viatech ever going 32/28nm ?

[lagokc]

I think the atom CPU is barely suitable for basic web browsing. I find it absolutely laughable that HP is trying to do a server based on them. The via is completely unusable for anything with a human interface as it is simply frustratingly slow.

A lot of the systems chips like this go into aren't running Windows or a human interface. Some are being used to do things like "photo eye sees something", "start conveyor belt"...

So at least they're faster than 233MHz ARM chips

Browsing on an AMD E350 right now and it's ok for some things (movies, netflix, pandora juke box) but for web browsing at 1080 it's starting to get frustrating and it's incapable of even running Rome: Total War at minimal settings. And I think the E350 is faster than any Atom or VIA chip...

 

[Soulkeeper]

Hi all.

Here is performace actual VIA QuadCore L4700 CNQ processor at regular clock 1.2GHz.
source: http://diit.cz/clanek/test-via-quadcore-l4700e-1200-mhz/testy-kodovani-zvuku-a-videa and http://diit.cz/clanek/test-akcelerace-4k-h264-na-integrovane-grafice/via-vx11h-vx900 (pls use google translate or etc.)


With AMD Radeon HD6850 1GB GDDR5 GPU you can play some Multi-Threaded (optimized) games (1080p, high resolution) as F1 2012, Battlefield 3 MultiPlayer etc. (of course embedded board isnt for gaming but only "Yes We Can!")

And yes this year: native and monolithic (single-die) VIA QuadCore CN-R with 2MB L3 cache, SIMD up to AVX2 and 28nm lithography.

As soon as maybe one suprise in end of this year or next year: actual VIA QuadCore CNQ processor models comprise two dies, each containing two cores (VIA Nano X2), packaged in a multi-chip module (MCM) => "VIA EightCore CN-R processor" models comprise may be two dies, each containing quad cores (VIA QuadCore CN-R), packaged in a multi-chip module (MCM)...

Thanks for the links and welcome to the forums.

Looks like via is still alive and kicking

 

[Idontcare]

Welcome to the forums Tralalak :thumbsup:

 

[Olikan]

And yes this year: native and monolithic (single-die) VIA QuadCore CN-R with 2MB L3 cache, SIMD up to AVX2 and 28nm lithography.

 

[NTMBK]

Hi all.

Here is performace actual VIA QuadCore L4700 CNQ processor at regular clock 1.2GHz.
source: http://diit.cz/clanek/test-via-quadcore-l4700e-1200-mhz/testy-kodovani-zvuku-a-videa and http://diit.cz/clanek/test-akcelerace-4k-h264-na-integrovane-grafice/via-vx11h-vx900 (pls use google translate or etc.)


With AMD Radeon HD6850 1GB GDDR5 GPU you can play some Multi-Threaded (optimized) games (1080p, high resolution) as F1 2012, Battlefield 3 MultiPlayer etc. (of course embedded board isnt for gaming but only "Yes We Can!")

And yes this year: native and monolithic (single-die) VIA QuadCore CN-R with 2MB L3 cache, SIMD up to AVX2 and 28nm lithography.

As soon as maybe one suprise in end of this year or next year: actual VIA QuadCore CNQ processor models comprise two dies, each containing two cores (VIA Nano X2), packaged in a multi-chip module (MCM) => "VIA EightCore CN-R processor" models comprise may be two dies, each containing quad cores (VIA QuadCore CN-R), packaged in a multi-chip module (MCM)...

Quad core, 28nm? Nice!

 

[SocketF]

Yes we had that on the last page:

The latest news I heard about it was that one:
http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/...-About-Austin-powers-and-patents-1742927.html

I guess it will get stiff competition from Kabini ... but well maybe its AVX2 capability is good for some special tasks

Please note, however, that FMA is not included.

 

[Exophase]

Very curious about how the AVX2 gather instructions will perform. Those can be tricky and even Intel isn't going with a robust implementation in Haswell.

 

[Idontcare]

Very curious about how the AVX2 gather instructions will perform. Those can be tricky and even Intel isn't going with a robust implementation in Haswell.

Is Intel relying on the compiler to do the heavy-lifting? Itanium-style?

 

[monstercameron]

not really related but the price aint too bad for a quad core kit

http://www.e-itx.com/artigo-a1250.html

the pico itx board, not so much

http://www.e-itx.com/epia-p910-10q.html

 

[Exophase]

Is Intel relying on the compiler to do the heavy-lifting? Itanium-style?

No, nothing like that. All I really know is that it's microcoded: http://www.realworldtech.com/haswell-cpu/2/

Not sure what the exact implications are but I'm guessing at best 1 lane load per cycle. Potentially worse.

The ideal is to be able to get multiple loads per cycle for lanes in the same cache line; that's what makes Xeon Phi's gather and scatter as useful as they are.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

A lot of the systems chips like this go into aren't running Windows or a human interface. Some are being used to do things like "photo eye sees something", "start conveyor belt"...

So at least they're faster than 233MHz ARM chips

Browsing on an AMD E350 right now and it's ok for some things (movies, netflix, pandora juke box) but for web browsing at 1080 it's starting to get frustrating and it's incapable of even running Rome: Total War at minimal settings. And I think the E350 is faster than any Atom or VIA chip...

I understand that, hence why I qualified it with "anything with a human interface"

 

[Eeqmcsq]

I understand that, hence why I qualified it with "anything with a human interface"

You're also responding to a year old conversation.

 

[Roland00Address]

Edit: Stupid me I am responding to one year old posts Whatever I am going to keep what I wrote up, for it does matter in the current market. That said I should have not have been so intense, for those post were 1 year old but I did not notice it.

Can someone clue me in to why anyone would want another VIA CPU? I dont mean to sound stupid, but every VIA CPU I've used (C3 and neamiah) have been absolute dogs in terms of performance. I understand their market was power savings, but at the performance i saw in them i can deal with an intel ULV or even an atom.

You want more competition in the market, for more competition in theory drives better products.

The reasons why you listed are why Via is effectively not competing anymore in the x86 market. The products stink->thus no sales->thus no revenue to do design->thus stinky products ->

 

[Roland00Address]

Intel: great CPU, terrible GPU

While you may have a short brass tax version, in reality it is this

Intel Great Cpu, Intel Great Gpu if you grant the 3 following

1) Intel is willing to dedicate die area to the gpu in the chip (they do not do so with all their chips)
2) We are talking desktop replacement form factors and not ultrabooks (35w+ design)
If you take 1 and 2 for granted, the problem with number 3 is
3) But then they want to charge a price I do not want to pay for I am cheap.

Intel no longer makes sucky gpus, they just make expensive gpus and most people rather have a good cpu and a decent gpu but most importantly make the computer chip as cheap as potato chips.

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I said it in my post, but Nano can be a lot faster than Atom (at least clock for clock, not sure what the current clocks are like). You shouldn't judge every CPU they ever make based on experiences you've had with older ones.

I agree with your last sentence which I deleted from the quote since we agree. I left what I disagree for simplicity.

So *expletive* what, Intel can make ulv Core series processors that fit in netbooks and soon fanless tablets thinner than the ipad. The ulv Core series will blow everything out of the water in cpu efficiency per tdp in a tablet, netbook, or ultrabook form factor. Problem is no one wants to pay for it. Atom now is better pricing if you want pricing, and intel ULV is better performance if you want performance.

Pricing matters! There is almost no reason why the via Nano and possibly amd cpus to exist soon.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

You're also responding to a year old conversation.

So are you

I got an alert that it had been posted to and hence I had to reply

 

[Eeqmcsq]

Haha, you got me!

But speaking of VIA, I feel a bit sad for them. Today's low power CPUs have advanced so far ahead, VIA's QuadCore doesn't look desirable at all.

Using passmark as a rough estimate of performance:

Athlon II X4 620              : 2980
Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz               : 2978
Athlon 5350 APU               : 2632
Sempron 3850 APU              : 1732
VIA QuadCore L4700 @ 1.2+ GHz : 1363

I included the Q6600 and Athlon II 620 to show that low powered CPUs are approaching the 65nm/45nm generation of CPUs, which IMHO, is when CPU performance got "good enough" for the general, every day computing, which I think is a pretty amazing evolution for the low powered CPUs.

In any case, VIA QuadCore is being left behind. Well, I guess they'll survive in whatever markets they currently have, but I was hoping for more.

 

[Hans de Vries]

VIA QuadCore (4C 2GHz, 2MB L2) vs. AMD Athlon 5350 2.05GHz (QuadCore, Jaguar)

The SiSoft Sandra team itself tested Bay Trail here:
http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/rank201...595b3dae7d3f59da090b6cef3c2e481e4d9e9cfbc81b1
http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/?d=qa&f=cpu_byt


VIA QuadCore (4C 2GHz, 2MB L2)
vs.
AMD Athlon 5350 2.05GHz (QuadCore, Jaguar)
vs.
Intel Z3770, up to 2.4 GHz (QuadCore Bay Trail )

Higher Scores mean Better Performance.


Processor Arithmetic:
• VIA : 20.0 GOPS
• AMD : 22,66 GOPS
• Intel : 15.1 GOPS


Processor Multi-Media
• VIA : 50,2 Mpix/s
• AMD : 47.56 Mpix/s
• Intel : 25.9 Mpix/s


Processor Multi-Core Efficiency
• VIA : 3.1 GB/s
• AMD : 4 GB/s
• Intel : 1.7 GB/s


Processor Cryptography (High Security)
• VIA : 1.5 GB/s
• AMD : 1.48 GB/s
• Intel : 0.4 GB/s


Processor Power Management Efficiency (ALU)
• VIA : 2.9 GIPS
• AMD : 2.88 GIPS
• Intel : 2.5 GIPS


Processor Financial Analysis (High/Double Precision)
• VIA : 3.0 kOPTS
• AMD : 3.64 kOPTS
• Intel : 1.5 kOPTS