Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[apac]

It keeps the far less mobile Kevin Kolb from getting a season or even career ending concussion behind said O-line.

As I see it, he's either a franchise qb, or he's not, and that's the case regardless of your shitty O-line.

Case in point, look at Aaron Rodgers. He had a terrible O-line all last year, got sacked something like 50 times, and still managed to mature as a starting QB. If Kolb is just a glass cannon then he's no good to the team either. Might as well put him in for a handful of games and see what he can do.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

if kolb did start and he didn't play as well as vick was playing for the past game and a half, he'd be crucified. and vick is better than kolb right now...maybe not over the course of a season after kolb got some playing time, but as of right now, vick is the better qb.

 

[Perknose]

Mr. Vick acquitted himself in exemplary fashion this Sunday.

 

[OCGuy]

Yea Reid (even though it wasn' really him) gets to sleep easy for one more week.

I think Vick would have had a serious chance at a SB if 2006 never happened.

 

[Regs]

Phillys "Top Dog". Great head line.

 

[dbk]

Vick iz back

 

[classy]

Vick was a very mediocre QB. He had a cannon arm and awesome legs, but his QB rating prior to Philly had only broken 80 once and was never 60%+ in completion %. He was a pro bowler because of the fan vote.

Well....................is he still mediocre? Is he still Over-rated? LOL
What do the qb experts have to say now? hehehehehehehehe

 

[oddyager]

Well....................is he still mediocre? Is he still Over-rated? LOL
What do the qb experts have to say now? hehehehehehehehe

Agreed. Only a few months ago certain analysts were shouting for the team to not believe the hype and to trade Vick while he still has value. Kolb may certainly be a good QB but not on this team. Eagles o-line and game has always depended on mobile QBs and Vick fits much better.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well....................is he still mediocre? Is he still Over-rated? LOL
What do the qb experts have to say now? hehehehehehehehe

I'm not sure what QB experts have to say, but reading experts would say you can't read worth a damn. Which part of "Let's wait and see if he can do this consistently" do you not understand? He has had an awesome season, which I pointed out earlier in this thread. Note the word -- season -- is singular. Let's see him string 2 or 3 seasons together before we reserve a space in Canton.

His career stats outside of this season are terrible and you were repeatedly schooled on this by me and several posters in this thread.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Agreed. Only a few months ago certain analysts were shouting for the team to not believe the hype and to trade Vick while he still has value. Kolb may certainly be a good QB but not on this team. Eagles o-line and game has always depended on mobile QBs and Vick fits much better.

He has had an awesome season. Earlier this year, we all said he was having a great season but that he needed to do it consistently over a few seasons to be considered among the greats. I commented in this thread that Vick should be the starter.

Classy, on the other hand, wants to induct the guy to Canton when his stats prior to this season were extremely mediocre. I won't repeat them -- they're here in this thread.

 

[oddyager]

He has had an awesome season. Earlier this year, we all said he was having a great season but that he needed to do it consistently over a few seasons to be considered among the greats. I commented in this thread that Vick should be the starter.

Classy, on the other hand, wants to induct the guy to Canton when his stats prior to this season were extremely mediocre. I won't repeat them -- they're here in this thread.

Oh is that where Classy was coming from. Vick, Hall of Fame, ha ha ha.

 

[Homerboy]

I'm not sure what QB experts have to say, but reading experts would say you can't read worth a damn. Which part of "Let's wait and see if he can do this consistently" do you not understand? He has had an awesome season, which I pointed out earlier in this thread. Note the word -- season -- is singular. Let's see him string 2 or 3 seasons together before we reserve a space in Canton.

His career stats outside of this season are terrible and you were repeatedly schooled on this by me and several posters in this thread.

LOL I was just going to say pretety much the same thing. ICF was originally speaking entirely in PAST TENSE. Vick WAS mediocre and nothing more in the past. Exciting and dymamic? Hell yes. But a "Great QB" hardly. ANY EXPERT would and DOES say the exact same thing. That Vick is an ENTIRELY NEW QB. Did you not listen to any of the commentary last night (or previous games) where Jaws and Gruden repeatedly discussed and pointed out how Vick is a new man. Rejuvinated. Playing smart. Throwing smart.Something he never did before?

 

[classy]

He has had an awesome season. Earlier this year, we all said he was having a great season but that he needed to do it consistently over a few seasons to be considered among the greats. I commented in this thread that Vick should be the starter.

Classy, on the other hand, wants to induct the guy to Canton when his stats prior to this season were extremely mediocre. I won't repeat them -- they're here in this thread.

Correction maybe you can't read, but you were the one who brought up Canton. I said in the beginning he was one of the elite qbs in the league and still believed he was. You called him mediocre. Well I knew that was a foolish statement and now it looks like it came from a fool. So don't try and flip the script, you don't anything about qbs like I said and now you look like a complete bafoon. Yea Vick is mediocre....................yea right

 

[geno]

Yea Vick is mediocre

Thanks for stating the obvious, he is mediocre. His arm is nothing to write home about, he doesn't throw smart and he's not that accurate compared to a top-tier QB. Now, you add a set of legs and he can get out of some dicey situations, but he can't even get *that* right and winds up hurt every season because every once in a while he thinks he's a fullback and gets crushed by a D. Look through the smoke and mirrors, he's nothing special. Everyone makes a huge deal about a QB that can run, hell, McNabb had the same buzz about him when he first came into the league. Once it was clear he was aiming to be a more traditional QB, he fell into mediocrity.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Correction maybe you can't read, but you were the one who brought up Canton. I said in the beginning he was one of the elite qbs in the league and still believed he was. You called him mediocre. Well I knew that was a foolish statement and now it looks like it came from a fool. So don't try and flip the script, you don't anything about qbs like I said and now you look like a complete bafoon. Yea Vick is mediocre....................yea right

The only fool here is you -- you were the one who said he was always an elite QB, which is flat out comical. Read the thread and watch the people laugh at you. It was comical. The discussion was about Vick prior to this season. You said he was an elite QB prior to this season and you were completely and thoroughly embarrassed when posters posted statistical comparisons. You still have not provided statistical evidence to back your claim that he was an elite QB prior to this season; I, on the other hand, proved he was not. I'm still waiting for this proof from you. You even contradicted yourself in this thread when you said Vick was the best QB in the league and then turned around and admitted between 6 and 12 were better -- here is where I called you on it:

Great! That is not the discussion though. Try to keep up here. As I have mentioned -- NUMEROUS TIMES -- we are discussing pre-Philly. I have stated -- again, NUMEROUS TIMES -- that he is doing extremely well right now. A great QB is a consistent QB, so while Vick may have an awesome year, let's see a few more. Would you care for me to list a few QBs who had an awesome year or two and then faded into oblivion?

And by the way, you just contradicted yourself with the quote above as you said there were 6, and as many as 12, QBs who were better than Vick TODAY. So no, I don't have to name any better ones now; you listed 6 you said were definitely better. Self ownage for the win.

I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know. I am embarrassed for you -- almost. Seriously. Please post where I said Vick was mediocre this season.

Still waiting for responses, by the way:

1. Confusing the issue -- we're discussing the Atlanta days since that is Vick's largest body of work but Classy keeps bringing up this year. As I've said, repeatedly, Vick is awesome so far but the year is young so it would be unfair to judge his performance based on 2 games.

2. Confusing the various arguments. He keeps trying to say "You said he had no stats and that is dumb to judge him on stats!" That is untrue. I have said:

a. Vick has no stats to back your claims up
b. Vick has no championships to back your claims up
c. Vick has no passing records to back your claims up
d. And now thanks to Homer, another -- Vick has no MVP to back that up
e. Someone (too lazy to search, but it might have been Classy) made the comment "Vick just knows how to win." I compared his career winning percentage to other QBs, many of whom Classy claims Vick is statistically equivalent to, and proved that "No, compared to those guys, Vick doesn't know how to win." And true to Classy form, he claims that I am trying to shift my focus to another argument. Why would I "shift my focus" when I have been right on every single category above and have just provided even more evidence?

 

[Kev]

Well....................is he still mediocre? Is he still Over-rated? LOL
What do the qb experts have to say now? hehehehehehehehe

Nobody expected this from him, and if you say you did, you're just being dishonest.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Nobody expected this from him, and if you say you did, you're just being dishonest.

He is trying to save face in a thread where he was badly embarrassed. NO ONE denied Vick was having an awesome year at the time this thread was written, nor is anyone denying that Vick is still having an awesome season. The point that multiple posters made was that Vick was NOT an elite QB prior to this season and to be placed in the company of the truly elite QBs today (Manning, Brady), it takes much more than one season of great play.

 

[classy]

The only fool here is you -- you were the one who said he was always an elite QB, which is flat out comical. Read the thread and watch the people laugh at you. It was comical. The discussion was about Vick prior to this season. You said he was an elite QB prior to this season and you were completely and thoroughly embarrassed when posters posted statistical comparisons. You still have not provided statistical evidence to back your claim that he was an elite QB prior to this season; I, on the other hand, proved he was not. I'm still waiting for this proof. You even contradicted yourself in this thread:



I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know.

I am embarrassed for you. Seriously. Please post where I said Vick was mediocre this season.

Prior to this season Vick was one of the best qbs in the league. Best passer? No. But being a great passer doesn't make a guy a good qb. Your boy Peyton has had elite talent around him for most of his career, he has racked up tons of records, and has won only 1 Super Bowl. And still hasn't shown he can win a big game on his own. He didn't do it in Tennessee and hasn't done it in the NFL. Is he a great QB? Yes he is. Great passer, one of the greatest.
But if I had to win one game, Peyton ain't even in the top 15, maybe not even 20. See you like stats, you live on stats, but elite players, are more than just stats. For you to suggest Vick was mediocre was a joke. Then you brought up QB rating and "stats". But when I pulled up "stats" of some of the greatest and where Vicks' stats were comparable, then stats were subjective.
I brought this back up, honestly just to laugh in your face. LOL Hopefully you don't have to judge talent or hire people in real life, because if your qb assessments are any indication, you would be terrible at it. LOL, But hey dude is mediocre Yea Vick just played maybe the greatest game in the history of the NFL by QB and you called him medicore. "Shakes Head with a smile"

 

[classy]

Nobody expected this from him, and if you say you did, you're just being dishonest.

That game last night as a norm, no. But only a talent like Vick could have had a game like that. But people have always thought and believed the Vick you see this season, the complete qb, is the kind of QB he could be. Vick is unique and always has been, relied mostly on his physical gifts rather than using some smarts. The time off and Reid has helped him realize he needed to do more to be a better than just a good qb. Will he continue to work like he has, I don't know. But what you see is why he has always been considered one of the games best. The point being, he was never mediocre. Medicore passer, yes. But mediocre qb, no.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Prior to this season Vick was one of the best qbs in the league.

If you say best athlete at QB, no one would disagree. Best QB? No.

Your boy Peyton has had elite talent around him for most of his career, he has racked up tons of records, and has won only 1 Super Bowl.

Really, which multiple Pro Bowl receivers did Peyton inherit when he got to the Colts? Want to take a guess? No receiver on the Colts roster was a Pro Bowler when Peyton arrived. Marvin Harrison had been there for a couple of years already and it wasn't until Manning got there that he became great. Same with Wayne and Clark.

And still hasn't shown he can win a big game on his own. He didn't do it in Tennessee and hasn't done it in the NFL. Is he a great QB? Yes he is. Great passer, one of the greatest.
But if I had to win one game, Peyton ain't even in the top 15, maybe not even 20. See you like stats, you live on stats, but elite players, are more than just stats.

That's why I included career win percentage, which thoroughly debunked your argument that "Vick just knows how to win."

And if I had to win a game, there are probably 100 QBs I'd pick ahead of Vick.

For you to suggest Vick was mediocre was a joke. Then you brought up QB rating and "stats". But when I pulled up "stats" of some of the greatest and where Vicks' stats were comparable, then stats were subjective.

Not at all. I answered all of those questions and thoroughly debunked your contention. IIRC, you said Vick's stats were comparable to Elways. You failed to realize that while Elway had some bad seasons, he had a string of several great seasons. Which is exactly what I have been saying ALL ALONG -- to be an elite QB, you must string together several consistent seasons.

I brought this back up, honestly just to laugh in your face. LOL Hopefully you don't have to judge talent or hire people in real life, because if your qb assessments are any indication, you would be terrible at it.

Actually, I do, and as I mentioned, I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know. Anyone just has to read your ridiculous comments regarding Belichick to know that.

LOL, But hey dude is mediocre Yea Vick just played maybe the greatest game in the history of the NFL by QB and you called him medicore. "Shakes Head with a smile"

Please enroll in a reading course at the local community college. I will say it one more time, and one more time only: we were discussing Vick prior to this season in Philly.

 

[preslove]

I saw that the scoring was getting ridiculous in last night's game, so I brought it up on a pirate online video feed. Vick sure as hell looked like an elite qb, and the announces would not shut up about how fantastic he is.

 

[bignateyk]

Classy is an idiot.

Before this season Vick was never anything more than a mediocre QB. He always showed the POTENTIAL to be great, but he never elevated his game. He was flashy and had fan support, which is why he went to pro bowls.

After getting arrested and coming back, I think he is finally elevating his game to his true potential, which will make him great.

So, in conclusion, he could have been a great QB in the past, but he chose not to be.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Vick sure as hell looked like an elite qb, and the announces would not shut up about how fantastic he is.

He certainly has -- this year and this year alone.

 

[preslove]

Classy is an idiot.

Before this season Vick was never anything more than a mediocre QB. He always showed the POTENTIAL to be great, but he never elevated his game. He was flashy and had fan support, which is why he went to pro bowls.

After getting arrested and coming back, I think he is finally elevating his game to his true potential, which will make him great.

So, in conclusion, he could have been a great QB in the past, but he chose not to be.

I think coaching is often overlooked, too. A good qb coach can really really improve a qb. On the other hand, going to the wrong system can ruin a qb (or other player). I'm still convinced that had Jamarcus Russell gone somewhere like Philly, and not that mess of a team in oakland, he would have turned out decently (maybe not elite level, but not horrible). A bad team ruins talent. A good coaching staff improves it.

 

[Homerboy]

I saw that the scoring was getting ridiculous in last night's game, so I brought it up on a pirate online video feed. Vick sure as hell looked like an elite qb, and the announces would not shut up about how fantastic he is.

Well Gruden and Jaws get off on ANY player that is above average ESPECIALLY QBs. It is actually getting quite annoying how much these guys are drooling over players now. I used to like this MNF crew but they are getting pretty overbearing I think.