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VIDEO: Dodge Challenger

Looks great. Tobad it's going to weigh ten thousand pounds... or close to it. 😛

GM needs to get their Camaro out STAT!
 
Distictly average. Looks like it's got the aerodynamic properties and handling ability of a brick.

And what's with everyone in the US going on and on and on about the hemi? So it's domed in there, well done. Welcome to 1960. Hey, guess what? Technology has moved on! Stop living in the past!
 
Technology has moved on!
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What we've reaped from "technology", is tiny engines trying to do the work of a REAL engine via forced induction and complex breathing. Your pathetic substitutes for displacement are woefully lacking in the effortless, pleasant power afforded by a properly sized engine.

Not everybody has insane commuting distances. Why try and saddle them with little econo-screamers, when gratifying, powerful alternatives exist?
 
Go Detroit! Continue exploiting your past rather than creating new concepts and ideas! Just think, in another 40 years you'll be able to rehash this idea again and create the 2046 version of the 2006 version of the 1968 Dodge Challenger! :roll:

On the other hand it does look pretty sweet. They should have put this out rather than that horrendous Charger. But I guess that's the benefit when your entire lineup is basically the same car, it costs almost nothing to slap some new body panels on, change the dashboard, and hey! a whole new car!
 
Originally posted by: Pikachu
Their econoboxes aren't radical enough, and they can't build something new... yeah, gotcha. :roll:
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guess what, the PT cruiser is based on an old neon platform, a retro design... and the crossfire is based on the old SLK platform. what's your point? thanks for reminding me, but if you take a look at chrysler's current lineup, the only completely new cars with modern designs are minivans. even the sebring is based on *gasp* an eclipse platform...
 
Originally posted by: Pikachu
Only reason Honda keeps changing, is because they have to keep getting BIGGER. We're already there. with gas at over $3/gallon, i doubt anyone's goal should be building bigger cars with a lower MPG.

Maybe someday they'll build a nice retro Civic! like i said, honda, along with the rest of the world, just isn't too interested in building "new" cars on recycled platforms and the same drivetrain on retro designs. nissan is sharing a lot of stuff between their cars, but at least they keep putting out new designs (whether if it's good or bad ala maxima

More RWD "old chassis" goodness...
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surprise! an old viper chassis and engine!
 
Not having to start from scratch with each model allows carmakers to spend money and be creative with what goes on top of these standardized platforms, offering consumers myriad choices among cars that otherwise might not have been made.

Since the first gas crunch, when the Japanese econoboxes hit our shores, they've been getting bigger, and bigger, and BIGGER! They have ZERO retro machines that anyone would want, so that issue is moot. Germany had the bug, and then there's the Mini Cooper, which at least have some kind of following.

Like I said, not everybody has a ridiculous commute, so they're more than happy to grab a real muscle car, at a fair price. God knows it's way overdue!
 
IMO....Civic has been pretty much the same car since the early 90's. Sure, there has been technological improvements as well as slight changes in the body style but it is essentially the same car. The reason Honda can get away with very small changes every so often is that the Civic's core group of buyers really don't care that much about how fast it is, what it's skidpad numbers are, what it's top speed is...etc. Their two main concerns are fuel economy and reliability (price really isn't much of a factor anymore). If either one of those two things were to disappear, Honda would have to do some SERIOUS rethinking over the next 3-5 years as Honda's would certainly lose their lustre.

This is where American cars were/are a few years ago. The looks went down the toilet for most American cars and reliability (generally) wasn't that great compared to the Asian cars. MPG wasn't horrible but it wasn't stellar either. So...the American carmakers had to do some radical changes just to create (they hoped) excitement in the brand just to get the public to LOOK at them again (Z06, Viper, (Maybe) new Camaro, Charger/Challenger, GTO...and yes, even the various Hybrids). The problem with this approach, is that if you have nothing to sell to the other 95% of the public who don't want/can't afford those relatively few cars, it won't mean squat.

So, it's not so much a case of bringing out TOTALLY new cars every 4-5 years, it's bringing out cars that have more than one major category appeal. Honda really needs to look out as they seem to have become complacent (but who knows what they have up their sleeves), and IMHO are in danger of becoming another NISSAN in the next 10 years or so.

Toyota has nailed the Reliability category and seem to be doing well with the MPG wars but they too are VERY boring cars. BUT, they have NO real sports cars to create excitement and their cars are VERY boring to look at (I own an '04 Carolla so I know first hand). Toyota is about to take over GM for market share but they really need to rethink the outward design of their cars and need to add an affordable high-performance car (around 25K) that breaks the 6.5 second 0-60 range and could be offered as a drop-top. It wouldn't hurt if they paraded some sort of supercar at the car shows.

Anyway....this is all just my opinion (as flawed as it may be).
 
...the other 95% of the public who don't want/can't afford those relatively few cars
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Better than half of the rest want trucks and SUVs. That's where US automakers shine. It's such a huge segment, Honda and Toyota couldn't help but jump in.

I'm keeping my eye on Hyundai. They may very well build something I'd buy!
 
Originally posted by: Pikachu
...the other 95% of the public who don't want/can't afford those relatively few cars
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Better than half of the rest want trucks and SUVs. That's where US automakers shine. It's such a huge segment, Honda and Toyota couldn't help but jump in.

I'm keeping my eye on Hyundai. They may very well build something I'd buy!
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That's where GM is in REAL trouble. SUV sales have dropped 40% in the last year or so (which is what's helping Toyota close the gap with GM REAL fast). SUV's will never go away, but with gas the way it is, they will become the red-headed step-child REAL quick. GM and Ford MUST move past the SUV's or they will be in a world of hurt very quick.
 
All their eggs are in one basket, so unless gas prices drop, they are screwed. Everything they make in FWD is crap, and Honda isn't immune to that crap either. Oh well, that's the price we pay for better mileage, right? God forbid we move closer to work!
 
You guys that think this thing is lacking in technology are hilarious. 🙂 Compare this to the original Challenger and the only thing it shares is the look and a big engine. The mileage in this incarnation of the Challenger will probably be double what the old one was, in the mid-high 20's. Sure it's no 35-40 or whatever it is that the civic gets, but they're really not comparable cars anyway.
 
Originally posted by: Pikachu
...the other 95% of the public who don't want/can't afford those relatively few cars
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Better than half of the rest want trucks and SUVs. That's where US automakers shine. It's such a huge segment, Honda and Toyota couldn't help but jump in.

I'm keeping my eye on Hyundai. They may very well build something I'd buy!
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I heard that the next Tiburon may be RWD
 
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