VHS tapes as audio tapes

BirdDad

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Why did no one ever use VHS tapes to make a multi input recorder?
I figure you could arrange 4 autoreverse recording heads and make a machine that could record 8 different inputs of audio or one input for like a week
I tried cutting some VHS tape and putting it in an audio tape shell and recording and playback on it and it worked
VHS tape is still so cheap
This would be especially useful for the spy industry
 

BirdDad

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Thanks for the link I truely had no idea that anyone had done some serious work in this area
 

BirdDad

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since I had never heard of it I assumed it hadn't been done,and it hasn't been done with cheap VHS tapes
 

thomsbrain

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as posted above, the audio industry has been there, done that... with ADAT! (rhyme unintentional). they were 8 tracks of digital audio, generally CD-quality or slightly better in the later systems. the downsides as a recording medium were that you still had to rewind all the freaking time, the tapes weren't very durable, and if you wanted more than 8 tracks, you needed to string a bunch of the machines together and keep all the tapes sorted out. so as soon as hard disk recorders and DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations, such as Pro Tools) became options, the industry ran away from ADAT and never looked back. most modern pop/rock/rap recordings would simply not be possible without DAW's. even when ADATs were in use, most ADAT machines didn't have especially great converters or anything, so they never sounded very good... the chief advantage was they were cheap, and the tapes were really cheap compared to analog tape. a reel of quality analog 2" tape can cost $150 or more!

also, don't forget DAT! We had a stereo digital audio tape format for a while there. like ADAT, the rewinding thing really killed it for people, even though you could record to them. they are still in use sometimes in studios, where the engineer will record to one continuously, to catch practice takes, noodling, and talking in between "real" takes of songs. the theory is that you never know when someone will do something genius, and you better have it on tape! if the tape runs out and no one did anything genius that you didn't already capture with something else, you just rewind and record over it again.

edit: i forgot to mention that the 8-track digital thing was also done with Hi-8 camcorder tapes, and was basically identical to ADAT (could even sync with the machines), but was preferred because of the smaller size of the tapes. but the Hi-8 stuff never really caught on because Pro Tools came along and changed the ballgame.
 
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20 years ago I worked for a guy who owned a small 50's style restaurant. He would record music onto VHS tapes at EP speed so he could get 8 hours of play at a time.

Not a new concept.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
as posted above, the audio industry has been there, done that... with ADAT! (rhyme unintentional). they were 8 tracks of digital audio, generally CD-quality or slightly better in the later systems. the downsides as a recording medium were that you still had to rewind all the freaking time, the tapes weren't very durable, and if you wanted more than 8 tracks, you needed to string a bunch of the machines together and keep all the tapes sorted out. so as soon as hard disk recorders and DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations, such as Pro Tools) became options, the industry ran away from ADAT and never looked back. most modern pop/rock/rap recordings would simply not be possible without DAW's. even when ADATs were in use, most ADAT machines didn't have especially great converters or anything, so they never sounded very good... the chief advantage was they were cheap, and the tapes were really cheap compared to analog tape. a reel of quality analog 2" tape can cost $150 or more!

also, don't forget DAT! We had a stereo digital audio tape format for a while there. like ADAT, the rewinding thing really killed it for people, even though you could record to them. they are still in use sometimes in studios, where the engineer will record to one continuously, to catch practice takes, noodling, and talking in between "real" takes of songs. the theory is that you never know when someone will do something genius, and you better have it on tape! if the tape runs out and no one did anything genius that you didn't already capture with something else, you just rewind and record over it again.

edit: i forgot to mention that the 8-track digital thing was also done with Hi-8 camcorder tapes, and was basically identical to ADAT (could even sync with the machines), but was preferred because of the smaller size of the tapes. but the Hi-8 stuff never really caught on because Pro Tools came along and changed the ballgame.

everything said here is true.
Allow me to add some real life experiences....Want to visit the "Gates of Hell"?
Then simply decide to record a project on more than 3 ADATS synched together.....
Those temperamental POS will make anyone hate life.
The mechanics of this format is it's weak point, getting multiple machines to lock up with each other can take as much as 15 seconds , which never pleases anyone.

As a rehearsal device, they're ok, but the tape can defeat the intent.
A bad shell will screw up the tape path and ruin a recording.
I was the recipient of a BASF endorsement for my work with Neal Schon on a solo project I engineered for him on 48 tracks of ADAT..... yes 6 machines..... It went to 64 but we didn't use those songs.... ... don't ask me why, he's a goddamned artist is why.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
most modern pop/rock/rap recordings would simply not be possible without DAW's.

Not that that's a bad thing. ;)

Multi-track, multi-mike compressed JUNK is more like it. :|

Even more fun was running tape across the room from one deck to another for delay. :Q