a black guy with gun in open carry state and then kill in cold blood.

I don't know what video you were watching but I definitely saw him threatening deadly force on some dog food. Does dog food have no right to protect itself anymore???

 

[Darwin333]

There definitely were gangs in the 80s and there definitely were gang shooting.

To me the problem is Police Departments keep hiring former Military guys. Currently there is too narrow life experiences to round out departments.
The Army always says they should not be used as a police force, its not what they do. Why does it make sense to constantly hire former Military to be Police?

I know its purely anecdotal but I have heard from numerous people that police officers that are also reservists were the real "cowboys" when deployed. The regular military guys hated working with them because they put everyone else in danger and had a huge "shoot first and figure out if shooting needed to happen later" mentality.

Real .mil guys are trained, usually VERY well, to follow orders. I wonder if there has ever been a study on how many citations/complaints ex-mil cops receive versus regular cops? It would be an interesting read.

 

[mizzou]

WTF are you talking about? 30-40 years ago it was way worse out there and the pigs didnt shoot before warning. Look up history. 30-40 hell even 50 years ago shools were shot up.

Post columbine, the % of mass shootings in the US has skyrocketed
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-shooter-incidents-rising-fbi-finds/16158921/


combine a bad economy, a stagnation of psychiatric care facilities, and an ever-persistent in your face connected world, you get all those mentally unstable people riled up.



School shootings do NOT = crime. Most mass shooting events involve mental instability. When was the last time we saw a school shot up over some crack?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I know its purely anecdotal but I have heard from numerous people that police officers that are also reservists were the real "cowboys" when deployed. The regular military guys hated working with them because they put everyone else in danger and had a huge "shoot first and figure out if shooting needed to happen later" mentality.

Real .mil guys are trained, usually VERY well, to follow orders. I wonder if there has ever been a study on how many citations/complaints ex-mil cops receive versus regular cops? It would be an interesting read.

A guy I went to school with became a Cop and this is more or less what he said 6 years ago. I'm not trying to put down military guys, Police Departments are like any other business if you have too many of the same type employees you end up lacking in one area.
Another point he mentioned was 20 years ago many Cops would have been criminals if they didn't enter the force. The Military guys added a more career oriented, hard work ethic that cleaned up the force.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Does anyone here want to discuss the thread topic and the shit treatment of this guy's grieving girlfriend? We already have a rather large thread discussing the initial shooting. Or are we going to let the cops on ATPN hijack the discussion?

 

[master_shake_]

Does anyone here want to discuss the thread topic and the shit treatment of this guy's grieving girlfriend? We already have a rather large thread discussing the initial shooting. Or are we going to let the cops on ATPN hijack the discussion?

it's kind of disgusting that they tried sooooo hard to get her to justify their murder.

berating her to just give them something they can call "evidence".

and while her boyfirend was shot dead she was talking to him i don't think you can ever get over that.

that kind of helplessness is terrible, when you can do nothing.

 

[Linux23]

the pigs fucked up. they wanted to clear themselves by coercing an innocent girlfriend into confessing something that was not true. in the end, they still get cleared, the boyfriend got popped dead for doing nothing wrong, and the girlfriend gets put through all of that trauma just to find out the man she loved was killed because it was his fault. he was black.