Venice 3800+ vs. Newcastle 3800+

[jenneth]

Hi all,

My system crashed not too long ago, so now I'll need to get a new system. Originally, I was going to get the new Venice 3800+ when it come out next week, however, there's a good chance that it'll cost significantly more than the Newcastle 3800+ (which sells for about $380 now). My question is, how much improvement is the Venice over Newcstle?

jenneth

 

[Sentential]

Frankly it all depends on what you plan to be using your PC for. If you are overclocking get venice, if not look for the cheapest option. Here are a list of the things added to venice:

partial SSE3 support
Upgraded memory controller (for high density/high ## of RAM)
SSDOI (~20% nominal gain in transister speed, ie clock speed)

 

[jenneth]

Thanx for the reply.

Well, this is my gaming system. I'm not planning on OC this rig, but I'm thinking about going w/ 2x1024MB memory.

jenneth

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: jenneth
Thanx for the reply.

Well, this is my gaming system. I'm not planning on OC this rig, but I'm thinking about going w/ 2x1024MB memory.

jenneth

That kind of RAM is very high density. For that reason I would reccomend Venice. However have you thought about Intel at all? AMD only plans to keep DDR1 / S939 around for maybe another 7 months.

I would hate to see you spend almost $500 on DDR1 ram only to have it go to wase in less than a year. Atleast if you got an Intel you could permentaly knock out your DDR2 requirement. DDR2 will last for many many years to come.

In addition Intel chipsets are far more stable and less problematic. I gather you want such a box correct?

 

[vedin]

Um..bunk. About 6 years ago AMD was less stable, they are equal now for all purposes. Where did you hear S939 was getting cancelled? I search websites all the time and have heard no such thing. DDR2 isn't that much of an improvement, and AMD has said so, so that shouldn't be an issue considering that ram manufacurers will keep making it for at least two years.

Now to your main comment that was purely technical and not giberish. Yes, that RAM would be high density. Perhaps if the guy was getting a 4 year old motherboard he'd have something to worry about. AMD motherboards have supported 1 gig memory sticks since the very first Athlons.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: jenneth
Thanx for the reply.

Well, this is my gaming system. I'm not planning on OC this rig, but I'm thinking about going w/ 2x1024MB memory.

jenneth

In addition Intel chipsets are far more stable and less problematic. I gather you want such a box correct?

I'm sure you have some kind of proof of such a statement, right?

I'd also love to know where in AMD roadmap theres a move to DDR2.

 

[jenneth]

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

 

[Promit]

IIRC DDR2 sports high bandwidth, but pretty shoddy latency, which is why AMD is pushing DDR3 instead. The latency presumably does not go well with the HT bus.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: jenneth
Thanx for the reply.

Well, this is my gaming system. I'm not planning on OC this rig, but I'm thinking about going w/ 2x1024MB memory.

jenneth

In addition Intel chipsets are far more stable and less problematic. I gather you want such a box correct?

I'm sure you have some kind of proof of such a statement, right?

I'd also love to know where in AMD roadmap theres a move to DDR2.

Originally posted by: vedin
Um..bunk. About 6 years ago AMD was less stable, they are equal now for all purposes. Where did you hear S939 was getting cancelled?

Originally posted by: jenneth
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

Have you actually owned both? I think not. Im the only one here who has physically had both a S939 system and an LGA775 system. The LGA is far more stable than my S939 could ever dream of being.

Also that is true that they support more than 1GB of ram but that is only at DDR333. He honestally needs venice if he plans to overclock. That kinda density is a hellova lot of stress on a CPU.
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c627627 updated his database based on a thread at OCF. Several members got ahold of AMD spec sheets which had:

Release dates for E3 and E4
Cancelation of S754
Introduction of S1207 with cores: Orleans, Windsor and others

_____

Also AMD isnt going DDR3. They are going DDR2 then later 3. DDR3 is far too expensive for the average schmo..much less an AMD user.

S939's time in this world is very limited especially when AMD has officially announced the discontinuation of S754 in June. I wouldnt go for it if you can help it. AMD has the new DDR2 cores slated for Q1 06

 

[509th]

Actually there was a thread in this forum last night with roadmaps which stated AMD would be moving to socket M and DDR2 by the end of this year......I'll try to find the thread....

Here it is...........

AMD Roadmap Update

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: 509th
Actually there was a thread in this forum last night with roadmaps which stated AMD would be moving to socket M and DDR2 by the end of this year......I'll try to find the thread....

There have been quite a few on several forums. Frankly im suprised hardly anyone here knows about this. :Q

 

[509th]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: 509th
Actually there was a thread in this forum last night with roadmaps which stated AMD would be moving to socket M and DDR2 by the end of this year......I'll try to find the thread....

There have been quite a few on several forums. Frankly im suprised hardly anyone here knows about this. :Q

Who knows what to believe on all the forums though..............for example, there's a thread on a forum right now that is saying that the Venice core chips will be available at some online shops Friday........no link, the guy says he works for one though..........

True?? Could be, but I doubt it..........

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: 509th

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: 509th
Actually there was a thread in this forum last night with roadmaps which stated AMD would be moving to socket M and DDR2 by the end of this year......I'll try to find the thread....

There have been quite a few on several forums. Frankly im suprised hardly anyone here knows about this. :Q

Who knows what to believe on all the forums though..............for example, there's a thread on a forum right now that is saying that the Venice core chips will be available at some online shops Friday........no link, the guy says he works for one though..........

True?? Could be, but I doubt it..........

Well the official AMD specs say aprox April 4th and 16th (venice / Sandy). So if thats a week from now he's right.

 

[509th]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: 509th

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: 509th
Actually there was a thread in this forum last night with roadmaps which stated AMD would be moving to socket M and DDR2 by the end of this year......I'll try to find the thread....

There have been quite a few on several forums. Frankly im suprised hardly anyone here knows about this. :Q

Who knows what to believe on all the forums though..............for example, there's a thread on a forum right now that is saying that the Venice core chips will be available at some online shops Friday........no link, the guy says he works for one though..........

True?? Could be, but I doubt it..........

Well the official AMD specs say aprox April 4th and 16th (venice / Sandy). So if thats a week from now he's right.

4th would be Monday of next week......he's saying they will be available online THIS Friday......

 

[jenneth]

So if I want to go with 2x1024MB then it'd better for me to wait for the Venice then?

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: Sentential
Have you actually owned both? I think not. Im the only one here who has physically had both a S939 system and an LGA775 system. The LGA is far more stable than my S939 could ever dream of being.

Also that is true that they support more than 1GB of ram but that is only at DDR333. He honestally needs venice if he plans to overclock. That kinda density is a hellova lot of stress on a CPU.
____________

c627627 updated his database based on a thread at OCF. Several members got ahold of AMD spec sheets which had:

Release dates for E3 and E4
Cancelation of S754
Introduction of S1207 with cores: Orleans, Windsor and others

_____

Also AMD isnt going DDR3. They are going DDR2 then later 3. DDR3 is far too expensive for the average schmo..much less an AMD user.

S939's time in this world is very limited especially when AMD has officially announced the discontinuation of S754 in June. I wouldnt go for it if you can help it. AMD has the new DDR2 cores slated for Q1 06

If the system is unstable, its because of a bad mobo or bad user, not because of the chipset. I have had two AMD systems, both are completely stable at stock speeds. Also, if he did get DDRII, he'd probably end up buying new mem on his next build anyways, by that time ram will run much faster than it currently does, and current DDRII will be outdated.

I have never seen that more than 1gb ram must be run at DDR333, thats only for 4 DIMMS.

Also, current LGA775 mobos are much less future proof than S939. They won't support the new dual core CPU's, so essentially there will be no new CPUs released for them after dual core comes out (in a few months). S939, will last for at least a year, if not more. AMD will at least keep it as a budget platform throughout the end of next year.

DDRII is much to expensive to the average user .... and you get no performance improvement. DDRIII is obviously expensive now, but if they can get the process right, it will be much cheaper by the time AMD supports it.

So, to sum up .., You're suggesting he get a slightly slower and more expensive system so that his ram can be reused, even tough it'll be obsolete by the time he wants to reuse it.

Brilliant.

 

[imported_macshark]

If you are planning on overclocking, wait for the Venice. Looks like it can be easily overclocked to 2.8GHz with minimal effort.
At that speed, it is faster than a FX-55 on most applications.

 

[smc13]

"That kind of RAM is very high density. For that reason I would reccomend Venice. However have you thought about Intel at all? AMD only plans to keep DDR1 / S939 around for maybe another 7 months."

The above doesn't make sense to me. If he buys now, why would he worry about upgrading in 7 months? He could still use the memory for years.