Vice President Clinton

[pstylesss]

I can see how Clinton fans would like her to be VP because at least it's something, right?

But Obama fans, does he lose some credibility with being someone for change by choosing HRC as his running mate? She is exactly who he said is part of the problem, right?

What do you think?

 

[nageov3t]

I supported Clinton, insomuch as I supported any democratic candidate (registered republican, voted for McCain in the NJ primary, undecided for November)... I don't support her as a VP candidate, though.

not only does it seem like a booby prize, it seems like it would be a step down in terms of power and prestige from being a senator.

 

[theeedude]

I don't like it. Honestly let Obama just run, lose and make room for Clinton to run again in 2012.

 

[mxyzptlk]

^^^ What do you see that would be so great about a(nother) Clinton presidency that would be worth toughing out 4 years of McCain? ^^^

Originally posted by: loki8481
...it seems like it would be a step down in terms of power and prestige from being a senator.

But doesn't the VP get to cast the deciding vote in the event of a tie in the senate? Doesn't that automatically make VP like some kind of honorary super senator?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't like it. Honestly let Obama just run, lose and make room for Clinton to run again in 2012.

Maybe Obama will give her a prestigious cabinet position for his 8 years?

 

[Tab]

Vice President Clinton.

No!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't like it. Honestly let Obama just run, lose and make room for Clinton to run again in 2012.

Maybe Obama will give her a prestigious cabinet position for his 8 years?

Junior senators don't give out cabinet positions.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Well, there's a left-communist ticket I cannot vote for. Talk about not middle of the road. The moderates will flock to McCain.

If I were Obama, I would ask myself if I want to be looking over my shoulder for four years. Does he remember HillaryCare? Not even her husband as President could control that.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't like it. Honestly let Obama just run, lose and make room for Clinton to run again in 2012.

Maybe Obama will give her a prestigious cabinet position for his 8 years?

Junior senators don't give out cabinet positions.

Of course not; you have to wait until he takes office next January. President Obama could use her as Sec. of HHS, to help shape his new initiative for health care.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't like it. Honestly let Obama just run, lose and make room for Clinton to run again in 2012.

Maybe Obama will give her a prestigious cabinet position for his 8 years?

Junior senators don't give out cabinet positions.

but they do, apparantly, give out vice presidential positions

 

[jonks]

Any Obama supporter who doesn't vote for him because he picks Clinton for VP is more ridiculous than those Clinton supporters who will vote McCain over Obama.

 

[Mxylplyx]

As someone who hates both the parties, my unbiased opinion would be that it would be a benefit to the ticket if Hillary was given the VP slot, given the fracture that has developed among the 2 core democratic constituencies, women and blacks. I didnt believe that several months ago, but I believe that democrats, in true democrat fashion, have managed to once again snatch defeat from victory by fracturing their party during the primary season, and a joint ticket is the only way I see that they might overcome that.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: jonks
Any Obama supporter who doesn't vote for him because he picks Clinton for VP is more ridiculous than those Clinton supporters who will vote McCain over Obama.

I wouldn't go quite that far but I'll agree basing a presidential vote on a VP is a bit silly.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Well, there's a left-communist ticket I cannot vote for. Talk about not middle of the road. The moderates will flock to McCain.

If I were Obama, I would ask myself if I want to be looking over my shoulder for four years. Does he remember HillaryCare? Not even her husband as President could control that.

How much would you like to bet on that?

 

[woodie1]

And as VP she would become #1 if anything happened to BHO, heaven forbid...LOL

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jonks
Any Obama supporter who doesn't vote for him because he picks Clinton for VP is more ridiculous than those Clinton supporters who will vote McCain over Obama.

I wouldn't go quite that far but I'll agree basing a presidential vote on a VP is a bit silly.

I dont think it is silly at all, particularly if your nominee is McCain, and even I dare to say if your nominee is black.

 

[Zebo]

Richardson is his best bet to maybe get some Hispanics on his side but then he's really screwed with whites. If i were him I'd beg Hillary and hope to keep all her voters. Either way he's screwed.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jonks
Any Obama supporter who doesn't vote for him because he picks Clinton for VP is more ridiculous than those Clinton supporters who will vote McCain over Obama.

I wouldn't go quite that far but I'll agree basing a presidential vote on a VP is a bit silly.

But I would go that far. Most Hillary supporters felt that experience is the most important criteria for president. It makes sense then that if she is not a candidate to pick the next most experienced person. Besides obviously being an uber racist, I feel the experience issue is very important. Now it's not so much more important than policies to me that I'd switch parties, but if you stick around for enough years you find that no matter which party is in power, shit doesn't change all that much regardless of policy. So you are back to who do you want calling the shots during a war and seriously troubled economy?

But not voting for the candidate you have supported throughout the primaries because his VP (an essentially honorary position) is someone you don't like? I find that pretty hard to figure out.

 

[OrByte]

AFAIK a ticket of BHO as Pres and HRC as VP still means that BHO is President. And HRC isn't. BHO would not be adopting any different message, if anything he would be working towards establishing himself as a uniter...and who better to unite than the bitter foes of this last primary season?

If HRC gets on the ticket as VP she brings the democratic establishment, the very establishment that NEEDS to unify with BHO and his message of change.

I think it would be good ticket. If BHO can unify the party in such a way that he receives superior support from the Ds then its a plan that could work. Superior to any other ticket that is.

He is going to go with the best ticket.

 

[Perknose]

I think Hillary would fit perfectly as a bulldog/attack dog VP candidate in the time honored vein of Cheyney and Nixon and Agnew. She could deflect a TON of heat from Obama and allow him to retain his "halo" more than otherwise, both as candidate and as Prez.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I honestly don't think this country is mature enough for a black man as president, let alone a woman as his running mate. It's a shame though, he'd get a great package with Hillary and Bill as advisors.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jonks
Any Obama supporter who doesn't vote for him because he picks Clinton for VP is more ridiculous than those Clinton supporters who will vote McCain over Obama.

I wouldn't go quite that far but I'll agree basing a presidential vote on a VP is a bit silly.

But I would go that far. Most Hillary supporters felt that experience is the most important criteria for president. It makes sense then that if she is not a candidate to pick the next most experienced person. Besides obviously being an uber racist, I feel the experience issue is very important. Now it's not so much more important than policies to me that I'd switch parties, but if you stick around for enough years you find that no matter which party is in power, shit doesn't change all that much regardless of policy. So you are back to who do you want calling the shots during a war and seriously troubled economy?

But not voting for the candidate you have supported throughout the primaries because his VP (an essentially honorary position) is someone you don't like? I find that pretty hard to figure out.

I am an undecided voter. Candidates should be pandering to me, to get my vote.

That being said, I am considering voting for Obama. If HRC is his veep candidate I will vote McCain, third party, or not at all. I do not believe that to be an unreasonable stance.

I do not trust HRC one stinking bit. For me, it is not a policy decision. I do not want someone in a position of power if I believe that the welfare of Americans is not in their top 5 concerns. Many things are beyond my control, this is not.

I would take the same stance if Obama's potential veep were Rush Limbaugh, Rupert Murdock, Al Franken, Bud Selig, or Drew Peterson. I believe the company you keep speaks volume about you. Obama running with HRC would prove to me that his judgment was suspect enough to warrant not being POTUS.

(Also, as someone's clever signature says: Saying Hillary Clinton has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a member of the Beatles.)

Edited b/c I used too many nots and ended up saying the opposite of what I meant.

 

[nageov3t]

But doesn't the VP get to cast the deciding vote in the event of a tie in the senate? Doesn't that automatically make VP like some kind of honorary super senator?

the vice president only has as much power as the president is willing to give them.

Cheney is more of a historical exception, which most VP's being relegated to working on their own pet projects and being wheeled out for photo ops.

 

[GoingUp]

I'm leaning towards Obama, but if HRC is anywhere on the ticket, I'm voting for McCain.

 

[LumbergTech]

i wont vote for a ticket with hillary on it..dont like her at all

i didnt mind her as much before this bunch of crap because i never really paid attention to her specifically..but ive seen what kind of politician she is and i dont want it

I love all these comments saying "that doesn't make sense" followed up by some ad hominem attack that in no way addresses the reasoning behind it