Vegan Parents Guilty Of Starving Son

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xochi

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I vote for the parents being really dense and the media sensationalizing the fact that they are vegans to make the story more popular.

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i agree, my first born could not take milk based formula and we gave her this popular soy based one. Prosobee

She weighed no less than our other two children. My guess is the parents were giving their child soy milk they used in their diet and it was completly inappropriate for the infant.
 

Aquaman

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WTF Soy milk & Juice :| 6 week old should have the bewbie juice!!!!!! :|

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

everman

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Originally posted by: markgm
A test isn't a bad idea. I think the first question should be "What do you plan on naming your child?"

All they really had to do was shine a flashlight in one ear, and the light coming out the other side would give a clear verdict.
 

idiotekniQues

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Tiamat
parents should have to pass parenting courses or something. This is rediculous.

Or just ban wacko liberals from breeding. Oh and just to be fair, religous zealots should be banned too.

:roll:

Or we could just say "ban people from breeding who obviously don't know how to raise their kids." The kid starved to death, he wasn't liberaled to death.

:roll: what caused the kid to be starved to death, their liberal beliefs.

KK definitely makes the short list of dumbest ****** i have seen people say this decade
 

ryan256

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Wow. I've heard of vegans torturing their cats/dogs by forcing their diet upon their pets. But their own child?? This is too much. The worst part is these morons fail to see where they did anything wrong.
 

ryan256

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Originally posted by: zylander
So lets say that these people really thought that nothing was wrong and are just that stupid, wouldnt that just fall under neglect and come up as involuntary manslaughter instead of murder? Im not defending them or anything.

I have to agree. I think malicious murder is a little harsh here. They must have had a damn good prosecutor. Involuntary manslaughter sounds like a more appropriate charge.
 

Vic

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Vegan has nothing to do with this. That's a sensationalistic red herring by the news media. The facts are that these people deliberately underfed their newborn child, causing it to lose half his body weight within 6 weeks of birth, and they did nothing about that. They didn't take the baby to a doctor, they didn't consider changing the diet/feeding him more food. That represents deliberate intent, and that what makes this felony murder. Hopefully, they won't be allowed to practice their veganism in prison.
 
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The whole Vegan thing is crap. We all now any animal would eat us in a heart beat if it could catch us and cook us.

The woman ( I won't call her a mom since she isn't one) probably didn't breast feed, because she is an animal and the milk would have come from an animal.

People like this need to understand that it's fine to have beliefs but when those beliefs cause pain and suffering to innocent children, it's time for the beliefs to go out the door. I don't care what you believe in or what God you worship, but a child is more important than any of those beliefs.
 

Ryan

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Morons - it even says on the side of the box of my Silk soymilk "not to be used as an infant formula".
 

yowolabi

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There's no way you can watch your child get smaller after birth and not know that something's wrong. I can see why the jury believed this is malicous. They had a hard time believing anyone could be so stupid.
 

preCRT

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Nope, these idiots were guilty of stupidity & willful abuse & neglect of that baby from day one & probably prior to its birth [bet she got no prenatal care either]:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/...a/stories/2007/05/02/0503metvegan.html

Murder verdict for vegan parents

By BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/03/07

A vegan couple committed murder when they didn't make sure their newborn received proper nutrition, a Fulton jury decided Wednesday.

The courtroom was so quiet after the judge read the verdict ? the first of its kind in Georgia ? that the clank of the handcuffs being fastened around the parents' wrists echoed through the room.

The father, Lamont Thomas, 31, then called out "We're going to jail for no reason" as his girlfriend, Jade Sanders, 27, stared ahead, visibly stunned.

Thomas told visiting Senior Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell that he and Sanders were proud of their first child, naming him Crown. "We didn't starve our son for weeks and weeks," the dad said before deputies led him out of the courtroom.

The verdicts mean the couple will receive automatic life sentences. The judge might tack on more prison time at a sentencing hearing next week...

...The infant was born in the bathtub of a Buckhead apartment but never taken to a doctor while alive. He was dead when his parents took him to Piedmont Hospital, across the street from their apartment, April 25, 2004. At six weeks old he weighed just 3 1/2 pounds and was so emaciated, doctors could count his bones through his skin.

Fulton prosecutor Chuck Boring said the verdict isn't a condemnation of veganism, a strict form of vegetarianism that doesn't allow the consumption or use of animal products. Instead, jurors believed prosecutors' assertions that the couple intentionally neglected and underfed the child and then tried to use the lifestyle as a shield.

n similar cases, a New York jury convicted a vegan couple on murder charges in the death of their child, but a Florida jury was more lenient, acquitting vegan parents of murder and instead convicting them on reduced charges of involuntary manslaughter, an unintentional death. In that case, the couple had successfully raised two children as vegans, but their third child died.

"The vegan diet is fine," Boring said after the verdict in the Georgia case. "These parents lied about what they fed him. He just was not fed enough."

The mother initially told police she fed her baby organic apple juice and soy milk. But the soy milk containers in her apartment clearly state that soy milk is not to be used as a substitute for baby formula, her lawyer admitted. At trial, the mom said she also fed her son breast milk and soy milk formula.

Outside the courtroom, Lewis, the defense attorney, said he believes the parents unintentionally starved their child by feeding him apple juice that may have acted as a diuretic and blocked the absorption of nutrients from the soy milk, soy formula and breast milk. They never took Crown to a doctor because they feared hospitals were infested with germs, he said...


They need to be fried for stupidity beyond redemption
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: gwrober
Originally posted by: j00fek
i would starve those bastards as a sentance

Or leave them in a cell with nothing but animal products....

Remove their eyelids, then forcibly restrain them in a slaughterhouse. And feed them only water and the raw meat scraps on the floor.
 
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Originally posted by: preCRT
Nope, these idiots were guilty of stupidity & willful abuse & neglect of that baby from day one & probably prior to its birth [bet she got no prenatal care either]:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/...a/stories/2007/05/02/0503metvegan.html

Murder verdict for vegan parents

By BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/03/07

A vegan couple committed murder when they didn't make sure their newborn received proper nutrition, a Fulton jury decided Wednesday.

The courtroom was so quiet after the judge read the verdict ? the first of its kind in Georgia ? that the clank of the handcuffs being fastened around the parents' wrists echoed through the room.

The father, Lamont Thomas, 31, then called out "We're going to jail for no reason" as his girlfriend, Jade Sanders, 27, stared ahead, visibly stunned.

Thomas told visiting Senior Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell that he and Sanders were proud of their first child, naming him Crown. "We didn't starve our son for weeks and weeks," the dad said before deputies led him out of the courtroom.

The verdicts mean the couple will receive automatic life sentences. The judge might tack on more prison time at a sentencing hearing next week...

...The infant was born in the bathtub of a Buckhead apartment but never taken to a doctor while alive. He was dead when his parents took him to Piedmont Hospital, across the street from their apartment, April 25, 2004. At six weeks old he weighed just 3 1/2 pounds and was so emaciated, doctors could count his bones through his skin.

Fulton prosecutor Chuck Boring said the verdict isn't a condemnation of veganism, a strict form of vegetarianism that doesn't allow the consumption or use of animal products. Instead, jurors believed prosecutors' assertions that the couple intentionally neglected and underfed the child and then tried to use the lifestyle as a shield.

n similar cases, a New York jury convicted a vegan couple on murder charges in the death of their child, but a Florida jury was more lenient, acquitting vegan parents of murder and instead convicting them on reduced charges of involuntary manslaughter, an unintentional death. In that case, the couple had successfully raised two children as vegans, but their third child died.

"The vegan diet is fine," Boring said after the verdict in the Georgia case. "These parents lied about what they fed him. He just was not fed enough."

The mother initially told police she fed her baby organic apple juice and soy milk. But the soy milk containers in her apartment clearly state that soy milk is not to be used as a substitute for baby formula, her lawyer admitted. At trial, the mom said she also fed her son breast milk and soy milk formula.

Outside the courtroom, Lewis, the defense attorney, said he believes the parents unintentionally starved their child by feeding him apple juice that may have acted as a diuretic and blocked the absorption of nutrients from the soy milk, soy formula and breast milk. They never took Crown to a doctor because they feared hospitals were infested with germs, he said...


They need to be fried for stupidity beyond redemption

That is just sickening. They took him to the hospital across the street AFTER he was dead. "Hey, I think our baby is broke, can you fix it?" :|
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Or we could just say "ban people from breeding who obviously don't know how to raise their kids." The kid starved to death, he wasn't liberaled to death.

It sounds like the baby's parent's ultra-wacky beliefs had something to do with his death.

They were simply retarded. Honestly. They were just beyond stupid..they were in the next realm below that.

 

idiotekniQues

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The whole Vegan thing is crap. We all now any animal would eat us in a heart beat if it could catch us and cook us.

The woman ( I won't call her a mom since she isn't one) probably didn't breast feed, because she is an animal and the milk would have come from an animal.

People like this need to understand that it's fine to have beliefs but when those beliefs cause pain and suffering to innocent children, it's time for the beliefs to go out the door. I don't care what you believe in or what God you worship, but a child is more important than any of those beliefs.

vegans arent against breast milk. in fact many vegan websites say the first best meal for a vegan raised baby IS breast milk.

maybe you just need an excuse to hate on vegans and are using these people's own personal idiocy as an excuse.

but i think it is a bit exploitative to use this tragedy to espouse your anti-vegan ideas. in the end, you just look ignorant.
 

Praxis1452

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Veganism has almost nothing to do with the kid being dead.

let's list the misconceptions.

1. breastmilk was being given to the child. Vegan diets may not produce much breastmilk anyway.
2. Veganism didn't kill the child.
3. The child was not being fed enough. (veganism doesn't say how much you can eat).
4. anybody who brings politics into this is absolutely a ****** idiot.
 

johnjohn320

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Tiamat
parents should have to pass parenting courses or something. This is rediculous.

Or just ban wacko liberals from breeding. Oh and just to be fair, religous zealots should be banned too.

:roll:

Or we could just say "ban people from breeding who obviously don't know how to raise their kids." The kid starved to death, he wasn't liberaled to death.

:roll: what caused the kid to be starved to death, their liberal beliefs.


Are you fscking stupid? Read the article again. THEY STARVED HIM TO DEATH. Believe it or not, liberals and yes, even (sane) vegans believe in eating. The whole politcal spectrum is pretty much in agreement that infants need nutrients to survive and grow. Stop using an example of incredibly dumbass parents who didn't properly feed their child to attack liberals.
 

TheNinja

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friggin people. i mean at least most humans have a choice about starving or what to eat, etc. But a tiny little baby relies on adults to live and these ignorants idiots let a baby starve to death. CAn you imagine that poor kid? He was probably hungry all the time but had no way to get himself more food.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Praxis1452

4. anybody who brings politics into this is absolutely a ****** idiot.

George Bush doesn't care about starving liberal vegan babies.
 

amish

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Praxis1452

4. anybody who brings politics into this is absolutely a ****** idiot.

George Bush doesn't care about starving liberal vegan babies.

:laugh:

if vegans asked for reparations what do you think they would ask for?
40 acres of soy and a bongo drum?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The whole Vegan thing is crap. We all now any animal would eat us in a heart beat if it could catch us and cook us.

The woman ( I won't call her a mom since she isn't one) probably didn't breast feed, because she is an animal and the milk would have come from an animal.

People like this need to understand that it's fine to have beliefs but when those beliefs cause pain and suffering to innocent children, it's time for the beliefs to go out the door. I don't care what you believe in or what God you worship, but a child is more important than any of those beliefs.

I don't think you have any grasp on this argument. Vegans are not about considering themselves animals; they consider themselves human (which is an animal if you want to debate it). Most vegans aren't opposed to breastfeeding either.


 

OverVolt

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Why does the article make it sound as if his parents being vegan had anything to do with them starving their baby.

Retarded article.