I thought this question would be answered already, but I didn't see it on the first few pages so I'm going to post it again. I'm looking for a good Vid card for my new DDR T-Bird System. I will use it for mostly games like EverQuest, World War 2 Online, Counterstrike, and the next gen games of those genres. Maybe DVD, but probably not much if at all. Then word processing and the like for school a little. I find that in EQ my framerate slows to a crawl on my current voodoo3 2k, so I need something much faster to play the next gen games obviously. I can't spend more then $200, $150-$175 tops would be ideal. As far as I can tell this leaves me with either GF2 GTS or Kyro2 right? Which would you pick out of those? If I can scrape some extra money together and if prices drop within 2 weeks or so (when I'll start ordering) maybe I can get a GF2 Pro. How big is the performance difference and longevity of the Pro going to be over the GTS or kyro2? Also, anything from ATI I should consider? Thanks.
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I had there radeon and it was ok in 3d but some games had issues. especially there drivers.
so far the geforce 3 is the best one but more $$ true, but performance rocks.
the other thing is the pros are good and cheap under the cost of a radeon but ther e2d is crappy at higher resolutions above 1024x768
as far as teh kyro never used it
so far the geforce 3 is the best one but more $$ true, but performance rocks.
the other thing is the pros are good and cheap under the cost of a radeon but ther e2d is crappy at higher resolutions above 1024x768
as far as teh kyro never used it
Why not get a RadeonLE for $80, flash the BIOS of the LE so that it performs as a RadeonDDR, and save the rest of your cash until later this year when the GF3 is sure to come down? The next step up would be a GTS(for roughly $120), but I would suggest that you get the RadeonLE; excellent performance, great 2D, and hardware DVD playback that is at the top of its class
. Like WSPTrooper, I have no experience with the Kyro2, so you're on your own there.
Good luck!
. Like WSPTrooper, I have no experience with the Kyro2, so you're on your own there.Good luck
!Forgot to mention the system will be running Win2k. Will the ATI work well with win2k? I don't really want to go back to win98se cuz I was planning on 512mb DDR ram and win2k would benefit from that much more. How about kyro2? how does it perform in win2k?
If you want to know about Win2K and the Radeon, Rage3D.com would probably be the best place to ask.
AnandTech has that review done in February which showed the shortcomings of the 3100 driver, but since the review there have been 7 beta drivers released - the Win2K users at Rage3D could probably tell you what to expect, and what you should do to get the best performance in Win2K.
AnandTech has that review done in February which showed the shortcomings of the 3100 driver, but since the review there have been 7 beta drivers released - the Win2K users at Rage3D could probably tell you what to expect, and what you should do to get the best performance in Win2K.
Personally I'm partial to the Kyro II, which is currently only $112 for the OEM version at newegg.com. The OEM version is the same as the retail version except it doesn't include Myst III. The Kyro II has excellent Windows 2000 performance, about on par with its Windows 95/98/Me performance. It will almost always outperform a GeForce2 GTS, sometimes outperform a GF2 Pro, and can occasionally perform at GF2 Ultra levels. Performance is expected to increase when the new DirectX 8.1 comes out that contains some fixes for the Kyro II's tile-based rendering.
Speaking of tile-based rendering, because the Kyro II only renders what you can see, it's great at games where there are a lot of polygons on the screen. Rather than render them all like nVidia or ATI do, the Kyro II only renders the visible frames, which means it can acheive higher performance at a lower clock speed (and thus lower cost). This means that the Kyro II will be a good graphics chip for some time to come, because even as games get more complex, the Kyro II will still only render visible polygons.
For the money, I think the Kyro II's the best card out there. If you've got the extra cash, you may want to consider buying the GF2 Pro 64MB, but it's a 10-20% performance increase for 50% more money.
Nick
Speaking of tile-based rendering, because the Kyro II only renders what you can see, it's great at games where there are a lot of polygons on the screen. Rather than render them all like nVidia or ATI do, the Kyro II only renders the visible frames, which means it can acheive higher performance at a lower clock speed (and thus lower cost). This means that the Kyro II will be a good graphics chip for some time to come, because even as games get more complex, the Kyro II will still only render visible polygons.
For the money, I think the Kyro II's the best card out there. If you've got the extra cash, you may want to consider buying the GF2 Pro 64MB, but it's a 10-20% performance increase for 50% more money.
Nick
How is DVD quality for the Kyro2? I think that might be the way I'll go. How does opengl and direct3d performance compare between kyro2 and 32mb gf2 pro?
As far as I can tell, the Kyro II has decent DVD playback quality. It's not as good as ATI (the best on the market), but there aren't any problems with it. From the reviews, it seems as though the Kyro II really likes OpenGL and performs decently in D3D. Of course, that could be a result of the titles they were using in the reviews. My recommendation is to go to a couple of popular sites and look at their Kyro II reviews. Or try neoseeker.com, which is a kind of gateway for access to reviews from many different sites. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the performance.
Riva3D -- a site usually partial to nVidia products (hence the name) -- recently gave the Kyro II a pretty good review. It's available here. Good luck!
Nick
Riva3D -- a site usually partial to nVidia products (hence the name) -- recently gave the Kyro II a pretty good review. It's available here. Good luck!
Nick
I still vote for Radeon LE for almost half the price of a GTS pro, but 90% of the performance with waaaay better DVD too.
<< Radeon LE for almost half the price of a GTS pro, but 90% of the performance >>
You mean 1/2 the price for 1/3 the performace. The PRO is essentially an underclocked ultra...
Radeon LE, nothing can touch it in price/proformance. Very fast card. I dont' know what you're smoking lsd? Hmm, well maybe I do, but you've obviously never even seen a Radeon.
<< I still vote for Radeon LE for almost half the price of a GTS pro, but 90% of the performance with waaaay better DVD too.
>>hahahahahaha.... 90% of a GF2 Pro performance?... hahahahahahaha..... what ISD said about 1/3 sounds more logical, that is.. 33% of GF2 Pro. GF2 GTS even kicks Radeon 64DDR's fanny left and right (in overall perfomance standing).
Will someone simply post an Anand link that shows the Radeon and GTS pro at relatively close levels? One example hardly makes a standard across-the-board benchmark evaluation.
<< Anand link that shows the Radeon and GTS pro at relatively close levels? >>
I think your confused.. the 32 ddr radeon is almost as fast as a normal GF2.
I was joking about the 1/3 as fast though..
Normal GF2 wh00ping Ati A$$
the radeon Le vivo is bada$$. i love it. i flashed it into a radeon ddr vivo (which i'm not even sure they make, but i could be wrong) and now it is overclocked and totally stable w/ passive cooling at 191/191 mhz. its cheap and i'm veyr happy w/ it. easy to tweak w/ the radeon tweaker program
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