Video Card around 200 Advise please

[papapapapapapapababy]

gtx 960 ti.when is released...

 

[Leyawiin]

Still not that great of a choice for a 300W build. Here is why:

PowerColor R9 270 with 4 free games for $110 provides 31% more performance at 1080P.

Avg power usage of 111W and maximum of 138W. Even if you have a Core i7 4790K in there, paired with an R9 270, it will never come close to using 300W.

Also, besides the fact that there are plenty of cards that will work with a 300W PSU that will be much faster than the 750Ti, the PSU argument is moot for a couple more reasons:

1. There are always PSU deals around from sub-$30 for 550W to Seasonic X Gold 1050W for $110.

2. Since PSU is the most important component in any PC build long-term, one should just invest in a good PSU that will last 7-10 years instead of overpaying for slow underpowered efficient cards because they don't want to spend $50 on a solid 500W PSU that will last 10 years. You will end up overspending a LOT of money for inferior performance over the next 10 years if you keep limiting yourself to 75W GPUs. Usually the best deals on GPUs are last gen or older gen cards that are discontinued ($175 GTX480, $210 R9 290, $180 7970Ghz, $350 780Ti, etc.).

Ain't no way I'd stick an R9 270 in a pre-built PC with its stock 300w power supply. You can if you like. GTX 750 Ti was a quick and dirty (and reliable) upgrade to a five year old PC. I don't want the phone ringing down the road. I'm confident given what my nephew's PC is I gave him the best $120 upgrade he would have for it.

RussianSensation, you know darn well those 300 watt oem psus dont even typically come rated for any where near 300 watts on the 12v. most are lucky to make anywhere near 200 watts max in realistic conditions. I would not even use a 750 ti with most oem 300 watt psus.

The power limit on the GTX 750 Ti is only 38.5 W (in spite of the official 60 W TDP). They can run on almost anything.

 

[toyota]

Ain't no way I'd stick an R9 270 in a pre-built PC with its stock 300w power supply. You can if you like. GTX 750 Ti was a quick and dirty (and reliable) upgrade to a five year old PC. I don't want the phone ringing down the road. I'm confident given what my nephew's PC is I gave him the best $120 upgrade he would have for it.



The power limit on the GTX 750 Ti is only 38.5 W (in spite of the official 60 W TDP). They can run on almost anything.

well it shows it hitting 52 average and 57 watts peak right out of the box on stock clocks. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_750_Ti/23.html

and my main point was that no way in hell would the 270 be safe to use on an oem 300 watt psu when even the 750 ti would be sketchy on many of them especially for long term use. sticking a 138 watt 270 in an oem with cheap 300 watt psu that barely has 200 watts on the 12v line would be stupid.

 

[ronbo613]

Are you even reading the thread or any reviews posted within the last 6 months?

Not really, this is an automatically generated response.

If you simply just don't care about getting the best bang for your buck (or you want Nvidia Shield, Nvidia Grid, or some other proprietary Nvidia thing) THEN pick up NVidia.

The price of the video card is equally as important to me as performance. The video card is going into a five year old computer, it is not a top of the line gaming rig. The computer is primarily used for photo and video editing, I'm hoping to find a reasonably priced video card that will match the performance of five year old components so I can play a few games. I'm not going to come anywhere close to the benchmarks that have been provided here, no matter what card I buy.

The reason I am slanted towards nVidia, EVGA in particular, is because after years of ATI's crappy drivers, I decided to try nVidia cards and have never had a single problem and EVGA has always been quick to respond to any questions I sent their way, even though I was buying low end cards.

I may wind up with an AMD card, I don't know yet. I'm not really in a hurry to buy a card, when an opportunity presents itself(Black Friday would seem to be a better than average opportunity), I'll buy it. After having such good experiences with a well known company like EVGA, buying a video card from companies like XFX, Powercolor, or Zotec is somewhat of a leap of faith. This ASUS R9 280 is near the top of my list.

People posting here asking "what video card should I buy" most likely do not keep up to date on the latest video card releases. Some of you guys are obviously serious gamers who upgrade graphics cards on a regular basis. I don't want to do that, it's one of the reasons I bailed on PC gaming and bought an Xbox. I've been there, I still have a box of "cutting edge" ATI AGP graphics cards in the garage.

I do appreciate the advice and information put forth here. My computer is only going to get one more video card. After that, all my computer hardware dollars will go towards a new rig.

 

[tential]

Not really, this is an automatically generated response.

The price of the video card is equally as important to me as performance. The video card is going into a five year old computer, it is not a top of the line gaming rig. The computer is primarily used for photo and video editing, I'm hoping to find a reasonably priced video card that will match the performance of five year old components so I can play a few games. I'm not going to come anywhere close to the benchmarks that have been provided here, no matter what card I buy.

The reason I am slanted towards nVidia, EVGA in particular, is because after years of ATI's crappy drivers, I decided to try nVidia cards and have never had a single problem and EVGA has always been quick to respond to any questions I sent their way, even though I was buying low end cards.

I may wind up with an AMD card, I don't know yet. I'm not really in a hurry to buy a card, when an opportunity presents itself(Black Friday would seem to be a better than average opportunity), I'll buy it. After having such good experiences with a well known company like EVGA, buying a video card from companies like XFX, Powercolor, or Zotec is somewhat of a leap of faith. This ASUS R9 280 is near the top of my list.

People posting here asking "what video card should I buy" most likely do not keep up to date on the latest video card releases. Some of you guys are obviously serious gamers who upgrade graphics cards on a regular basis. I don't want to do that, it's one of the reasons I bailed on PC gaming and bought an Xbox. I've been there, I still have a box of "cutting edge" ATI AGP graphics cards in the garage.

I do appreciate the advice and information put forth here. My computer is only going to get one more video card. After that, all my computer hardware dollars will go towards a new rig.

I don't want to write you an essay (I LOVE writing them though), but quite frankly your information is outdated. You're purchasing like many consumers do, on prior experiences. Which isn't how the tech sector works.

I'll give you the example of when I purchased my Pentium 4 PC. It died within a couple of years. I had to replace the PC so I purchased a AMD x64 3200+ processor. Not because of the bad experience with Intel, but because of DATA that showed it was the best processor at the time. It was the best processor at the time, and I loved it. So moving forward, I had a great experience with AMD, what did I purchase? An Intel Core 2 Duo. Why? Because DATA told me to do so. Those who didn't listen to data bought AMD processors and "suffered" with less performance. My Core 2 Duo Laptop however? It's still running right now as my most used PC. Almost 7 years now and I use it 99% of the time.

My next CPU? My 4770k, I purchased last year.

If I had been a traditional consumer, I would have said "Intel sucks I'll never puchase it again because my computer died!!!!" and I would have purchased an FX-8350 and an AMD laptop. I would have had HORRENDOUS battery life on my laptop and subpar performance, and an FX-8350 wouldn't hold a candle to the 4770k.

Please, don't be one of those consumers who just purchases based on years old experiences that hold 0 relevance to today. Purchase based on TODAY, not on years old experiences in the past. It makes zero sense to do so.

Edit: As you can see I only upgrade when I absolutely need to. I'm recommending to you based on longevity, not based on upgrading every couple of years (I'm a hardware enthusiast in terms of reading/data, in terms of purchasing I don't game enough to justify actually purchasing new cards every 2 years. I grew up enjoying technology as a kid so following the tech sector and hopefully working on the financial side of it is where I would like to end up so I follow it and follow as many companies as possible as well as their financial situations). The GTX 760/770 was a card Nvidia designed knowing full well the landscape of PC Gaming would change requiring people to upgrade again, and of course they'd come back to NV for another card. Amazing decision on Nvidia's part, one of the reasons I love them from a business perspective. AMD chose 3GB of VRAM when they didn't have to. Great decision for Longevity, and the reason why their cards are still performing well today while the GTX 760 has fallen off. But the landscape is about to change again with new cards/competition in early 2015.

I tried not to write an essay. I tried.

 

[ronbo613]

I don't want to write you an essay (I LOVE writing them though), but quite frankly your information is outdated. You're purchasing like many consumers do, on prior experiences. Which isn't how the tech sector works.

I'll give you the example of when I purchased my Pentium 4 PC. It died within a couple of years. I had to replace the PC so I purchased a AMD x64 3200+ processor. Not because of the bad experience with Intel, but because of DATA that showed it was the best processor at the time. It was the best processor at the time, and I loved it. So moving forward, I had a great experience with AMD, what did I purchase? An Intel Core 2 Duo. Why? Because DATA told me to do so. Those who didn't listen to data bought AMD processors and "suffered" with less performance. My Core 2 Duo Laptop however? It's still running right now as my most used PC. Almost 7 years now and I use it 99% of the time.

My next CPU? My 4770k, I purchased last year.

If I had been a traditional consumer, I would have said "Intel sucks I'll never puchase it again because my computer died!!!!" and I would have purchased an FX-8350 and an AMD laptop. I would have had HORRENDOUS battery life on my laptop and subpar performance, and an FX-8350 wouldn't hold a candle to the 4770k.

Please, don't be one of those consumers who just purchases based on years old experiences that hold 0 relevance to today. Purchase based on TODAY, not on years old experiences in the past. It makes zero sense to do so.

Edit: As you can see I only upgrade when I absolutely need to. I'm recommending to you based on longevity, not based on upgrading every couple of years (I'm a hardware enthusiast in terms of reading/data, in terms of purchasing I don't game enough to justify actually purchasing new cards every 2 years. I grew up enjoying technology as a kid so following the tech sector and hopefully working on the financial side of it is where I would like to end up so I follow it and follow as many companies as possible as well as their financial situations). The GTX 760/770 was a card Nvidia designed knowing full well the landscape of PC Gaming would change requiring people to upgrade again, and of course they'd come back to NV for another card. Amazing decision on Nvidia's part, one of the reasons I love them from a business perspective. AMD chose 3GB of VRAM when they didn't have to. Great decision for Longevity, and the reason why their cards are still performing well today while the GTX 760 has fallen off. But the landscape is about to change again with new cards/competition in early 2015.

I tried not to write an essay. I tried.

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate any and all input and advice regarding video cards because I don't keep up with the latest graphic card technology, I'm just a casual gamer trying to get the most bang for my buck.

 

[Phynaz]

gtx 960 ti.when is released...

Is not going to be $200.

 

[tential]

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate any and all input and advice regarding video cards because I don't keep up with the latest graphic card technology, I'm just a casual gamer trying to get the most bang for my buck.

That's what I figured. Casual Gamer trying to get the most bang for his buck is what I tailor my recommendation to.

If you're a fanboy (Some people are, I don't remotely understand it but they are die hard Nvidia/AMD fans), Hardware Enthusiast(Upgrade regularly), Need a certain feature (4K, HDMI 2.0, etc.), Building a Small Formfactor (Like a small minibox to fit in a TV Console that's the size of a PS4/XboxOne) or a combination of those, then my recommendation would change accordingly.

Me personally, my eyes are on the GTX 970 SLI (maybe 980) because HDMI 2.0 is an absolute requirement for me moving forward (My next TV is 4K and I treat my PC like a console hooked up to a big screen with Steam Big Picture, XBMC(with 22TB+ of Movies/TV), etc. but I'll wait til 2015 when there are faster cards that have a better chance at pushing 4K. I also want to see if AMD's new cards are HDMI 2.0 compliant or not.

 

[bryanW1995]

I'm chiming in on my personal experiences. There's a number of reasons why I've tended to avoid AMD cards. In my younger years, I would stick with X for Y reasons and debate fervently about it. These days, things are better from both companies. I do like Nvidia things quite a bit, actually. I've left my 660 cold though. I want the performance a 290 gives now and don't care to spend the premium a 970 commands at this point. Additionally, I think it's overpriced. Maybe my head is stuck in prices 5 years ago. I dunno. There's good arguments to like Nvidia things. There may be other things going on that make him/her prefer going that route. Frankly I still don't trust AMD's driver team (for promising to and then not patching City of Heroes - and then denying there was ever an issue). But, that was years ago. I can resell the 290 I just got if I want. So, I'll ride with the red team for a bit. If I get annoyed by not having Nvidia things or if something better comes out, I'll go back to green.

I'm genuinely interested in seeing what 2015 brings from AMD. I hope it's as awesome and others think it'll be. I want something better than the current Maxwell releases from Nvidia at better price points. ... I think I'll be waiting a while.

NOTE: EGA was a big deal when I started. I don't want to derail the thread on my experiences, but Diamond Stealth, Rendition, 3Dfx, Matrox, Nvidia, ATi->AMD.... You get the picture.

Not really, this is an automatically generated response.

The price of the video card is equally as important to me as performance. The video card is going into a five year old computer, it is not a top of the line gaming rig. The computer is primarily used for photo and video editing, I'm hoping to find a reasonably priced video card that will match the performance of five year old components so I can play a few games. I'm not going to come anywhere close to the benchmarks that have been provided here, no matter what card I buy.

The reason I am slanted towards nVidia, EVGA in particular, is because after years of ATI's crappy drivers, I decided to try nVidia cards and have never had a single problem and EVGA has always been quick to respond to any questions I sent their way, even though I was buying low end cards.

I may wind up with an AMD card, I don't know yet. I'm not really in a hurry to buy a card, when an opportunity presents itself(Black Friday would seem to be a better than average opportunity), I'll buy it. After having such good experiences with a well known company like EVGA, buying a video card from companies like XFX, Powercolor, or Zotec is somewhat of a leap of faith. This ASUS R9 280 is near the top of my list.

People posting here asking "what video card should I buy" most likely do not keep up to date on the latest video card releases. Some of you guys are obviously serious gamers who upgrade graphics cards on a regular basis. I don't want to do that, it's one of the reasons I bailed on PC gaming and bought an Xbox. I've been there, I still have a box of "cutting edge" ATI AGP graphics cards in the garage.

I do appreciate the advice and information put forth here. My computer is only going to get one more video card. After that, all my computer hardware dollars will go towards a new rig.

Interesting thoughts on Graphics Cards. I've had about a 60/40 split on Nvidia vs AMD over the years, though my current card is a 7970. I think that $300 is the most that I've ever spent on a card, though I'm usually at $200+. I have bought a few lower end cards as well though, most notably 9600 gso and 6600 gt bitd. I probably did buy a few more NV cards over the years b/c I like EVGA so much, but these days I just grab the one with the best deal at my price point. I've owned so many cards from so many companies and tbh EVGA isn't that much better than the rest of the NV or AMD vendors anymore.

 

[ronbo613]

Even though I've been partial to nVidia lately, I would have gone for a R9 270X or 280, but they won't fit in my mid tower case without removing a couple hard drives, which I can't do. Never had that happen before, video cards have gotten ridiculously large. That narrows the choices somewhat.

If there was some kind of emulator that let you plug in your existing hardware, enter the video card you are thinking of buying and see how it looks, that would be awesome.

 

[RussianSensation]

well it shows it hitting 52 average and 57 watts peak right out of the box on stock clocks. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_750_Ti/23.html

and my main point was that no way in hell would the 270 be safe to use on an oem 300 watt psu when even the 750 ti would be sketchy on many of them especially for long term use. sticking a 138 watt 270 in an oem with cheap 300 watt psu that barely has 200 watts on the 12v line would be stupid.

I already addressed it in my other post. You can get a new 500-700W PSU for $25-50. The PSU argument makes no sense because a crappy 300W PSU will always hold the system back for the next 30 years.

Here you go, with 5 min of research a Gold Rosewill 700W for $40:
http://slickdeals.net/f/7399522-low...-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-39-99-ar

Don't say well the PSU adds $40 extra. Ya, that's $40 over 10 years and never be limited to any crappy budget 75W GPU. At the low end, every extra frame rate counts. You can sell those AMD game coupons too to offset the cost of a new PSU.

As I said, both 750/750Ti are currently overpriced.