VIA should feel little impact from nForce2

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Pabster

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(from DigiTimes)

"...it is said to plan to maintain the price at over US$30, still high compared to VIA?s price of US$22 for its mainstream KT333 chipset."

Yeah, I don't see the big friggin' deal. So what if nForce/nForce 2 cost $10, even $20 more per chipset than VIA. Look at the night and day difference in stability. I'd gladly pay that extra, and I suspect I'm not alone. What is the obsession with ultra-cheap VIA core logic? I know price is a big deal and all ... but most people, by and large, would gladly spend -marginally- more for a stable, reliable chipset. It is a damn shame manufacturers' aren't offering that choice, at least in the Socket A arena.

I mean, really. Tough choice. $22 for KT333 or, let's say, $35 for nForce/nForce 2. Which would you choose?
 
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Derango

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I'd pay extra for stability. One of the main reasons I didn't go AMD when I upgraded is because, really, the only good chipset is via...I've had my share of via problems. If the nForce2 would have been out, I probably would have gone AMD.
 
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NFS4

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Originally posted by: Pabster
(from DigiTimes)

"...it is said to plan to maintain the price at over US$30, still high compared to VIA?s price of US$22 for its mainstream KT333 chipset."

Yeah, I don't see the big friggin' deal. So what if nForce/nForce 2 cost $10, even $20 more per chipset than VIA. Look at the night and day difference in stability. I'd gladly pay that extra, and I suspect I'm not alone. What is the obsession with ultra-cheap VIA core logic? I know price is a big deal and all ... but most people, by and large, would gladly spend -marginally- more for a stable, reliable chipset. It is a damn shame manufacturers' aren't offering that choice, at least in the Socket A arena.

I mean, really. Tough choice. $22 for KT333 or, let's say, $35 for nForce/nForce 2. Which would you choose?
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It was only a matter of time before Pabster went on his anti-VIA route :D
 
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BD231

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Pabster
(from DigiTimes)

"...it is said to plan to maintain the price at over US$30, still high compared to VIA?s price of US$22 for its mainstream KT333 chipset."

Yeah, I don't see the big friggin' deal. So what if nForce/nForce 2 cost $10, even $20 more per chipset than VIA. Look at the night and day difference in stability. I'd gladly pay that extra, and I suspect I'm not alone. What is the obsession with ultra-cheap VIA core logic? I know price is a big deal and all ... but most people, by and large, would gladly spend -marginally- more for a stable, reliable chipset. It is a damn shame manufacturers' aren't offering that choice, at least in the Socket A arena.

I mean, really. Tough choice. $22 for KT333 or, let's say, $35 for nForce/nForce 2. Which would you choose?
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It was only a matter of time before Pabster went on his anti-VIA route :D
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LOL, tell me about it, Pabster used to be the AMD king ;)
 
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mchammer187

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Originally posted by: Pabster
(from DigiTimes)

"...it is said to plan to maintain the price at over US$30, still high compared to VIA?s price of US$22 for its mainstream KT333 chipset."

Yeah, I don't see the big friggin' deal. So what if nForce/nForce 2 cost $10, even $20 more per chipset than VIA. Look at the night and day difference in stability. I'd gladly pay that extra, and I suspect I'm not alone. What is the obsession with ultra-cheap VIA core logic? I know price is a big deal and all ... but most people, by and large, would gladly spend -marginally- more for a stable, reliable chipset. It is a damn shame manufacturers' aren't offering that choice, at least in the Socket A arena.

I mean, really. Tough choice. $22 for KT333 or, let's say, $35 for nForce/nForce 2. Which would you choose?
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Nforce has had plenty of its own issues imo

the most stable AMD chipsets are the ones made by AMD then SIS/ALI(though ALI SUX) then VIA

i would really like to see AMD get into the chipset business full throttle
 
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Pabster

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Yeah, it'd be nice if AMD manufactured a nice plethora of their own chipsets to complement their CPUs. AMD-761 was awesome, too bad all the manufacturers' saved a measly $10 and opted to couple it with VIA's ubiquituous 686B, destroying stability and performance. AMD-766 would have been so much better. Ah well.

nForce had a few issues, but they were overblown (such as the 'superstability' baloney). I find that paltry in comparison to VIA... :p :)
 
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Rainsford

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While I don't share Pabster's hatred of VIA, I think that CPU companies make the best chipsets for their products. The AMD 760 was an excellent chipset, and I wouldn't hesitate to build a server with it or the MP version. But I think the problem is AMD doesn't have enough time/money to makes good chipsets and good CPUs at the same time. Intel does, and this will be an advantage of theirs for a while.

But remember that nForce was Nvidia's first try at a chipset (well, first real try). Their second one is bound to be better, and whether or not VIA has problems, I personally would pay a little more to avoid all the issues that some people seem to have. Plus I love Nvidia products. If their second one only improves a little on the stability of the first plus adds some features, I'll be all over it.

Edit: Oh, and it would be nice if it came out when it was supposed to and they had the non-graphics one right away.
 
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AmdInside

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I think it will hurt Via. Look at where the nForce is now. They have all of AMD's tier 1 customers. This raises the bar for the smaller OEM's who are trying to compete with these companies. The ones that want to offer a quality competing solution will go with nForce solution. The ones that want to offer the cheapest possible piece of crap system will still go with Via or SiS (piece of crap referring to an overall system, don't mean to attack SiS). NVIDIA is offering a chipset with AC97 audio so this should compete with the lower priced Via and SiS solutions.
 
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Mem

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I fancy trying a nForce Hammer board for my next upgrade,(I should point out to Pabster both my two VIA boards are working fine with no problems ;)) , it would be nice to add a nForce to my stable chipset list of Intel,SiS,VIA.Can I make it 4/4 you bet I can :D , nows where`s my Hammer hardware?



Stability is down to lots of things and the user at the end of the chain can effect the stability & performance ;).
 
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Telinar

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I use Via-based boards, and I have had no problems with them so far. Yup that's 0 problems with Via chipsets. Nothing wrong with Via here... Maybe you guys should look elsewhere for the source of your problems with these boards.
 
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human2k

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Originally posted by: Telinar
I use Via-based boards, and I have had no problems with them so far. Yup that's 0 problems with Via chipsets. Nothing wrong with Via here... Maybe you guys should look elsewhere for the source of your problems with these boards.
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same here........I have used KT133A, KT266A, KT333 boards..........all have been rock stable for me.........People still complain how via+creative = problems.........I have Zero problems with Sblive + kt266A. I even have friends that use via based systems with no problems. Although i'll admit that via's earlier chipsets where suck (kx133 and earlier to name one).


edit: I only use msi, asus, abit, and shuttle boards...........very solid board manufacturers.
 
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Insane3D

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Well, here we go again...:disgust:


Let me recap this thread ahead of time for all the lazy people...


Poster 1: "Via sucks! They are unstable crap!"

Poster 2: "I've used Via for a long time and had 0 problems! I think it's you that's the problem!"

Poster 3: "Yeah! Via Sucks!"

Repeat 100,000,000 times...:(
 
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Athlon4all

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I have used 2 SiS (630S, and 735), 2 VIA (KM133, and KT266A), 1 Intel (815EP) and 1 ALi (Aladdin V). I have had 0 problems with all of my SiS systems, and the 2 VIA systems have given me no trouble (except my KT266A has been locking up, It is likely the board, awaiting further judgment until I get a replacement from Newegg), my i815 has been great, and my 2 experiences with Aladdin V have just been horrible. So I think SiS, Intel and VIA are all good, ALi not too good, but I would consider them in the future.
 
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Tanked

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I hope VIA is hurt by the nForce, either so AMD will be forced to get into chipsets or so they'll improve their chipsets. I have an AMD 760 board with that lousy 686B southbridge, and all of my boards problems are related to the soundbridge.

"I have used 2 SiS (630S, and 735), 2 VIA (KM133, and KT266A), 1 Intel (815EP) and 1 ALi (Aladdin V). I have had 0 problems with all of my SiS systems, and the 2 VIA systems have given me no trouble (except my KT266A has been locking up, It is likely the board, awaiting further judgment until I get a replacement from Newegg), my i815 has been great, and my 2 experiences with Aladdin V have just been horrible. So I think SiS, Intel and VIA are all good, ALi not too good, but I would consider them in the future."

It's not really fair to compare the KM133 and KT266A to the Aladdin V, because Via's chips are Socket A while the latter is Socket 7.

Comparing the Aladdin V to VIA's MVP3, its like evening and night - The Aladdin V wasn't great, but the MVP3 was absolutely horrible.
 
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