Veteran's Day

Discussion in 'Politics and News' started by Londo_Jowo, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Londo_Jowo

    Londo_Jowo Lifer

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    Thank you to all that have served this country!

    All gave some and some gave all.
     
  2. Anarchist420

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    I don't celebrate for murderers. Some couldn't help it so not all veterans are bad people but they shouldn't be put above anyone else. I'm offended that my grandfather was conscripted to kill a bunch of nazis (probably all of whom were more innocent than most Americans at the time) and that Wilson got two of his uncles (one on each side) killed.

    Basically, veterans day wouldn't exist if the people who created veterans day didn't enslave the people who were to be celebrated for.

    They served the state, not the people.
    Yep... it was all so big fat hyper-businessmen like your grandparents could get above market profits and so people like you can continue to keep it all going by voting for neoconservatives like Ted Cruz.
     
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  3. Londo_Jowo

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    Veterans have sworn to defend and protect the US Constitution as well as enemies both foreign and domestic which is for the people and the country.

    If it wasn't for veterans your life could very well be drastically different.

    I didn't realize my grandparents were rich. One worked for the railroad and the other was a barber.
     
  4. techs

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    Anarchist420 is both an example of the greatness that is Americas freedoms and the lunatic fringe that must be kept out of power.
     
  5. fskimospy

    fskimospy Elite Member

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    The guy who doesn't work and lives off his parents' wealth complains about people being unjustly enriched.

    Pretty classic.
     
  6. Anarchist420

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    Perhaps it *could* be but if it was, then I'd probably be dead by now... I wouldn't know the difference. I don't like my life and really I wouldn't care if someone killed me now because I wouldn't know the difference.

    There is the saying "if you don't know, you won't know" and that applies well over 1/2 of the time.
     
  7. fskimospy

    fskimospy Elite Member

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    You know that going out and getting a job often helps give people a sense of accomplishment and worth that might really improve your quality of life.
     
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    We were in our local parade yesterday with my 8 year old girls scout troop.

    Watching the old men salute the flag as the girls carried it by was touching.

    It got me thinking we as the citizenry owe it to our men and women serving to ensure our leaders only rely on their service to defend us from legitimate threats. Too many dead soldiers fighting for dumb causes, that in no way erodes the service and the displayed love for country our soldiers display.

    I was thrilled that most under anticipated the size of our local celebration and parade it's was huge and a great reminder after another divisive election that were all Americans.

    There was no Obama. no Romney, no democrat, no republican, no ideology.

    Just displayed gratitude for all those who serve and served.
     
  9. EagleKeeper

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    We served so others may have the freedom to disagree without having to give up their own lives.
     
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    We could only be so lucky.
     
  11. Dr. Detroit

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    Find a bridge or go play on some train tracks!

    The freedom that you have to spout the garbage that you do is due to the lives that service men and women have given to protect your freedom.
     
  12. Juror No. 8

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    Then why aren't they doing it? The biggest enemies of this country are in Washington D.C. (District of Criminals).

    When is the military going to invade D.C. and bring all those terrorists to justice?

    LOL. Yes, without the military killing brown people all over the world, my life would be a real disaster!

    Woe be thy name of the man who has to deal with brown people!
     
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    Is that really why you served? Was it really a case of selfless charity? Or was there some selfish interest in it for you?
     
  14. Juror No. 8

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    What "freedom" do you think you have?
     
  15. Geosurface

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    You're welcome! And, if I recall correctly, a thank you back at you is in order too. So thank you.

    My service pales in comparison to many others, just a few years spent on a submarine packed with world-ending nuclear missiles, but I'm glad I did it. It helped to enlighten me about people I had previously dismissed as thoughtless bigots (conservatives) and in fact, helped me leave behind some naive notions about the necessity of the military and war.

    Believe it or not, I enlisted as a die-hard liberal and a hugely anti-war, anti-military type. I wanted to challenge my own preconceptions and see if they held up, and do something entirely out of my comfort zone. Mission accomplished. The preconceptions did NOT hold up.
     
  16. Drako

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    A big thank you to all who have served, and those that still do. :thumbsup:
     
  17. Londo_Jowo

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    LMAO!! The two most vocal in this thread are trashing the service of veterans which include their hero Ron Paul who served in the Air Force.
     
  18. NotesWithWings

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    On this Veterans Day please help give recognition to the "Unknown Soldier" by commenting at his page.

    Our "Unknown Soldiers" are fallen Hero's with lost name, the story in itself is very touching. Thousands of parents, friends and family can unite together to give our hero's the recognition they deserve:
    https://www.noteswithwings.com/unknownsoldier_usa

    To view our Military network and forums please visit:
    https://www.noteswithwings.com/special_events/lest_we_forget/remember_them.php

    This Military Specialist service is new and has been created by Soldiers for Soldiers.
     
  19. Juror No. 8

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    Hey, if you can't argue a point, just create a straw man argument and go from there!
     
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    In the beginning:
    Yanked out of college before time scheduled - not able to formally graduate
    I took a career that did not provide for my family to the point that my children were eligible for free lunches.
    Pay itself was half what my best man was earning out of college.
    Nearest quality of medical care for my wife was 200 miles away.
    Lived in a community where the military was only wanted for the money that they spent.

    After leaving active duty - woken up in the middle of the night and told to be ready to depart without being told where, why or how long.

    Being told that after a 6 hour flight after a 10 work day; that I had to drive 10 miles out of my way just to fill out paperwork before trying to get some sleep

    Yes, I think I was selfish in my interests.
     
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  21. boomerang

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    An enormous thank you to all that served in whatever capacity.

    As I have grown older I feel compelled to tell a story on Veterans day. It's a story that I don't know as well as I should and one I'll never know fully.

    It's a story about a 16 year old that lied about his age to join the Navy in WWII. About how he thought he'd pulled some pretty good duty aboard a hospital ship called Hope. He never saw action aboard that ship but he saw plenty of the aftermath. His job was to go ashore after the battles and bury the body parts and the dead. His orders sometimes were to bury them where they lay and as the tide rose and the surf came in they were released from their hasty graves and he'd get to bury them again and again.

    He was in the second boatload ashore at Hiroshima, the Navy having told them it was safe. He saw unfathomable devastation and people with unimaginable injuries. Later in life he would wake up some mornings with huge swellings on his back or inside his thighs that would subside on their own later in the day. He had strange and unusual ailments that were debilitating in nature and late in his life he was unable to walk. He was in constant pain for nearly 30 years.

    He never spoke of what he experienced. I learned it in bits and pieces and as I said I'll never know the whole story. He did not share his experiences even with his spouse until just a few years before his death. One thing that was shared with me is that he went to sleep every night hoping that he would not relive his experiences during the war. He never got relief from that and would wake up most nights screaming as the thoughts raced through his head in nightmares that just would not go away.

    He tried to commit suicide three times that I know of for sure. Had a bought with alcoholism. But he provided for his family, kept a roof over their head and maintained a lower middle class lifestyle while holding a job, raising two children and was married to the same woman all his life.

    He wrote numerous letters to the VA asking for help and all were ignored. Later in life they started to pay attention only when his spouse got involved. PTSD was not considered real and proving it was a tough sell.

    Thank you for your service Dad. I hope your death has brought you the peace you never had during your lifetime.
     
  22. Juror No. 8

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    I wonder if maybe you didn't have a better choice. Regardless, I have no reason to believe you served for anyone's benefit other than your own.

    If all these military people and veterans chose to serve so that they could "protect the freedoms of Americans", why is America growing less and less free? Why is the number of laws, statutes, regulations, and alphabet agencies designed to restrict freedom going up and not down?

    Answer: Because it's all just a bunch of bullshit, that's why.
     
  23. Londo_Jowo

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    What have you done beside bitch?
     
  24. boomerang

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    He was the booger eating champ of the fifth grade.
     
  25. Juror No. 8

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    I seek and destroy bullshit myths like the one you're peddling in this thread.

    Somebody's got to combat all the brainwashing you've been subjected to.