VIA to introduce 3 Hammer chipsets:

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ST4RCUTTER

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Here's the skinny:

The first is called the K8HTA, has an AGP4X/8X port, an 8X link, and is already sampling. It supports HDIT, will come on .22 micron technology and be built using a wirebond packaging.

The K8HTV supports 1.5 volt, again supports a 4X/8X port, has 8X V-Link, .22 micron technology, and comes in flip chip packaging.

The K8 UMA includes the Zoetrope GFX, again has AGP 4X/8X an 8X V link and has as its name suggests UMA support, will come in .15 micron technology and a flip chip package.

The first of these is already sampling, the K8HTB samples in July, and the K8UMA in October of this year.



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I hope AMD and SiS put out some solid chipsets too.

well, that and VIA getting rid of their problems.



new platform --> turn a new leaf right? :D
 
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Realize that the rumour is that "ClawHAMMER = Barton = Socket A". The KT400 would therefore be one HAMMER chipset, being that its to support Barton.

The other two would be one "K8-compatible with integrated graphics" and the other "K8-compatible without integrated graphics".
 
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You lost me there MadRat. Where did you see that the Clawhammer would be Barton? AMD has stated that the Clawhammer will be under the Athlon name...probably something like Athlon64. It will not be 462-pin compatible. The Barton will be an upgraded Thoroughbred with 512 L2 and most likely 166Mhz FSB. The KT400 would support Barton, but will probably be a niche product...if it gets used by mobo makers at all. The KT400 is not a "Hammer" based chipset.

 
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Dear god, I hope that nVidia and SiS are at least as far along with their chipsets and will be able to launch before VIA can.

The last thing the Hammer series needs is VIA dominating the chipset market for it like happened with the Athlon. The hammer has to be seen to be stable and high performing from the outset. I'm not saying VIA does not have its place in the scheme of things, it's just that it's place is not at the top.

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The only real prob is that VIA blows the big monkey from behind but really... Via is totally going to pull another Apollo take off of Intel's BX and we all know that sucked the monkeys' balls!
 
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I'm guessing that "Barton=ClawHAMMER=Socket-A" because:

1. Barton will have x86-64 support
2. Barton will have an improved L1 cache design
3. Barton will be Socket-A, although incompatible with existing chipsets link
4. Barton will be marketed as Athlon64
5. Opteron = SledgeHAMMER link, not ClawHAMMER link See chart
6. AMD is moving towards an all x86-64 strategy link
 
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Yeah but the Barton won't have SOI and an integrated northbridge and all of that... Because it will have to saypin compatible with Socket A while the Clawhammer will have all of this and more and therefore a higher pin count !
Clawhammer will be totally different !
 
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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Dear god, I hope that nVidia and SiS are at least as far along with their chipsets and will be able to launch before VIA can.

The last thing the Hammer series needs is VIA dominating the chipset market for it like happened with the Athlon. The hammer has to be seen to be stable and high performing from the outset. I'm not saying VIA does not have its place in the scheme of things, it's just that it's place is not at the top.

Greg
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VIA did not dominate due to performance and reliability, at the beginning they had neither. It was the fact that they had a chipset in mass quantities and no one else did. I feel Via?s KT266A is as stable as any i815 board out there. Considering all the different company?s who are in the chipset market now, it?s fair to say that the best chipset will win. If it?s VIA who wins, then their place at the top is well deserved. Many companies have had a sketchy past, but that doesn?t mean they can?t change their act. If VIA can offer fast and stable chipset?s (which they do), then I don?t see what the problem is. The Hammer is a completely different chip from the Athlon and it requires a completely different chipset, so saying VIA?s chipset would be bad for the Hammer right off the bat is completely out of line, as no one can possibly know that right now.
 
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The hammer has to be seen to be stable and high performing from the outset. I'm not saying VIA does not have its place in the scheme of things, it's just that it's place is not at the top.
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If the Hammer chipset by VIA is stable as my VIA KT266A board( Epox 8KHA+) then I`ve no problems with their chipsets,remember the quality of the board brand and model in question plays an important role to the final stability, also using quality parts with no user error in setup helps a lot ;).



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Originally posted by: MadRat
I'm guessing that "Barton=ClawHAMMER=Socket-A" because:

1. Barton will have x86-64 support
2. Barton will have an improved L1 cache design
3. Barton will be Socket-A, although incompatible with existing chipsets link
4. Barton will be marketed as Athlon64
5. Opteron = SledgeHAMMER link, not ClawHAMMER link See chart
6. AMD is moving towards an all x86-64 strategy link
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your got it all wrong. the clwhammer will be a high pin count package. it is not socket A compatible.
 
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<<your got it all wrong. the clwhammer will be a high pin count package. it is not socket A compatible.>>

I've scoured all of the review sites that have OPTERON information. Clearly the SledgeHAMMER is sampling as we speak, but nowhere is there a mention of ClawHAMMER's socket design. Even on AMD's website there is absolutely NO information on the exact pinout of ClawHAMMER, although its name will be linked to ATHLON. The ClawHAMMER only appears on roadmaps alongside BARTON with the only difference specifically between the two on the roadmap is the latters SOI-process. The SledgeHAMMER is OPTERON. Unofficially Barton was cancelled although we do know that AMD has never altered the roadmap to show that it will NOT be the future of the Athlon. Logic can be used to conclude that it is NOT wrong to say that ClawHAMMER may be Barton (but on the SOI-process) and released under the ATHLON namebrand as Athlon 64. Precedence for such minor changes between cores was set with the K6-III to K6-2/2+/III+ designs, the Thunderbird to the Spitfire*, the Palomino to the Morgan*, and the Palomino to the Thoroughbred.

* realize that the difference from Athlon to Duron is only its L2 arrangement, with the rest of the core layout identical.
 
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Madrat, what are you talking about? ClawHammer (K8 architecture) will have 754 pins and Opteron (K8 architecture) will have 940 pins. Anand (among many other web sites) was given this information directly from AMD.

Looking at AMD's roadmap, it's clear Barton is based on the K7 architecture and therefore will have 462 pins. AMD gives absolutely no indication that Barton will have x86-64 or SOI. In addition, all Hammer (K8 architecture) products are in orange, with all Athlon (K7 architecture) products in purple. Barton is in purple, ClawHammer is in orange. Barton does not = ClawHammer.

In regards to the info about VIA ClawHammer chipsets, I'd say that it's looking more and more like ClawHammer will launch in October.
 
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Hey, glad to see that article. Its strange that AMDs website came up pretty bare in the Clawhammer search but Anand's site has pics.

Makes me wonder what the extra pins are for from the ClawHammer to the SledgeHammer. Also makes me wonder why OPTERON/SledgeHAMMER gets all of the press and nothing on the other runs.
 
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The idea of users being plagued with 3 new VIA Hammer chipsets scares me. :)

Let's hope AMD doesn't mess this one up by relying on shoddy third-party core logic to form the bulk of the chipset base. If so, I smell disaster.
 
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Originally posted by: ST4RCUTTER
Here's the skinny:

The first is called the K8HTA, has an AGP4X/8X port, an 8X link, and is already sampling. It supports HDIT, will come on .22 micron technology and be built using a wirebond packaging.

The K8HTV supports 1.5 volt, again supports a 4X/8X port, has 8X V-Link, .22 micron technology, and comes in flip chip packaging.

The K8 UMA includes the Zoetrope GFX, again has AGP 4X/8X an 8X V link and has as its name suggests UMA support, will come in .15 micron technology and a flip chip package.

The first of these is already sampling, the K8HTB samples in July, and the K8UMA in October of this year.



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What's the difference between the K8HTA and K8HTV. "Supports 1.5 volt" doesn't make any sense. 1.5 volt what?
 
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ST4RCUTTER

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Let's hope AMD doesn't mess this one up by relying on shoddy third-party core logic to form the bulk of the chipset base. If so, I smell disaster.


I don't see AMD's decision to use third party chipsets changing anytime soon. I'm sure server solutions will be exclusively AMD. SiS should be close behind VIA with their SiS755 and SiS760 chipsets so VIA haters need not worry themselves too much...;)

If UMC chooses to manufacture high volumes of Hammer chipsets this would be a boon to the AMD platform. I think UMC will have their plate full with Tbreds and Bartons though.
 
BD231

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The idea of users being plagued with 3 new VIA Hammer chipsets scares me. :)

Let's hope AMD doesn't mess this one up by relying on shoddy third-party core logic to form the bulk of the chipset base. If so, I smell disaster.
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For the love of God! I think it's time for you to get over you grudge against VIA, your only cheating yourself :(
 
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Btw, anyone else notice that SiS and VIA are supposed to ship their ClawHammer chipsets in Q3.

That Digitimes report claiming that ClawHammer will launch in October is looking more and more accurate every day.
 
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ST4RCUTTER

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Btw, anyone else notice that SiS and VIA are supposed to ship their ClawHammer chipsets in Q3.

As excited as I am about Hammer chipsets in general, the one I'd like to hear most about is Nvidia. With the memory controller handled by AMD, I wonder what Nvidia could craft in the way of a kick arse integrated motherboard. I'm sure such a solution would put OEMs like HPQ and Micron in the drool zone.

:p
 
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<<The idea of users being plagued with 3 new VIA Hammer chipsets scares me. :)>>

The presence of Pabster-driven SiSism propagandas scares me even more.
 
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I've had several via motherboards all made by Asus and they were rock stable and had no problems with them. The people who complain are buying the crappy motherboards and thats where the problems arise from.


So we will have:

AMD
SiS
Via
Nvidia

Lots to choose from....
 
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