venice 3200 or 3000....

[nguyen1025]

I'm buildign a budget gaming pc, and im wodnering what i should go with, a 3000 or 3200? IS there asignificant performance difference?

 

[n7]

Not terribly.

If you don't plan on OCing, i'd go for the 3200+ though.

If you do plan on OCing, then i'd recommend the 3000+ as long as you can find evidence that the mobo you will be using can hit very high HTT speeds with no issues, or if you don't plan on OCing very much.

IOW, if you do your homework, you can likely get the 3000+

To be safe though, i am still gonna recommend the 3200+, as OCing to higher levels will likely be much easier.

 

[bjc112]

To be safe though, i am still gonna recommend the 3200+, as OCing to higher levels will likely be much easier.

And when he means higher levels, he is meaning 2.7ghz+

HTT of about 300. So if you just plan doing some moderate overclocking, or something you feel confortable with .. say 2.4ghz, the 3000+ is a nice choice.

The 10x multiplier is nice, but it seems (at least to me ) more 3000+ have higher overclocks and than 3200+


N7 is pretty much right on though.

 

[n7]

You know bjc112, it seems you are right...

I never really noticed it before, but it does seem the 3000+ OCs better than the 3200+, weirdly enough, & usually it's the mobo's HTT holding it back.

It's likely weird coincidence...

 

[interchange]

Currently, my chaintech NF4 Ultra w/ venice 300+ is sitting at 2.79GHz (9 x 310) @ 1.58V w/ stock cooling....

It is running a little hot (45C) whereas it I ran it overnight at 2.4Ghz and it never topped 35C.

Exceptional CPU! Can't go wrong either way!

 

[Serpentor]

 

[Serpentor]

I'd second the 3000 recommendation. I've had mine Prime torturing at 2750 on 1.55v for over 24 hours. I'm not sure which program to use to test the internal temps (any suggestions?) but the hand-feeling-the-out-take-air-flow-fans test confirms that the temps are still "warm", not "hot" lol. This is at 9x305, but with a 1:2 mem divider as my system won't post at 2:3 (187mhz), I believe due to power supply or memory controller issues..

Edit: Sorry for the double post, javasript is difficult over telnet/PuTTY

 

[sangyup81]

Originally posted by: Serpentor
I'd second the 3000 recommendation. I've had mine Prime torturing at 2750 on 1.55v for over 24 hours. I'm not sure which program to use to test the internal temps (any suggestions?) but the hand-feeling-the-out-take-air-flow-fans test confirms that the temps are still "warm", not "hot" lol. This is at 9x305, but with a 1:2 mem divider as my system won't post at 2:3 (187mhz), I believe due to power supply or memory controller issues..

Edit: Sorry for the double post, javasript is difficult over telnet/PuTTY

If you upgrade your Power Supply, I bet you will get even higher overclocks and better stability when you combine your CPU speed HTT and memory

 

[Serpentor]

Originally posted by: sangyup81

Originally posted by: Serpentor
If you upgrade your Power Supply, I bet you will get even higher overclocks and better stability when you combine your CPU speed HTT and memory

That's the plan, I'm going to first try it on the generic 420W on my brother's X-Dreamer II case, if it lets it go 300x9x3:2 fine then I'll start shopping for a high-end PS. Any recs on the temp reading software? Does Sandra show all the temps your BIOS does? I'm looking for a tool which will show me the power levels across my 3 lines and internal temps.

 

[Sentential]

I personally would go for the 3200+. I have heard bad things about how these newer 3000+ are clocking. Nothing worse than the bottom of the barrel.

 

[apapia]

As a 3200+ Venice owner, I'd recommend the 3000+ if you plan on overclocking. I was convinced that the 10x multiplier would be *so* handy when overclocking but in reality, it is pretty useless because my DFI Ultra-D has no problem delivering 340 FSB and my 3200+ tops out around 2.6-2.75GHz (still priming!). Save yourself $50 and get an XP120 dude.

 

[apapia]

Oops double post!

 

[mindgam3]

It all depends on the motherboard you are going to get, if your getting asus k8 chipset go with the 10x multiplier... (3200) , otherwise get the 3000+.

 

[cheesehead]

I'm looking at the Chaintech NF4-ultra board. (VNF4?) I intend to overclock to about 2.4ghz, and intend to buy a 3000+. Which model (Venice or Winchester) should I buy, which RAM (I was looking at the Patriot DDR500) and what heatsink? (SLK-948U or XP-120?)

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
I'm looking at the Chaintech NF4-ultra board. (VNF4?) I intend to overclock to about 2.4ghz, and intend to buy a 3000+. Which model (Venice or Winchester) should I buy, which RAM (I was looking at the Patriot DDR500) and what heatsink? (SLK-948U or XP-120?)

Venice = Bux fixes + SSE3. No question about that.

As for the heatsink you need to make sure the XP120 fits your board. The other option is the XP90C

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: Sentential
I personally would go for the 3200+. I have heard bad things about how these newer 3000+ are clocking. Nothing worse than the bottom of the barrel.

The 10x multi comes in handy sometimes too.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew

Originally posted by: Sentential
I personally would go for the 3200+. I have heard bad things about how these newer 3000+ are clocking. Nothing worse than the bottom of the barrel.

The 10x multi comes in handy sometimes too.

Yea, mostly I dont like how people I know arent getting even 2.4ghz on some of the lastest 3000+s

 

[Serpentor]

Originally posted by: Sentential
Yea, mostly I dont like how people I know arent getting even 2.4ghz on some of the lastest 3000+s

Mine is 2 weeks old from newegg, primes 2750 fine, maybe they
had a few bad batches where AMD got better at prunning out the better waffers.

 

[interchange]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: KoolDrew

Originally posted by: Sentential
I personally would go for the 3200+. I have heard bad things about how these newer 3000+ are clocking. Nothing worse than the bottom of the barrel.

The 10x multi comes in handy sometimes too.

Yea, mostly I dont like how people I know arent getting even 2.4ghz on some of the lastest 3000+s

I just got mine from newegg and it hits stellar speeds (see earlier post) out of the box.

I see no reason to spend the extra money for the 10x multiplier.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Serpentor

Originally posted by: Sentential
Yea, mostly I dont like how people I know arent getting even 2.4ghz on some of the lastest 3000+s

Mine is 2 weeks old from newegg, primes 2750 fine, maybe they
had a few bad batches where AMD got better at prunning out the better waffers.

I stand corrected then Glad the ones coming from egg are clocking nice. Since thats the case, why not. Go with the cheaper 3000+

 

[nguyen1025]

you guys say a comfortable oc for a 3000+ venice is 2.4 ghz, the stock speed being 1.8 ghz, so 600 mhz is a SAFE oc correct?

 

[Icopoli]

uh, venice can get to 2.8 on air easy.

 

[XNice]

I have a 3000+ venice and a DFI NF3 S939. Would i get better performace at 220x9 w/ 1:1 ratio or 280x9 w/ a ratio that makes my cpu fsb higher than my ram? Doesnt the cpu still have to wait till the memory is done?

 

[The Pentium Guy]

280x9.