Venting Online, Consumers Can Find Themselves in Court

moshquerade

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Should this be allowed to go to trial? How accountable should we be for the stuff we post online?

Venting Online, Consumers Can Find Themselves in Court

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Justin Kurtz with his car, which was towed from his apartment complex parking lot near Western Michigan University.

Published: May 31, 2010


After a towing company hauled Justin Kurtz’s car from his apartment complex parking lot, despite his permit to park there, Mr. Kurtz, 21, a college student in Kalamazoo, Mich., went to the Internet for revenge.
Outraged at having to pay $118 to get his car back, Mr. Kurtz created a Facebook page called “Kalamazoo Residents against T&J Towing.” Within two days, 800 people had joined the group, some posting comments about their own maddening experiences with the company.

T&J filed a defamation suit against Mr. Kurtz, claiming the site was hurting business and seeking $750,000 in damages.

Web sites like Facebook, Twitter and Yelp have given individuals a global platform on which to air their grievances with companies. But legal experts say the soaring popularity of such sites has also given rise to more cases like Mr. Kurtz’s, in which a business sues an individual for posting critical comments online.

The towing company’s lawyer said that it was justified in removing Mr. Kurtz’s car because the permit was not visible, and that the Facebook page was costing it business and had unfairly damaged its reputation.
Some First Amendment lawyers see the case differently. They consider the lawsuit an example of the latest incarnation of a decades-old legal maneuver known as a strategic lawsuit against public participation, or Slapp.

The label has traditionally referred to meritless defamation suits filed by businesses or government officials against citizens who speak out against them. The plaintiffs are not necessarily expecting to succeed — most do not — but rather to intimidate critics who are inclined to back down when faced with the prospect of a long, expensive court battle.

“I didn’t do anything wrong,” said Mr. Kurtz, who recently finished his junior year at Western Michigan University. “The only thing I posted is what happened to me.”

Many states have anti-Slapp laws, and Congress is considering legislation to make it harder to file such a suit. The bill, sponsored by Representatives Steve Cohen of Tennessee and Charlie Gonzalez of Texas, both Democrats, would create a federal anti-Slapp law, modeled largely on California’s statute.

Because state laws vary in scope, many suits are still filed every year, according to legal experts. Now, with people musing publicly online and businesses feeling defenseless against these critics, the debate over the suits is shifting to the Web.

“We are beyond the low-tech era of people getting Slapped because of letters they wrote to politicians or testimony they gave at a City Council meeting,” said George W. Pring, a University of Denver law professor who co-wrote the 1996 book “Slapps: Getting Sued For Speaking Out.”

Marc Randazza, a First Amendment lawyer who has defended clients against suits stemming from online comments, said he helped one client, Thomas Alascio, avoid a lawsuit last year after he posted negative remarks about a Florida car dealership on his Twitter account.

“There is not a worse dealership on the planet,” read one post, which also named the dealership.

The dealership threatened to sue Mr. Alascio if he did not remove the posts. Mr. Randazza responded in a letter that although Mr. Alascio admitted that the dealership might not be the worst in the world, his comments constituted protected speech because they were his opinion.
While the dealership did not sue, that outcome is unusual, said Mr. Randazza, who conceded that sometimes the most pragmatic approach for a Slapp defendant is to take back the offending comments in lieu of a lawsuit.

In the past, Mr. Randazza said, if you criticized a business while standing around in a bar, it went “no further than the sound of your voice.”

Now, however, “there’s a potentially permanent record of it as soon as you hit ‘publish’ on the computer,” he said. “It goes global within minutes.”
Laurence Wilson, general counsel for the user review site Yelp, said a handful of lawsuits in recent years had been filed against people who posted critical reviews on the site, including a San Francisco chiropractor who sued a former patient in 2008 over a negative review about a billing dispute. The suit was settled before going to court.

“Businesses, unfortunately, have a greater incentive to remove a negative review than the reviewer has in writing the review in the first place,” Mr. Wilson said.

Recognizing that lawsuits can bring more unwanted attention, one organization has taken a different tack. The group Medical Justice, which helps protect doctors from meritless malpractice suits, advises its members to have patients sign an agreement that gives doctors more control over what patients post online.

Dr. Jeffrey Segal, chief executive of Medical Justice, said about half of the group’s 2,500 members use the agreement.

“I, like everyone else, like to hear two sides of the story,” he said. “The problem is that physicians are foreclosed from ever responding because of state and federal privacy laws. In the rare circumstance that a posting is false, fictional or fraudulent, the doctor now has the tool to get that post taken down.”

The federal bill, in the House Subcommittee on Courts and Competition Policy, would enable a defendant who believes he is being sued for speaking out or petitioning on a public matter to seek to have the suit dismissed.

“Just as petition and free speech rights are so important that they require specific constitutional protections, they are also important enough to justify uniform national protections against Slapps,” said Mark Goldowitz, director of the California Anti-Slapp Project, which helped draft the bill.
Under the proposed federal law, if a case is dismissed for being a Slapp, the plaintiff would have to pay the defendant’s legal fees. Mr. Randazza would not disclose specifics on the legal fees he has charged his clients, but he said the cost of defending a single Slapp suit “could easily wipe out the average person’s savings before the case is half done.”

Currently, 27 states have anti-Slapp laws, and in two, Colorado and West Virginia, the judiciary has adopted a system to protect against such suits. But the federal bill would create a law in states that do not have one and offer additional protections in those that do, Mr. Goldowitz said.

In Michigan, which does not have an anti-Slapp measure, Mr. Kurtz’s legal battle has made him a local celebrity. His Facebook page has now grown to more than 12,000 members.

“This case raises interesting questions,” said the towing company’s lawyer, Richard Burnham. “What are the rights to free speech? And even if what he said is false, which I am convinced, is his conduct the proximate cause of our loss?”

On April 30, Mr. Kurtz and his lawyers asked a judge to dismiss the suit by T&J, which has received a failing grade from the local Better Business Bureau for complaints over towing legally parked cars. Mr. Kurtz is also countersuing, claiming that T&J is abusing the legal process.

“There’s no reason I should have to shut up because some guy doesn’t want his dirty laundry out,” Mr. Kurtz said. “It’s the power of the Internet, man.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/us/01slapp.html?pagewanted=2&ref=us
 

Wyndru

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That is stupid, it goes against the concept of any customer feedback, good or bad. Do we get compensated when we post good things about a company and their business increases?
 

rcpratt

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Absolutely ridiculous. This has happened for centuries...word-of-mouth is either a company's best friend or worst enemy. Doing a good job with customer service and making it their friend is their problem.
 

Eli

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Wow, this is quite disturbing. I hope the dude wins. The internet should be a bastion of free speech, though I can understand why the line is quite blurry now that the internet is in practically everyone's homes. It still doesn't matter, though. If they don't want to garner negative reviews, stop pissing people off.

If the towing company were to win, it would set a very dangerous precedence. I have a strong feeling the judge will tell the towing company to take a hike, though. And pay for Kurtz's legal fees.
 

spidey07

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Wow, this is quite disturbing. I hope the dude wins. The internet should be a bastion of free speech, though I can understand why the line is quite blurry now that the internet is in practically everyone's homes. It still doesn't matter, though. If they don't want to garner negative reviews, stop pissing people off.

If the towing company were to win, it would set a very dangerous precedence. I have a strong feeling the judge will tell the towing company to take a hike, though. And pay for Kurtz's legal fees.

You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.
 

her209

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You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.
What!? LOL...
 

jlee

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You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.

Your post is damaging my brain. Can I sue you?
 

wheresmybacon

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No judge will let this go to trial. And how did they arrive at $750,000 in damages?

No surprise it's a towing company.
 

Meghan54

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You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.


So, what you're saying is that no one has the right to voice his or her opinion about poor quality service from a company or deceptive business practices of a company or anything negative that one has been subjected to during an experience with any sort of business?

And I guess telling the truth about a negative experience is defaming?

Riiiiiiight.
 

jlee

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So, what you're saying is that no one has the right to voice his or her opinion about poor quality service from a company or deceptive business practices of a company or anything negative that one has been subjected to during an experience with any sort of business?


Riiiiiiight.

Shall we expect spidey to arrange a massive lawsuit against all reviewers of everything?

Bad movie review? Sue. Bad restaurant review? Sue. One egg at Newegg? Sue.
 

Raduque

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You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.

What? So telling the world that some company illegally towed your car and is extorting you to get it back is "defaming" it?

You work for T&J Towing, don't you?
 

spidey07

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So, what you're saying is that no one has the right to voice his or her opinion about poor quality service from a company or deceptive business practices of a company or anything negative that one has been subjected to during an experience with any sort of business?

And I guess telling the truth about a negative experience is defaming?

Riiiiiiight.

No. What I'm saying is if they can prove defamation and harm then they have a case. IANAL, but the defamation has to have some non-truth to it. He claims he didn't do anything wrong, he's a snot-nosed college kid so I therefore don't believe him. He obviously did do something wrong or his car would not have gotten towed and now he's butt-hurt over 116 bucks and wants to "use the power of the internet, man!"

Well punk, actions have consequences, let's hope your stupidity learns a valuable lesson. Man.
 

jlee

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No. What I'm saying is if they can prove defamation and harm then they have a case. IANAL, but the defamation has to have some non-truth to it. He claims he didn't do anything wrong, he's a snot-nosed college kid so I therefore don't believe him. He obviously did do something wrong or his car would not have gotten towed and now he's butt-hurt over 116 bucks and wants to "use the power of the internet, man!"

Well punk, actions have consequences, let's hope your stupidity learns a valuable lesson. Man.

Because obviously towing companies are perfect and always fair in their business practices!
 

spidey07

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Because obviously towing companies are perfect and always fair in their business practices!

No, because all college kids are fucking stupid and always think they didn't do anything wrong and whine on the intarweb about how unfair everything is.
 

Paratus

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You don't have free speech if you active defame somebody or a company. You are damaging them and as such they can sue you and frankly the company should win. The company says it is hurting business so they have proof of harm/defamation.

I have to agree with Spidey. Where would our great corporate citizens be if any 'individual' could relate poor service, or fradulent behaviour to other 'individuals' and hurt this poor citizens profits.

I mean what did this towing company really do besides find an innovative revenue stream?



(Can I be a bigger corporate REDACTED than Spidey now? ;) )

(Upon the advice of legal counsel I have with drawn the previous statement :( )
 
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jlee

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No, because all college kids are fucking stupid and always think they didn't do anything wrong and whine on the intarweb about how unfair everything is.

What did he post that was untrue?

I'm pretty sure I deal with more college kids than you do, and I'd have to put their intelligence, as a whole, significantly higher than a/some person(s) in this thread.
 

spidey07

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I have to agree with Spidey. Where would our great corporate citizens be if any 'individual' could relate poor service, or fradulent behaviour to other 'individuals' and hurt this poor citizens profits.

I mean what did this towing company really do besides find an innovative revenue stream?



(Can I be a bigger corporate whore than Spidey now? ;) )

If I defame or libel you personally, do you not have legal recourse to damages or at the very least a cease and desist order?