Verge Interview with Gabe Newell about the Steam Box and more

blastingcap

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http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3852144/gabe-newell-interview-steam-box-future-of-gaming

Sample Questions:

"Do you envision a Steam Box connecting to other screens outside the living room?

The Steam Box will also be a server. Any PC can serve multiple monitors, so over time, the next-generation (post-Kepler) you can have one GPU that’s serving up eight simultaeneous game calls. So you could have one PC and eight televisions and eight controllers and everybody getting great performance out of it. We’re used to having one monitor, or two monitors — now we’re saying let's expand that a little bit.


Will this hardware push affect what Valve can do with games?

When we started off with Half-Life, it was like "I work on operating systems right?" [Editor's note: Gabe Newell spent over a decade at Microsoft building Windows before co-founding Valve.] There are a bunch of ideas, there’s a bunch of craft knowledge about how to make operating systems, and when I got into reading it I was like "how do we make decisions, how do we make trade-offs?" In a kind of desperation we said "we need to have a theory of fun," like what is fun? How do we decide that expanding three menus on this is better or worse? So we came up with this rule, which is the more ways in which the game responds to a player's state or player action is more fun. In Quake, you shot a wall and the wall basically ignored you. You saw a little puff, and then there’s no record of your actions. So we said using this simple rule, just one rule, if you shoot a wall it should change.


One of the things that started to drive me crazy in video games is that when I walk into a room, I’m covered with the gore and ichor of a thousand creatures that I have slayed, and the monster in there reacts to me exactly the same. So in Half-Life there’s this whole progression depending upon what you do and how scary you are [to enemies]. Eventually they start running away from you, they start talking about you, and that was just another example of having the world respond to you rather than the world kind of being autistic and ignoring everything you’ve done. So then we did Counter-Strike, [and found] the rule we used for Half-Life doesn’t work in a multiplayer game. We got all this weird data, like you put riot shields in and player numbers go up. Then you take riot shields out and player numbers go up. Fuck! It’s supposed to go the opposite [direction], right? So we had to come up with a different way.


Entertainment as a service was a guiding design principle for us in Counter-Strike. So now we’re in this strange world where we have people who are using the Steam workshop who are making $500,000 per year building items for other customers. In other words, there’s this notion that user-generated content has to be an important part of our thinking. We know of other game developers making more money building content for the workshop than what they get in their day job. One of the things we found is that this notion of a workshop needs to span multiple games. If we’re connecting Skyrimand other games... it’s like this notion that there’s just a game seems to be going away; games are starting to look like an instance of some larger experience.



We’re writing a platform, so you’ll hear us talk about "how do we make the pro players more valuable?" For us that's a real issue, we actually have to go off and solve engineering problems, because rather than just thinking of them as a pro player, we think of them as a user-generated content person with a particular kind of content that they’re generating. How do we help them reach an audience?
 
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power_hour

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Interesting interview. Finally somebody who "gets" PC gaming. Open system tied to a paid game delivery system that works. Brilliant and simple strategy. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo could have easily done this but they didn't. I wish him all the best.

Provided there are no hidden root kits, forced peer to peer connections or any other spyware, I will consider it.

Looking forward to this.
 

CU

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So in Half-Life there’s this whole progression depending upon what you do and how scary you are [to enemies]. Eventually they start running away from you, they start talking about you

I don't remember the enemies doing that. Does anyone else? By the end of the game they should run screaming for there lives from you in most fps because by then you have killed 100's if not 1000's of enemies all by yourself.
 

blastingcap

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I don't remember the enemies doing that. Does anyone else? By the end of the game they should run screaming for there lives from you in most fps because by then you have killed 100's if not 1000's of enemies all by yourself.

I remember at least one scene where vortigaunts did something like that
 

thm1223

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So wait I'm a little confused. Is the Steam Box a console, a low budget PC, or sort of a hybrid between them?
 

Lonyo

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They don't know.
They have a bunch of ideas and are throwing them out there, by the sounds of it.

They have hardware A and hardware B and system A and system B that everyone has made.
And they are cool, so they are going to make something that uses them all, and it will be super cool and work really well!

That's basically the gist of it.

For now, they are just going to make a PC, and slap Valve on it, and eventually when other people develop and commercialise the technology to make them work, they will try and make use of some other ideas too.

Oh, and Microsoft sucks.
And they are going to have awesome new controller ideas, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJwln8seKhs
(Oh wait, that's a Microsoft idea...)

Cool ideas like this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CddvvlP4UNM
(Oh wait, that's using Microsoft)
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/
Phew, not Microsoft!

Cool things like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4WFJ6PcavY
Oh Intel has done that and made use of that.

Cool ideas like moving your game between devices!
http://phandroid.com/2013/01/09/hands-on-nvidia-shield-android-gaming-handheld-video/
Oh, hi Nvidia.

Cool things like wearable computing!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/4/2925372/google-project-glass-augmented-reality
Oh, oops, google.


Basically they are going to see what looks cool that other people are doing, and see if they can develop it into some game related stuff.
And also they are going to try and get other developers on board to actually support this stuff. Only they didn't actually ever say that... oops... but who needs developers to make games which support all this cool stuff, right?

Oh, and the Steam box will be irrelevant, since most people will just buy whatever, because anything can be a "Steam box", but if you roll your own, you won't be as limited. And if you buy the "official" Steam box, you can make it useful by installing Windows anyway, so there's no real point in waiting or caring about it...
 

WaitingForNehalem

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Wow, he makes Steam sound like the center of the universe. I like how he credits Valve with the creation of Counter Strike when instead it was a user-made mod.
 

mizzou

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Wow, he makes Steam sound like the center of the universe. I like how he credits Valve with the creation of Counter Strike when instead it was a user-made mod.

i thought the user worked at valve? :/ what was his name.... like a gun or something

gooseman, and edit no he was employed after he made it lol
 
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LumbergTech

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Valve is gonna hit it big on this one. Haters gonna hate. That is my prediction. I am usually a pessimist when it comes to this kind of stuff, but they get it..they totally get it.
 

StrangerGuy

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This will fail.

X2. Really, in the age of convergence, they really think making another box that does the same thing that a PC does which everyone already have is going to work?

Wow, he makes Steam sound like the center of the universe. I like how he credits Valve with the creation of Counter Strike when instead it was a user-made mod.

I dunno, but the whole thing sounds like an ego driven "look at us making more money than you" trip.
 

power_hour

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So wait I'm a little confused. Is the Steam Box a console, a low budget PC, or sort of a hybrid between them?

Yes

After watching it again, I think Gabe is playing poker with the big boys. He might be bluffing or might go all in. This is definitely him stirring the pot looking to see who blinks next.

Then I started to think about his strategy a bit more and leads to more questions than answers. Does he really want to get into the hardware business where the profit margins suck? Does he really want that headache? Will it really add value and make more people use steam? Hard to say...

Still think he is playing poker right now.