Video Card for Dragon Age

garritynet

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I am helping a friend upgrade his computer for Dragon Age. It has an AMD 6000+ (X-2 @ 3g) processor, 4gig DDR 2 800 ram and intel 8200 integrated graphics processor. There is a single 16x 2.0 slot in his computer.

The PSU is either an Enermax or a Sparkle that puts out 400 watts.

I believe he plays at 1600*1200 on a CRT.

The only games he plays are Baldur's Gate 2, KOTOR and Age of Mythology.....over and over again and I don't think he is too worried about playing other newer games, although he has expressed interest in playing HL2.

He would like to be able to at least play on medium high graphics smoothly. He would also like to spend as little as possible. I know all about how the modern higher end cards do against each other but I don't know anything about the lower end cards.


Any advice on what card he should get?
 
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Windows Vista Minimum Specifications

* OS: Windows Vista with SP1
* CPU: Intel Core 2 (or equivalent) running at 1.6Ghz or greater
* AMD X2 (or equivalent) running at 2.2GHZ or greater
* RAM: 1.5 GB or more
* Video: ATI Radeon X1550 256MB or greater
* NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB or greater
* DVD ROM (Physical copy)
* 20 GB HD space

Recommended Specifications

* CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz Processor or equivalent
* RAM: 4 GB (Vista) or 2 GB (XP)
* Video: ATI 3850 512 MB or greater
* NVIDIA 8800GTS 512 MB or greater
* DVD ROM (Physical copy)
* 20 GB HD space

so based on that, get him a 4850. should be perfect for that res, especially in older games, and its above the recommended specs. you might want to look into getting him a CPU upgrade though as well, since his CPU is only just above the minimum specs and he is probably going to be CPU limited with what he has now
 

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It may be best to spend the extra $20-50 for a 5750 of 5770 as the 6000+ is quite a power hungry processor for its class. If you're up for saving some power for that class of graphics card.

Major load on the 12v

X2 6000+ 100-120w

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4850 100-110w = 230w
4770 60-70w = 180w
5750 45w = 165w
5770 60w = 180w
GTX 260 110w = 230w
gts 250 80w = 190w
9800gt 60-80w = 190w

I looked up and found

a Sparkle 400w with 348w on the 12v
a few Enermax 400w(s) 300-350w on the 12v

So after all that all of the cards will work fine with that setup.
 
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Hauk

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A good excuse for upgrading.. highly addictive, great story, great combat. Pausing during combat to pan around the battle is so rewarding. Fire, effects, magic all happening at once.. I could see where not having enough gpu during these times would be annoying. Grab a +512MB card if possible.. 4850 1GB, GTX 260.
 

garritynet

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He has been using the same computer for like 10 years. Seriously. I gave him this one for free so it is not likely that I can convince him to go for another processor.

I'm not ignoring your advice or anything either, but I don't think he will spring for a 4850. What about this? Is this a good bargin?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-303-_-Product

Quick question: If the game is CPU bound I can just up the AA penalty free until the GPU slows down enough to be generally on par with the CPU right?
 

Schmide

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I just noticed a 4670 which is much more powerful than the 4650

$38 = $68 - $30 (RB card) ASUS EAH4670/DI/512MD3 Radeon HD 4670 512MB

Some have complained about the fan failing. Just something to think about.

BTW I actually ordered one, I've been looking for one for my sisters HTPC.
 

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If he is in the market for a new card, the 4890 or 5770 is the way to go for the $200 range. The 4890 is faster, but the 5770 isn't slow and has DX11 support and uses less power.

4890 & 5770 = ~$175

For a super cheap card, he could get the 4650. But I'd urge him to go 5770 or 4890 if he is going to play additional games before upgrading in the future.

I play dragon age maxed out on my 8800gt 1680x1050 8aa very high @ 41fps
 

garritynet

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If he is in the market for a new card, the 4890 or 5770 is the way to go for the $200 range. The 4890 is faster, but the 5770 isn't slow and has DX11 support and uses less power.

4890 & 5770 = ~$175

For a super cheap card, he could get the 4650. But I'd urge him to go 5770 or 4890 if he is going to play additional games before upgrading in the future.

I play dragon age maxed out on my 8800gt 1680x1050 8aa very high @ 41fps

If $100 is too much why would $175 be ok?
 

AkaBeats

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Didn't see anyone say $100 was too much, just "as little as possible" which I took to be bang/buck

If he's really on a sub $100 budget then yes, don't consider the 4890/5770

I believe a 4670 should be fine and will play HL2 like butter and DOA on medium fine. If he wants to play newer games at any point though, he'll likely need to upgrade again.

I think the 4670 pulls less than 70w on load. Make sure you have enough amps on your 12v rail.
 
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Schmide

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I'm sorry AkaBeats did you not see my post where I listed his power and PSU figures?
 

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A guy I work with is playing is fine on a 22inch LCD with a mid-level C2D and a 8600GT. Medium quality textures, but he says it looks pretty good and plays well. This game seems to work pretty well without extreme system requirements.
 

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It ran at max on my 8800gt with everything cranked up at 1680x1050. That is on a quad core though. I think a 4670 is your best option.
 

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Why isn't budget specified in OP? Please edit it in to help yourself get useful advice.
 

Denithor

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Take a look in the FS/FT forum and see if you can find a 4850 or 8800GT/9800GT or GTS 250 cheap.
 

garritynet

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Sorry about that, I did not say specifically that $100 was over budget, just vaguely mentioned that the 4850 was too expensive. :p

Ok, I left some stuff out. I actually gave this computer to a friend at work. For free but minus a hard drive. I do that, give computers away. I gave it to him complete with a DVD burner installed that had an xp disc in it and it has the sticker with the serial on the case. Just put in a HDD, turn it on and install windows. He did not feel comfortable messing with it in the end and gave it back to me with some money for myself and to cover the cost of a HDD. I gave him a hard time about it but I went ahead and agreed to do it. He really wants to play DA Orgin and read on some forum that it could be run on low an 8200m powered laptop.

He does not really want to get a video card because I dunno, no one ever wants to buy a video card. Especially if their last card was a TiXXX card. Just my expierence is all. I had a guy come into my store and try to buy some game. I can't remember but it was either FEAR, GRAW or Far Cry. We talked about the game a bit and I suggested he make sure his computer could run it before he checked out because you can't return games. He seemed a bit out of the loop at the time. He said "Oh, well I have a Ti4600 so I think I'll be fine" to which I replied something along the lines of "Yeah, it'll run, but with the eye candy off. This game is pretty shader intensive." He just glared at me for a second and said "The Ti4600 has shaders!" and stomped off with his game. He got pretty mad. They all get mad and its always a TiXXXX. I got a hundred stories about friends and customers being very angry when I suggest spending a bit for an upgrade when they complain about not being able to run this or that.

Anyway back on topic, I figure I'll just take the money he gave me for myself and get him a VC with it so he can play DA and all those other games he always misses out on. That said, I'm not gonna spring for a 5770. I can barely afford a 5770 for myself!

My budget was whatever card was least expensive that would run Dragon Age somewhat decent at 16*12.

The AMD 6000+ is actually the newer Brisbane, which is 89w. According to ATI the 4670 max power requirement is 59w. The Anand review of the 4670 it had a load requirement of 139w when used with a Core 2 Quad Q9450 which is rated at 95w. I figured that even on a not so awesome "400w" Enermax PSU that carries 22amps on the 12v rail that it would probably be fine. I don't really think I want to spend the money on a new PSU right now, as I am completely broke with Christmas around the corner and having just paid my yearly car insurance and internet bills at $904 and $279 respectively.

I ordered the $38 AR 4670 and a 500gig HD. Once I get the rebate he will have basically paid for the HD and VC himself. Ofcourse he will complain about every little thing that every goes wrong with the computer for the rest of it's life, as they all do but thats just the price of doing nice things for people.

Thanks for your help guys! You got me pointed in the right direction.


EDIT: Its a 20 pin connector. I forgot about that! Damnit! I figured the 20 pin would be fine with only, the IG, 89w processor, DVD burner and a HD. Now that I have an extra 59w coming through the PCIe slot will a Enermax PSU with a claim of 22a though the 12v rail be sufficent or is it too risky?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817194023
 
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phantom404

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Im running it on my laptop with a GTX 260M at max everything and it runs fine...I think thats equal to about a 9800gtx or something. The max resolution is 1600x900 for my laptop
 

garritynet

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Tom's video card chart puts the 8200m at the same level as the same level as the Geforce 3 Ti500 level and although the 8200 is slightly better than its mobile counterpart its not much better.
 

Schmide

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EDIT: Its a 20 pin connector. I forgot about that! Damnit! I figured the 20 pin would be fine with only, the IG, 89w processor, DVD burner and a HD. Now that I have an extra 59w coming through the PCIe slot will a Enermax PSU with a claim of 22a though the 12v rail be sufficent or is it too risky?

It will be fine. The 4670 is more of a sub 50w (4a) card. Unofficially the 12v line of the 20pin can provide 72w (6a)* and a pci-e is limited by spec to 75w (6.25a). The extra 4 pins only provides one more 3.3v, 5v, 12v lead each.

Edit: BTW I received my 4670 less than 24hrs after ordering above. Good job NE.

Edit2: *This is per lead a 20 pin has 1 12v for 6a while a 24 pin has 2 for 12a.
 
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Hauk

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Good times await..

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/DragonAge3.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/DragonAge-1.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/DragonAge2.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/Nice.jpg

I haven't wasted this much time since Oblivion. I like being able to switch characters on the fly, which includes top-down perspective as well as over the shoulder. Pausing and panning to observe and calculate from different angles, especially on a 40" 1080p, heaven!

On topic, the ability to run a game vs. the abilty to master all it offers visually is largely dependent on GPU. Imagine panning the last scene with a low end GPU. I'm bothered by choppiness and would end up lowering detail until (if at all) it was playable. Keep in mind this is real-time combat, fast and furious. When twenty or forty bucks makes a difference in playing a game vs. smiling while playing a game, well..
 
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Dragon Age is the first game in a long while that's made me wonder if it's upgrade season. As I've a 3 GHz 'Penryn' (the rebadged E8400 Xeon E3110) and no stressful applications (bit of video encoding is the max), I'd been planning on waiting till 'Westmere'. I saw the benchmarks on PC Games Hardware and began to feel a tad anxious. I'm even more worried about my graphics, given that my GeForce 9600 GT is considerably below the geek median (which I suspect is Radeon HD 4870ish these days). I've a Dell 2209WA display, and PC Games Hardware recommends at least an HD 4870 for 1680x1050.

I don't wish to go whole hog and build a new Core i5/i7 machine -- that would mean at least $600. On the other hand, the most reasonable graphics deal right now seems the HD 4890 (saw an HIS for $160 at Newegg)... and reckon another $200+ for a Core 2 Quad cpu. If I'm already at $400, it seems silly not to go 'Lynnfield' instead...

I did notice that a simple 400 MHz bus overclock to 3.6 GHz yields a respectable framerate (my rooms could probably do with the additional heat in winter). Would this suffice with a 9600 GT, or would I still require a video upgrade?
 

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Dragon Age is the first game in a long while that's made me wonder if it's upgrade season. As I've a 3 GHz 'Penryn' (the rebadged E8400 Xeon E3110) and no stressful applications (bit of video encoding is the max), I'd been planning on waiting till 'Westmere'. I saw the benchmarks on PC Games Hardware and began to feel a tad anxious. I'm even more worried about my graphics, given that my GeForce 9600 GT is considerably below the geek median (which I suspect is Radeon HD 4870ish these days). I've a Dell 2209WA display, and PC Games Hardware recommends at least an HD 4870 for 1680x1050.

I don't wish to go whole hog and build a new Core i5/i7 machine -- that would mean at least $600. On the other hand, the most reasonable graphics deal right now seems the HD 4890 (saw an HIS for $160 at Newegg)... and reckon another $200+ for a Core 2 Quad cpu. If I'm already at $400, it seems silly not to go 'Lynnfield' instead...

I did notice that a simple 400 MHz bus overclock to 3.6 GHz yields a respectable framerate (my rooms could probably do with the additional heat in winter). Would this suffice with a 9600 GT, or would I still require a video upgrade?

Get the game, run it on your system, and see if you are satisfied. If not, then overclock. If still not, then upgrade.
 

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Dragon Age is the first game in a long while that's made me wonder if it's upgrade season. As I've a 3 GHz 'Penryn' (the rebadged E8400 Xeon E3110) and no stressful applications (bit of video encoding is the max), I'd been planning on waiting till 'Westmere'. I saw the benchmarks on PC Games Hardware and began to feel a tad anxious. I'm even more worried about my graphics, given that my GeForce 9600 GT is considerably below the geek median (which I suspect is Radeon HD 4870ish these days). I've a Dell 2209WA display, and PC Games Hardware recommends at least an HD 4870 for 1680x1050.

I don't wish to go whole hog and build a new Core i5/i7 machine -- that would mean at least $600. On the other hand, the most reasonable graphics deal right now seems the HD 4890 (saw an HIS for $160 at Newegg)... and reckon another $200+ for a Core 2 Quad cpu. If I'm already at $400, it seems silly not to go 'Lynnfield' instead...

I did notice that a simple 400 MHz bus overclock to 3.6 GHz yields a respectable framerate (my rooms could probably do with the additional heat in winter). Would this suffice with a 9600 GT, or would I still require a video upgrade?

I'd upgrade the 9600 GT. If you're not trying spend an arm and leg and want to stick with nvidia, the gtx 260 is probably the best bang for the buck right now. If you want an AMD card, then the I'd recommend the 4890 or 5770 if you can find one.

You've got another year out of that processor. I have my e8400 overclocked to 4.0ghz with no voltage modifications, and it is ROCK solid.
 

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Get the game, run it on your system, and see if you are satisfied. If not, then overclock. If still not, then upgrade.

This is so obvious yet so many people forget about it... I mean, you will play the game in the end, OP. Just buy the game, see how it runs and go from there.