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Venice core - worth the wait?

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imported_billjdo

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Do you guys think that waiting for a 3500 or 3800 90nm venice core cpu is worth the wait in regards to performance? Not planning on doing too much overclocking.

Zipzoomfly has 3 different cores for the 939 mb's on a AMD 64 3500+ - winchester, newcastle and clawhammer. What is the main difference between those 3. Anyone have a good link to explain this?

TIA
 
Even if you don't OC, it still allows using more that 2 sticks of RAM at 1T. IMO that's enough reason to wait.
 
Newcastle is 130nm while the Winchester is 90nm. The Winchester is a better overclocker and runs cooler. But it does not give that big of a performance increase over the Newcastle. Winchestor is 90nm.

Clawhammer has more cache than both the Winchester and Newcastle. It is the original Athlon 64 so it is 754 pin and will not fit on the newer 939 motherboards. They are very good for overclocking. But it is 130nm.

Out of the three, I'd recommend the Winchester.

But yes, wait for the Venice. I want to see reviews before I make up my mind for sure though. The jury is still out on the dual core. The Venice will be better than the Winchester but the question is by how much. We know it will have a enhanced memory controller and SSE3. It's likely that the Venice will have more features and new technologies than the Winchester and Newcastle, but performance-wise, it won't be much faster. Assuming they're both clocked the same. But the overclocking potential for the Venice is much higher than the Winchester. So I suggest waiting.
 
well, the winchester is the best of the three you said... but clearly venice is going to be better, i think they have SSE3 support which should benefit it somewhat in certain apps, and are apparantly good for about 300mhz extra overclocking headroom. At stock speeds (or moderate overclocking) i wouldnt expect more than a 1-2% difference between winchester and venice because of a64 short pipeline and strong fpu so sse3 in theory little effect
 
Thanks for all the advice guys.

Looks like I'll just suck it up and wait for the Venice. Then, if the overclock bug strikes me again I'll have more options. Not sure what and when will support the SSE3 coding. Seems like more of a parity move by AMD rather than true functionality.

Thanks
 
Monarch will have them on Apr. 22nd. That's an entire 4 days (hardly a wait at all)! The retail chips won't be available until May 6 though.
 
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