Video Card to replace 9800gtx

[thtadthtshldntbe]

My several year old 9800gtx has been way overheating for almost a year and half now, but due to financial issues I have not been able to replace it until now. If I don't have a large fan blowing into the case the system just shuts down to overheating.

Even now, with no game running (lately I only play wow, but want to get Starcraft 2 and occasionally will try out new fps or strat games, as my limited budget allows, steam sales have reignited my interests in game due to prices, heh.... but I swear my kindle and nook are going to bankrupt me due to my other major hobby, lol).

Anyway, even with no game running, I am at 72C for the card. With WoW running, and no video on the other monitor, it hits 90C plus, and thats with the fan on. I can still watch a movie or hulu while playing wow, but after a couple of hours, the GPU temp goes up to almost 100C and I start to see that screen stutter type effect where it freezes for a second every so often.

So I want to replace my video card. I want something thats dx11 capable. I am also looking for a new primary monitor. My old 19inch LCD secondary died a few months ago, so I figure to get a new primary and move my ASUS VH242H to secondary and get a 24 or maybe slightly larger new display for my main.

It looks like the 19xx by 12xx resolution has mostly died so I am probably stuck with 1080p for this new monitor unless something pops up in the next week or so and somehow does not get bought out almost immediately.

I would like to spend at most $400 net on both combined.

Something on this list seems like it fits my bill for video card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...e=&srchInDesc=

That first one has a nice rebate but I want to check out the brand.

Not sure exactly where to go with the monitor though.

Currently I have a athlon x2 kuma, not oc'd at the moment due to the obvious heat issues my system has, but I may or may not do so once i get the new video card. I have 8GB DDR2 and a biostar ta790xe.

Note, I lean towards nVidia simply because of better Linux support, now that i have begun to regain my health (I almost died several times in the last year and half) I want to return to school and running Linux just to experiment with some of the stuff I may have to do professionally afterwards is a consideration. However, again price is more important at this point.

Any help appreciated.

edit... as i complete this, i get the newegg email and that galaxy gtx460 768 is a shell shocker deal. I am going to go to sleep and then read this thread and if no one mentions anything, I may order it before I go to work, and then just try to figure out a monitor replacement here.

 

[notty22]

I'm obliged to ask you the rest of your computer parts.
Mainly the PSU.

The shellshock deal :
Galaxy 60XMH6HS3HMW GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) GC 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $89.99After $50 MIR
Is pretty hard to pass up. At 1080p, most games are not limited by the memory especially around 2xAA. I bought my current 23" LG monitor at Best Buy in person. I was most impressed by how text and web sites looked on the one I chose. I'd recommend that route.

 

[Termie]

Today's GTX460 shellshocker is your best deal by far on an Nvidia card in your price range. You'd have to spend twice as much to get a 10% faster card (GTX460 1GB).

If you're willing to go AMD, I'd actually recommend this Sapphire HD5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102932. It's the same price before rebate, but obviously $50 more counting the Galaxy's rebate. I have both a GTX460-768 and an HD5850. The HD5850 has about 20-25% more processing power (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/315?vs=295). Is it worth $50 (or in this case 50%) more? Probably not, but frankly I wouldn't buy a card with a $50 rebate, so I'm not comparing the final prices as you might.

 

[notty22]

I usually don't count on rebates either. So that 5850 is a solid option.
Unless you only want Nvidia, the 1gb deals are lesser now, a gtx 560 non TI is supposed to launch soon, which will probably be 200.00@launch.

 

[Rezist]

Yeah a 50$ MIR is pretty scary.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

o, this is my PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703005

I missed the GTX 460 deal, apparently I did not click fast enough.

That 5850 looks like a pretty solid dead. I was going to move on the Galaxy GTX460 because it had good reviews and with the shell shocker deals, was like 130 even without the rebate.

I just need to find a decent monitor now, going in person is not a solid option for me due to disability issues. While I am healthier and more mobile in the last 2 months, due to a successful surgery, if I attempted to carry something like a 24 inch or larger LCD back on a two hour bus trip (nearest microcenter), I think my back would go out on me.

I was checking out the deals of the week email from newegg and this showed up on there
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-24236102-L0D

So far the only review I found for it is some translated german review, which does not help me much.

Price is a consideration here. The ASUS that I have, seems like something in the same general family, visually looks fine to me, so I am inclined to trust similar tech (except for the horrid speakers but I knew that before I bought this monitor, I currently use an old stereo and am mostly happy with that, at this point).

edit... sorry for the noobish question here

I am presuming that if I got that AMD 5850 and bought say that ASUS monitor, I would have to get an HDMI cable due to there being only 1 DVI port on the card. I know all the ins and outs of buying DVI (dual link vs single link, different types of dvi, etc) and wonder if there are any similar sorts of things I need to be aware of for buying HDMI or displayport cables, if I choose a monitor that had a display port on it

edit 2

saw this on newegg too, seems like a better monitor that the one I linked above
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254040

 

[notty22]

The monitor I settled on is a TN glossy LG
Looking at newegg, they now feature a couple IPS, LG models, might be worth reading up on them.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005234
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005232

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

If I understand the overall difference here, TN is overall better when it comes to colors and visual consistency, but somewhat more expensive and has somewhat slower response times than does IPS.

The less expensive of the two is my almost automatic choice of the two you listed. I have at most $600 to spend, and would like to get possibly 2 2TB hard drives along with the monitor and video card, and be as far under $600 as I can, with all hard ware purchased. I still have to get a HDMI cable and a third party CPU cooler though neither are bank breaking costs too in all that. I'm making a thread over in the storage sub forum now about those hard drives.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Dvi is plenty for 1920x1080p. No need for hdmi cable.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

IPS has better picture quality and better viewing angles but is usually much more expensive. TN has worse pic quality, worse viewing angles, faster response times, much cheaper. If you're looking at the TN directly you won't see much difference. For multi monitor setups IPS is a must since you'll be viewing monitors at an angle. For one monitor usage and seeing you're on a budget go TN.

 

[Termie]

Don't feel bad - the Shellshocker lasted less than 20 minutes. Not much of a deal there as it turned out.

Either of those monitors will work with an HDMI cable, and the process of connecting them should be pretty straightforward. The trick to buying an HDMI cable is to make sure you don't spend more than $5 - they all work exactly the same, which actually makes it less of a trick than with DVI.

You only get displayport on higher-end monitors. That's what I use on my Dell, and I've found it very reliable, but I think you should be ok with HDMI.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

Dvi is plenty for 1920x1080p. No need for hdmi cable.

I need HDMI because, if I get that suggested video card, it only has one DVI port.

IPS has better picture quality and better viewing angles but is usually much more expensive. TN has worse pic quality, worse viewing angles, faster response times, much cheaper. If you're looking at the TN directly you won't see much difference. For multi monitor setups IPS is a must since you'll be viewing monitors at an angle. For one monitor usage and seeing you're on a budget go TN.

I don't do any of that Eyefinity/surround-vision/crap. Sorry for those who enjoy it, and with all due respect. I just can't stand even seeing the singular black bezel around the one monitor that I use as a main monitor and I don't know how people use 3 or more of them for the surround gaming without getting headaches or distracted, but I suppose its a visual limitation i suffer relating to how my memory works. I only think in pictures and have to work to focus on the parts I want to concentrate on, but can't really block out the rest.

My main setup is game/work on the main monitor, have a movie,ventrillo, secondary web browser windows, supporting documents to my work, etc on the secondary monitor. I don't full screen game for the most part either, though I do run the game in as large a window as I can.

Don't feel bad - the Shellshocker lasted less than 20 minutes. Not much of a deal there as it turned out.

Either of those monitors will work with an HDMI cable, and the process of connecting them should be pretty straightforward. The trick to buying an HDMI cable is to make sure you don't spend more than $5 - they all work exactly the same, which actually makes it less of a trick than with DVI.

You only get displayport on higher-end monitors. That's what I use on my Dell, and I've found it very reliable, but I think you should be ok with HDMI.

haha yeah, I wonder if they had more than 100 or so of those cards available.

And thanks for the HDMI cable info.

 

[toyota]

stock athlon x2 kuma? what speed? really that level of cpu is never going to let you realize all the power of a card that is significantly faster than your 9800gtx.

 

[Zap]

Yeah a 50$ MIR is pretty scary.

FWIW I got mine from the deals at the end of last year. It was TWO rebates totalling $60 for a Galaxy GTX 460 768MB. Took 3 months. I never hassled them, just waited.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

Its 2.6ghz.

I'm only looking to replace my 9800gtx because of the steadily worsening overheating situation. I am also looking to now have to hear a 25 inch fan blowing into the case. I know that my cpu is older. And that's why I am looking to spend as far south of $150 dollars on a graphics card as possible while getting something dx11 capable. The onsale GTX460 768s and that 5850 seems like my best options and should i be able to scrape together like 600 or so by the end of the year for new cpu, mobo and ram, the GPU and new hard drives will be able to function well in it, if not more than mid range.

edit, i may oc slightly for more performance, once I get rid of the severe heat problem that the 9800gtx is generating.

 

[happy medium]

Its 2.6ghz.

I'm only looking to replace my 9800gtx because of the steadily worsening overheating situation. I am also looking to now have to hear a 25 inch fan blowing into the case. I know that my cpu is older. And that's why I am looking to spend as far south of $150 dollars on a graphics card as possible while getting something dx11 capable. The onsale GTX460 768s and that 5850 seems like my best options and should i be able to scrape together like 600 or so by the end of the year for new cpu, mobo and ram, the GPU and new hard drives will be able to function well in it, if not more than mid range.

edit, i may oc slightly for more performance, once I get rid of the severe heat problem that the 9800gtx is generating.

Don't get no gtx460 or 6850 performance gpu for that cpu.

Grab a Asus gts450 for 95$ AR.
Anything faster then that you won't notice the difference in most games anyhow.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-415-_-Product

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

The only issue is that, for like 40 dollars more, i can get a card that would do well if and when i can update cpu/mobo/ram later this year, or early next year, without having to get a new GPU. Also, I always keep an eye out for CPU upgrade sales, might be able to score a athlon x4 on a newegg shocker for example, and I think am2+ can do phenom 2 as well.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Your board does support pretty much all current AMD processors.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/cpu_support.php?S_ID=417

With a $400 you could almost squeeze a CPU upgrade in.

Some AMD chips might go on sale when Bulldozer releases, so it's understandable if you want to monitor prices for a good deal.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

What I am currently planning on is to get that AMD 5850 card from above, a new monitor, that ASUS or HANNS G one from above, leaning towards the latter cause it seems slightly larger and 2 1TB Samsung F3s.

When Bullsdozer comes out in June/July, that's when I suspect Newegg and other places will be trying to clear their warehouses and some pretty good CPU deals can be had much like that wave of low price GTX460s from a month or so ago, which I did not have the money to get.

If anyone suggests a similar monitor that better for that price range... around $200, I'm all ears.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

 

[toyota]

I seriously doubt cpu prices on the older stuff will change much when Bulldozer comes out. and really right now the Phenom 2 X4 is already cheap for the performance you can get.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

Not so much price cuts, as rebates to help clear certain merchandise.

Its not that big a deal however, the hope is at the end of this year or early next year to get a new mobo, cpu and ram and then be able to drop the new GPU into that.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I seriously doubt cpu prices on the older stuff will change much when Bulldozer comes out. and really right now the Phenom 2 X4 is already cheap for the performance you can get.

Phenom Is were drastically cut in price when Phenom IIs came out. 9600s, 9850s, 9950s were sold under $100 while the Phenom IIs were over $150. A few models will eventually be sold dirt cheap to clear stock. Even Phenom IIs which got replaced by newer models were sold dirt cheap relative to other PIIs - the 920 and 940 - for a short time.

AMD isn't going to change the official prices, but retailers will cut prices to clear inventory.

 

[toyota]

Phenom Is were drastically cut in price when Phenom IIs came out. 9600s, 9850s, 9950s were sold under $100 while the Phenom IIs were over $150. A few models will eventually be sold dirt cheap to clear stock. Even Phenom IIs which got replaced by newer models were sold dirt cheap relative to other PIIs - the 920 and 940 - for a short time.

AMD isn't going to change the official prices, but retailers will cut prices to clear inventory.

well I guess its different for Intel though because the E8500 actually costs more now then when I purchased it in 2008. I guess AMD's older stuff is too slow to be competitive though so they need to make way for just newer stuff.

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

its not AMD that would do that. Its resellers like Newegg, Microcenter, frys, etc.

Where do you think those super deals, shell shockers, combo deals come from? The merchant is try to clear warehouse space by offering deals on stagnant and even eol merchandise.

 

[toyota]

its not AMD that would do that. Its resellers like Newegg, Microcenter, frys, etc.

Where do you think those super deals, shell shockers, combo deals come from? The merchant is try to clear warehouse space by offering deals on stagnant and even eol merchandise.

yeah but Intels old stuff still does not get discounted like that. resellers must realize they have have to sell older model AMD cpus for really cheap or they will never be able to get rid of them.