Video card for Video Editing system?

Hazard

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I'm trying to get some ideas about what kind of video card would go into a top of the line video editing system. I have a system running a big fat Matrox card right now (sorry dont know what model it is but it uses the AGP and a PCI slot) but its slow and I want something new.

This is supposed to be a professional system and even though I dont know too much about it cards specific to video editing (which I think I've made obvious heh) its going to be used by professionals so when I say high end I mean HIGH END.

Let me know!

 

Hazard

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ok guys its been 24 hours adn no replies. that doesnt happen on anandtech forums!

I guess what Im asking is that out of teh three brands that i know about: nVidia, ATi & Matrox which one would be your purchase suggestion for a high end video editing system. Is there something else completely that I should look into rather than these systems?

let me know guys

 

gsellis

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It all is relative. First, NLEs generally do not benefit from great 3D performance. Second, some NLE's do not use the video card for a whole lot of work. What is the goal? NTSC monitor? Dual display?

What is the NLE suite? A 9600-9800 XT might be fine or a nVidia card, but check the NLE as some prefer certain vendors over others. One of the Pinnacle solutions is a video card (and there will be a PCI-e version announced later in the year.)
 

MScrip

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You said it's gonna be used by professionals.... why are you building them a system? Do the professionals have a list of requests for their system? What software are they using? Premiere, Avid, Pinnacle, Vegas?

It's been stated before that video editing does not really benefit from expensive 3D video cards. That money can be used for other video hardware and stuff. Don't forget about huge amounts of hard drive storage. Short answer: A fast processor, a Gig of RAM and plenty of storage are your top priorities when building a PC for video editing.

What is this system supposed to do?
 

gwag

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keep in mind newer x800 and 6800's have onboard mpeg2 encoding havent read much about it but may take a lot of load off the CPU.
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: gwag
keep in mind newer x800 and 6800's have onboard mpeg2 encoding havent read much about it but may take a lot of load off the CPU.
The X800 has a decoder, but not an encoder IIRC. That decoder also supports DivX and WMV. I know that the 6800 has a decoder too, but last I heard, it was not fully supported in the drivers.

The X800 AIW should have both. Cannot say for the 6800 encoder without going back and looking.

 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: MScrip
You said it's gonna be used by professionals.... why are you building them a system? Do the professionals have a list of requests for their system? What software are they using? Premiere, Avid, Pinnacle, Vegas?

It's been stated before that video editing does not really benefit from expensive 3D video cards. That money can be used for other video hardware and stuff. Don't forget about huge amounts of hard drive storage. Short answer: A fast processor, a Gig of RAM and plenty of storage are your top priorities when building a PC for video editing.

What is this system supposed to do?
Storage!!! My 400GB (2 200s) is almost full at the moment while I have 4 open projects. One is over 150GB right now.

Ok, we are starting to nag... What NLE and the goal? :D
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: Rottie
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
as high end as it gets

Silicon Graphic Fuel is the BEST machine I ever work on.

Quote from the product page:
Single MIPS® R16000A? 800 MHz or 700 MHz processor with 4MB L2 cache

I know that GHz doesn't really matter, and a LOT of scientific and engineering apps are optimized for the SGI/IRIX, but you'd think that a dual 2.5GHz PowerMac would stomp all over that Fuel machine. What kind of mojo are they working with that hardware to remain competitive with the G5/Opteron workstations?
 
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bat the SGI has specific hardware customized for a certain task. While the G5/Opterons may perform better overall, they pale in comparsion. In fact the SGI Onyx4 is the absolute best computer based editing system on the market.
 

gwag

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Originally posted by: gwag
keep in mind newer x800 and 6800's have onboard mpeg2 encoding havent read much about it but may take a lot of load off the CPU.
The X800 has a decoder, but not an encoder IIRC. That decoder also supports DivX and WMV. I know that the 6800 has a decoder too, but last I heard, it was not fully supported in the drivers.

The X800 AIW should have both. Cannot say for the 6800 encoder without going back and looking.

? I read a thread stating both of them had it but many programs dont support it yet. Adobe has plugins already IIRC. I dont know how much it helps the topic was for DV to MPEG 2 with the CPU doing little work. 6800 is advetised as having and encoder as well:
ATI VideoShader HD offers seamless integration of pixel shaders with video

* Fullstream for DivX, Windows Media 9, and Real Media
* MPEG 1 / 2 / 4 decode and encode acceleration
* New Video algorithms that use pixel shaders for 3:2 Pulldown, Interlacing, and Deblocking
NV4x Video Architecture:
Next to being a gaming card, starting with the GeForce Series 6 some high-quality video options become available also. First off, Series 6 is a fully programmable video processor; you can actually use it in paint programs or software like Adobe After Effects. And hey, this has the first ever on-chip GPU video encoder. Among the features are motion adaptive interlacing, integrated TV-Encoder, HDTV support (720p. 1080i, 480p, CGMS). We so need HDTV support here in Europe. Not only that but the NV40 now also can Decode and... Encode MPEG 1/2 and 4; as well as offer real-time DivX Decode/Encode.
 

Hazard

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wow thanks a lot guys this is a lot of info that im going to have a comb thru.

Well basically the machine is going to be used for Digital editing. I guess the thing is that this place where i work is starting to get into the whole digital editing thing and im just trying to get the creative ppl something that is good enough for them to do their work.

hmm... i was talking to someone else adn they were like forget PC's. just get a G5 Mac... they were pretty confident about it

Any thoughts?
 

pulse8

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What are you going to be editing? What format are you going to be using as a source? What is your final output going to be? How complicated are the pieces going to be? Answering these questions will help guage which editing software you should be using. From there you can figure out the hardware you should have.
 

KutterMax

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A couple of things:

First, a PowerMac with Dual G5's, OS X, and Final Cut Pro is going to be an excellent editing system. My wife uses a G5 for video editing and digital photography and its definitely very slick. I'm still primarily a PC user, but for certain things the Mac platform is very nice.

I just recently purchased a Gainward 6800 GT Golden Sample, primarily because of the top notch 3D gaming performance. However I do a fair bit of video work on my PC, including editing and conversion of Mpeg-2 to Mpeg-4 etc. I was surprised to learn about the on-board video encoding and decoding capabilities of the 6800 series cards.

The question I have, do the individual applications have to be programmed to take advantage of this feature? My guess is yes but I'm not positive. If so, are there currently any apps that do use this capability.

For those of you interested, I cut and pasted the following directly from Nvidia's website. It describes the video capabilities of the 6800 series of cards:




On-Chip Video Processor


Next-generation PC games are not the only applications demanding more from today?s graphics cards. Consumers are demanding top notch DVD playback, television encoding and decoding, and support for high-definition television formats from their PC. The CPU can?t handle it alone. However, the latest NVIDIA® graphics processing units (GPUs) are set up to carry the intensive video-processing load.

NVIDIA GeForce? 6 Series GPUs contain a revolutionary programmable video processor that delivers state-of-the-art, high-quality video features. They provide on-chip acceleration for many functions previously relegated to the CPU or a second chip. A GeForce 6 Series GPU essentially serves as two chips in one: a GPU and a video processor.

Video processing on the GPU deals with two major uses of video: playback (decoding), and recording analog video and converting it into a defined digital format (encoding). The most common format for encoding or decoding is MPEG-2. Other popular formats, such as Windows Media Video9 (WMV9), are also supported in the GeForce 6 Series GPUs.

Video Decoding
A key element of modern-day video processing, MPEG-2 is the basis for such functions as DVD playback. Through advanced technology functions such as motion compensation and inverse discrete cosine transformation (IDCT), the GeForce 6 Series GPUs handle MPEG-2 decoding very efficiently, offloading the CPU of the heavy lifting involved in video playback. The result is smooth, high-quality video and reduced power usage.

Another important factor is that the GeForce 6 Series GPUs are completely programmable and can handle formats such as WMV9 and MPEG-4. The NVIDIA motion compensation engine can provide decompression acceleration for a variety of video formats including WMV9, MPEG-4, H.264, and DiVX. As with motion compensation for MPEG-2, the NVIDIA video engine can perform most of the computation-intensive work, leaving the easiest work to the CPU.

Video Encoding
The GeForce 6 Series GPUs are also capable of hardware video encode acceleration. Traditionally, video encoding is a difficult and time consuming process. The GeForce 6 Series GPUs include a motion estimation engine. Using state-of-the-art technologies, the motion estimation engine delivers higher-quality video at the same or lower bit rate, as well as lower CPU utilization for improved system performance.

Designed for the Future
Video processing on the GeForce 6 Series of GPUs has been designed with future formats in mind. The flexibility of the GPU video processor design easily accommodates new and improved video algorithms as they emerge. In addition, functions including de-interlacing, gamma correction, and noise reduction are programmed into the GPU?s video processor. With all of these features and full video processor programmability, the NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series GPUs create a foundation for current and future video device support and flexible viewing options, and have the ability to host a wide variety of sophisticated video applications to suit every consumers needs.


 

gsellis

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A G5 and those tools if cost is not object is OK, but Mac suites do not always rule the roost anymore. Why don't you look at the NLE sections over in DVInfo's board. I use Pinnacle Liquid series and version 6 will be HDV with long GOB editing. But, if I do not use HD, that means nothing. Vegas, Premiere, Xpress, Liquid, and Final Cut (Mac only) all have their strengths and weaknesses. It all boils down to what the editor requires and prefers.

So, unless they have an idea on what NLE they want, a hardware recommendation cannot be very specific.