Vice-Presidential Debate Tuesday Night--Cheney vs. Edwards--What do you think?

[Thegonagle]

I mean, Edwards seems like a pretty smart guy, and I know he's been a successful trial lawyer, so he must be a pretty articulate, yet be able to remain cool under pressure.

Cheney, on the other hand, has been known to scowl, become visibly agitated, go on the defensive, and even lose his temper. (The "Go f*ck yourself!" incident comes to mind.)

When the topic turns to Halliburton, how cool do you think Cheney will be when Edwards brings up known facts that make him look corrupt?

Will Cheney be on Valium or Oxy?

 

[Hecubus2000]

I'm predicting that Cheney will stick it to Edwards, but you never know what will happen. It should be an interesting debate.

 

[ntdz]

i also think cheney will win. I think he'll make better arguments. Edwards is trial lawyer, so that'll help him. However, if I remember correctly, Edwards got slamed in the democratic primaries. Cheney is a very intelligent person who's quick on his feet, something I doubt even his opponents will disagree with.

 

[CycloWizard]

I think this will be the most interesting of the three debates. Cheney is the seasoned veteran, Edwards the young lawyer. Very contrasting styles and opinions, most likely. Just based on experience though I'd have to give the edge to Cheney. Of course, Edwards has made his living off of proving 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' things that were later proved untrue, so maybe he should just join the Bush campaign. Seems like a good fit.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think this will be the most interesting of the three debates. Cheney is the seasoned veteran, Edwards the young lawyer. Very contrasting styles and opinions, most likely.

Edwards is like 50, 51, 52, something like that, about the same age as my dad. That's not all that young from my perspective.

Of course, Edwards has made his living off of proving 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' things that were later proved untrue. . .

Such as?

 

[Pliablemoose]

I want to see Laura & Theresa debate, a close second would be the Bush daughters VS the Kerry daughters. I think bikinis should also be a requirement for the latter.

Back on topic, I agree, this is the most interesting debate (VP) for me personally.

 

[Genx87]

I think Cheney will have an upper hand here.

I would like to see a Theresa\Laura debate.

We could have Theresa losing her cool for 90 minutes using every profane word in the book lol

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think this will be the most interesting of the three debates. Cheney is the seasoned veteran, Edwards the young lawyer. Very contrasting styles and opinions, most likely.

Edwards is like 50, 51, 52, something like that, about the same age as my dad. That's not all that young from my perspective.

Such as?

Relative to Cheney, he seems very young. He's made millions on cerebral palsy cases, which have been shown to almost never occur due to malpractice.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Cheney VS THK would also be interesting, especially with dueling pistols

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt that Cheney will fare any better than Bush. He's repeated a lot of charges recently that have absolutely no basis in fact, and I'm sure that at least some of the questions will be pertinent.

I also suspect that Cheney is almost as intellectually lazy as Bush, having spent much of his life speaking to sympathetic or subservient audiences. He hasn't really had to convince any skeptics recently- he mostly preaches to the choir. Edwards, otoh, obviously is not intellectually lazy, at all, having spent most of his public speaking career in adversarial situations, where preparation and adaptation are key to success. Good trial lawyers prepare rigorously for Court appearances, and Edwards would not have become quite so successful if he wasn't very, very good at his craft.

This might turn into a very serious @ss-whupping, although I'm not really prepared to make that prediction...

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: ntdz
i also think cheney will win. I think he'll make better arguments. Edwards is trial lawyer, so that'll help him. However, if I remember correctly, Edwards got slamed in the democratic primaries. Cheney is a very intelligent person who's quick on his feet, something I doubt even his opponents will disagree with.

You must not have seen much of the Democratic primaries. Edwards did extremely well, especially for someone with so little time in national politics. He more than held his own in the debates. Kerry won on the spurious 'who is electable' question, not by outpointing Edwards.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think this will be the most interesting of the three debates. Cheney is the seasoned veteran, Edwards the young lawyer. Very contrasting styles and opinions, most likely.

Edwards is like 50, 51, 52, something like that, about the same age as my dad. That's not all that young from my perspective.

Such as?

Relative to Cheney, he seems very young. He's made millions on cerebral palsy cases, which have been shown to almost never occur due to malpractice.

The cerebral palsy study was published in 2003, a little too late for Edwards who won those cases in the 80's. I don't like trial lawyers and am pissed off that Kerry chose him instead of the General, but can you at least get your facts right?

 

[Isla]

I am curious to see how they each do because of what I see as each one's individual motivation for running for office.

Cheney is, in my opinion, completely motivated by selfish interests. Edwards, on the otherhand, seems driven by honoring the memory of his son. Of course, you could argue that is a selfish interest as well... but it is, in my opinion, the more pure inspiration.

That's just how I see it, based on watching both, reading about both, and listening to both for some time.

 

[tallest1]

I think Edwards will win due to the fact that Cheney, when interviewed on TV would always reply to an accusation with "I didn't say that!" followed by a clip of him saying the exact words. He may be smart but he has a bad memory

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It'll be interesting. Cheney is certainly felt to have more gravitas than Edwards, but polls show that Cheney has the lowest likeability ratings of the four men on the major-party tickets, and Edwards the highest. Edwards has apparently never engaged in one-on-one political debate, but was an incredibly successful trial lawyer, a job that involves substantially the same skill set, so I can't imagine he'll get spanked.

These two couldn't be much further apart in terms of their style.

Given the momentum the Kerry campaign is presently enjoying, I think the Democratic camp will be happy to escape this debate with a draw. No idea how it will actually play out.

 

[Kibbo]

That very momentum might raise the expectations for Edwards to the point where he has no hope but to dissappoint.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: ntdz
i also think cheney will win. I think he'll make better arguments. Edwards is trial lawyer, so that'll help him. However, if I remember correctly, Edwards got slamed in the democratic primaries. Cheney is a very intelligent person who's quick on his feet, something I doubt even his opponents will disagree with.

You must not have seen much of the Democratic primaries. Edwards did extremely well, especially for someone with so little time in national politics. He more than held his own in the debates. Kerry won on the spurious 'who is electable' question, not by outpointing Edwards.

That's what I was about to say. A couple of news programs did some comparions and they all pointed out that Edwards did really well in the primary debates. All 9 of them or so. He was also declared the "winner" in a couple of them. I believe Edwards will edge out Cheney because he'll bring up a lot comments that Cheney made in the past. The "we'll be treated as Liberator" comments especially. Also that whole "if you vote for Kerry we'll get attacked again". A lot of Cheney's old comments will come to haunt him.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think Cheney will have an upper hand here.

I would like to see a Theresa\Laura debate.

We could have Theresa losing her cool for 90 minutes using every profane word in the book lol

LOL...I could see Cheney telling her to FVCK off and her telling him to eat Sh|t and die!

hehehehe!

Mr. Cheney, would you like Ketchup with your fries? :Q

On topic....not sure who would win....the trial lawyer or the mobster......I would have thought Bush would have done better and was totally suprised by the debate. Time will tell!!!

 

[imported_DealSeeker]

finally an opportunity to hear the real ruler of this country talking...

 

[Veramocor]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think this will be the most interesting of the three debates. Cheney is the seasoned veteran, Edwards the young lawyer. Very contrasting styles and opinions, most likely. Just based on experience though I'd have to give the edge to Cheney. Of course, Edwards has made his living off of proving 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' things that were later proved untrue, so maybe he should just join the Bush campaign. Seems like a good fit.

Minor nitpick: Actually it would be a preponderance of the evidence considering he was a lawyer in civil litigation.

 

[daveshel]

The likability factor could actually allow Cheney win on the merits while Edwards would be perceived the winner by voters.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
The cerebral palsy study was published in 2003, a little too late for Edwards who won those cases in the 80's. I don't like trial lawyers and am pissed off that Kerry chose him instead of the General, but can you at least get your facts right?

Did I say when the study was published? No. This case just demonstrates his character. Will he give the money back to these doctors? Will he give them their OB practices back? Will he give them the hundreds of thousands of dollars that each of them has paid in malpractice insurance premium increases as a result of his cases back? He's sitting pretty on ill-gotten gains that are based on myths that he perpetuated while others, good doctors, suffer. I guess what I'm trying to say is that wrongful malpractice suits really piss me off. If I had to pick one of the four to fight, it would be Edwards.

Of course, the issue at hand is his skill at manufacturing facts to support his case, which is what his trial lawyer career is based on and what will give him the best shot in the debates. This is also why I suggested he join the Bush patrol, since they seem to share his affinity for it.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: NJDevil
The cerebral palsy study was published in 2003, a little too late for Edwards who won those cases in the 80's. I don't like trial lawyers and am pissed off that Kerry chose him instead of the General, but can you at least get your facts right?

Did I say when the study was published? No. This case just demonstrates his character. Will he give the money back to these doctors? Will he give them their OB practices back? Will he give them the hundreds of thousands of dollars that each of them has paid in malpractice insurance premium increases as a result of his cases back? He's sitting pretty on ill-gotten gains that are based on myths that he perpetuated while others, good doctors, suffer. I guess what I'm trying to say is that wrongful malpractice suits really piss me off. If I had to pick one of the four to fight, it would be Edwards.

Of course, the issue at hand is his skill at manufacturing facts to support his case, which is what his trial lawyer career is based on and what will give him the best shot in the debates. This is also why I suggested he join the Bush patrol, since they seem to share his affinity for it.

I guess that shows you how low the Bush team has sunken when a scum-of-the-earth trial lawyer won't touch 'em with a ten-foot pole, right?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I guess that shows you how low the Bush team has sunken when a scum-of-the-earth trial lawyer won't touch 'em with a ten-foot pole, right?

Try adding something to at least one thread, rather than just following me around and blindly trolling.

 

[raildogg]

Cheney is a veteran politician, he knows how to get around issues and how to fool his opponents. While Edwards has been in politics for a short while but is very sharp and uses his previous court room style. In terms of foreign policy, Cheney will have an advantage but in terms of domestic issues, its a toss up