Very first focus group on after Rep debate picks clear winner: Fred Thompson

hellokeith

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I've been quietly hoping Fred would do well for a little while now. The Fox News Commentators seemed to favor asking direct questions to the "front runners" and letting the rest rebut. So with the lesser time he got, I thought he did a respectable job. By no means is he good/polished at speaking as Romney or Huckabee, but he holds his own with McCain and Giuliani. Ron Paul was just a trainwreck.. he has some interesting points, but a President can't act like that.. it's frankly embarrassing.

Anyways, so directly after the debate is Hannity & Combs, and they go straight to a South Carolina Republican focus group. A large majority said Fred Thompson was the debate winner. I was stunned! I thought he did ok, but the winner? Perhaps this was the first time they got a chance to hear his message which appeals equally to fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, and military families.

And the funniest (not so surprising I suppose) was when asked who was the loser, the entire group said Ron Paul almost in unison. Like I said, he has some interesting points, but that guy is kinda whacko.. maybe he should be John Edwards' VP???
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
And the funniest (not so surprising I suppose) was when asked who was the loser, the entire group said Ron Paul almost in unison. Like I said, he has some interesting points, but that guy is kinda whacko.. maybe he should be John Edwards' VP???

First of all, Paul?s the only one up there with true dedication to what is required to help our economy. Conservatives have the right idea, but like Bush most aren?t dedicated to seeing it done.

His faults would come down to foreign policy and not being the right man for the job. Hell, I hardly even care about the later and the former really crawls the wrong way on me. It really pushes me over the edge away from him.

Still, I?m always stuck with a few dilemmas. What good is foreign policy without a nation, and what good is one man VS the Washington establishment? Fate is cast by the will of men, and in America?s future our fate is decided. Rome will burn once more and the only choice left to us is what we?re doing as it does.

Watch for the economic collapse to pave the way for far worse things.
 

Duddy

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Paul's answer on economics was smarter and more articulate than all the answers of the other guys put together.

hellokeith, your a sheep and you need to wake up.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Watch for the economic collapse to pave the way for far worse things.

That appears to be the direction in which we are heading. None of the higher-polling candidates have any ideas to solves our economic problems. That said, the people voting for them probably don't understand our economic conditions, they don't understand why the dollar is collapsing. And when they hear things like a $53 Trillion IOU, it goes in one ear, and quickly out the other.
 

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What exactly did Ron Paul do that is unacceptable?

I don't believe in this 'he's not presidential' bullshit.. I mean.. look what 'presidential' meant for the last few... resign.. read my lips - oh wait.. I'm lying.. impeached.. cheated on the first lady.. a moron..

I don't want the guy that's presidential..

Vote for Romney if you want the prettiest.

Vote for Thompson if you want the guy that can act the part.

Vote Giulliani if you think terrorism is the worst issue facing the US.

Vote McCain if you think the troops themselves are misguided.. but you support them nonetheless.

Vote Huckabee if the strong arm of the law should force Christianity upon us.

Vote Paul if you want honesty.. understanding.. and the ability to distinguish between personal motives and what is fair for everyone.



I'm sorry.. but the more you call Paul kooky, the more you're calling the establishment correct.. And right now, the 'establishment' is Fox News, Hillary Clinton, the war in Iraq, the potential bombing of Iran, the government debt, the falling middle class, the rising ultra-rich, the falling of the dollar, giving up civil liberties for temporary safety, ignorance of the Constitution, amnesty for illegal immigrants, outsourcing, and everything else that must be fixed....
 

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
What exactly did Ron Paul do that is unacceptable?

I don't believe in this 'he's not presidential' bullshit.. I mean.. look what 'presidential' meant for the last few... resign.. read my lips - oh wait.. I'm lying.. impeached.. cheated on the first lady.. a moron..

I don't want the guy that's presidential..

Vote for Romney if you want the prettiest.

Vote for Thompson if you want the guy that can act the part.

Vote Giulliani if you think terrorism is the worst issue facing the US.

Vote McCain if you think the troops themselves are misguided.. but you support them nonetheless.

Vote Huckabee if the strong arm of the law should force Christianity upon us.

Vote Paul if you want honesty.. understanding.. and the ability to distinguish between personal motives and what is fair for everyone.



I'm sorry.. but the more you call Paul kooky, the more you're calling the establishment correct.. And right now, the 'establishment' is Fox News, Hillary Clinton, the war in Iraq, the potential bombing of Iran, the government debt, the falling middle class, the rising ultra-rich, the falling of the dollar, giving up civil liberties for temporary safety, ignorance of the Constitution, amnesty for illegal immigrants, outsourcing, and everything else that must be fixed....

QFT!
 

hellokeith

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Paul's answer on economics was smarter and more articulate than all the answers of the other guys put together.

hellokeith, your a sheep and you need to wake up.

Nice lack of reading comprehension of my OP, and nice spelling/diction errors in your post.

Like I said, RP has some interesting points, but he's no where near Presidential material. Even the democrat analysts on Fox said RP was just too extreme.

Yes the deficit is troublesome, I don't think anyone would argue with that. Nevertheless, the US Govt has spent more money annually than it has taken in since day 1.. throughout Dem & Rep Presidents & Congresses. One of Fred's key messages is proposing changes that actually have a chance of becoming law, versus promising the sky and not delivering it.
 

Moonbeam

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People who threaten corporate America are labeled insane. Nobody will vote for a mad person.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who threaten corporate America are labeled insane. Nobody will vote for a mad person.

I would, but then I'm a clown. :D
 

laFiera

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You rely on fox news to get conservative viewpoints?
I admire your courage! now you can go ahead and explain why murdoch is funding hillary's campaign...
 

BrownTown

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I'm sorry.. but the more you call Paul kooky, the more you're calling the establishment correct.. And right now, the 'establishment' is Fox News, Hillary Clinton, the war in Iraq, the potential bombing of Iran, the government debt, the falling middle class, the rising ultra-rich, the falling of the dollar, giving up civil liberties for temporary safety, ignorance of the Constitution, amnesty for illegal immigrants, outsourcing, and everything else that must be fixed....

Oh yeah and Charles Manson was anti-establishment too, I guess that means If I think he is insane I must love George Bush. I mean seriously that argument makes sense at all.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: laFiera
You rely on fox news to get conservative viewpoints?
I admire your courage! now you can go ahead and explain why murdoch is funding hillary's campaign...


Because the Republicans can beat her. They'll have a much harder time beating Obama.
 

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: Duddy
Paul's answer on economics was smarter and more articulate than all the answers of the other guys put together.

hellokeith, your a sheep and you need to wake up.

Nice lack of reading comprehension of my OP, and nice spelling/diction errors in your post.

Like I said, RP has some interesting points, but he's no where near Presidential material. Even the democrat analysts on Fox said RP was just too extreme.

Yes the deficit is troublesome, I don't think anyone would argue with that. Nevertheless, the US Govt has spent more money annually than it has taken in since day 1.. throughout Dem & Rep Presidents & Congresses. One of Fred's key messages is proposing changes that actually have a chance of becoming law, versus promising the sky and not delivering it.

did you seriously call someones spelling out then spell something wrong? BTW if you can't find it then whatever. Your OP was stated in a way that makes you sound like a sheep. Get some real views instead of spitting out foxnews.
 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I'm sorry.. but the more you call Paul kooky, the more you're calling the establishment correct.. And right now, the 'establishment' is Fox News, Hillary Clinton, the war in Iraq, the potential bombing of Iran, the government debt, the falling middle class, the rising ultra-rich, the falling of the dollar, giving up civil liberties for temporary safety, ignorance of the Constitution, amnesty for illegal immigrants, outsourcing, and everything else that must be fixed....

Oh yeah and Charles Manson was anti-establishment too, I guess that means If I think he is insane I must love George Bush. I mean seriously that argument makes sense at all.

Is that you Frank Luntz?
 

dualsmp

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Yeah that focus group was so incredibly staged it was ridiculous. They don't call it Faux News for nothing.
 

GML3G0

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They sound awfully articulate and calm for a group of "random" undecided voters on national television for - chances are - the first time.
 

AAjax

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who threaten corporate America are labeled insane. Nobody will vote for a mad person.

I would, but then I'm a clown. :D

Im a mushroom, thus I can drive people mad :p

Id vote for Ron no matter what name you call him by
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: GML3G0
They sound awfully articulate and calm for a group of "random" undecided voters on national television for - chances are - the first time.

Indeed, this guy is very "indecisive"

professional undecided voter??

and more...

Loves how Fox "undecides" are really pushing for Obama instead of Hillary, so transparent.

This undecided has decided to let Fox decide what candidate I vote for this year and that will be the person they try to derail the most.
 

Lemon law

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To some extent Fred Thompson is the ideal empty vessel. A man now without any record that can embody the hopes and dreams, past, present, and future, of the American conservative movement.

And running against Fred are six other competitors far more engaged in the immediate past and the present, either as Washington insiders or outsiders taking strong positions on national issues. People with records and all the warts and blemishes that go with those records. And worse yet, they must all run with the GWB monkey on their backs.

But it does not take much to see what the Thompson appeal is all about. Pull his string every
once and a while, and get a chatty Cathy republican platitude that shows Fred understands conservative and is above the partisan fray. Hey, people are gullible, they do want to roll the clock back to a time where our image was better, and the message just might win for Thompson.

Having said all that, does anyone think a dummy like Thompson is intellectually prepared or mentally interested enough to be an effective President?