Vegan Mothers Give Their Babies Brain Damage

[tcsenter]

Remember this "study" is based on two participants. The point of the study *should* be that B12 deficiency causes newborn brain damage - the fact that they are vegan is incidental. They could've easily picked two mothers who ate meat who had some other deficiency anyway.

Well first it wasn't a "study", it was a report of two case studies by the CDC. The CDC didn't set out to "look" for vitamin B-12 deficiencies in Vegan mothers but only found two, nor did they set out to "study" the risks of Vegan diets. These particular cases were brought to the attention of a CDC investigator by physicians or public health officials, and they released this report as an advisory.

The fact that they were Vegan is not at all incidental. These are two people who DELIBERATELY chose a diet they believed to be "healthier" and wound up giving their children developmental brain abnormalities. The significance is IRONY.

I'm not vegan/vegetarian myself but I don't believe the arguments that humans are "meant" to eat meat. Vegetarians/vegans as a whole are healthier, have lower rates of obesity/heart disease, and have a longer life expectancy.

Actually, the health benefits of both vegetarian and Vegan diets are only measurable or detectable when they are deliberately compared with a 'typical American diet' rich in animal products and fats. This is truly what it means to compare apples and oranges, by comparing a particularly small subculture of people who are so zealously concerned about their health they have radically altered their diets, to the general population who generally are not at all concerned about their health and eat lots of McDonald's. A better comparison would be between vegetarians who consume SOME animal products and Vegans who consume NO animal products. Guess what? There is no detectable difference in health advantages when the two are compared.

IOW, one need NOT totally deprive one's self of animal products in order to reap all the health benefits of Vegan diets. By all but avoiding fast foods rich in animal products, reducing but not eliminating the intake of red meats, selecting better preparation methods (broiled vs. fried), eating more vegetables and grains, and pursuing a variety of foods, you can virtually eliminate the health risks associated with EXCESSIVE consumption of animal products and too little plant sources.

Looks like your logic is pretty screwed up. Your wording would present it as if they were presented with a choice between eating meat/diary/taking supplements and damaging their kid. When in fact this was not the decision they made.

It WAS the decision they made, DE FACTO, whether they knew this was the choice they were making is irrelevant.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Looks like your logic is pretty screwed up. Your wording would present it as if they were presented with a choice between eating meat/diary/taking supplements and damaging their kid. When in fact this was not the decision they made.

It WAS the decision they made, DE FACTO, whether they knew this was the choice they were making is irrelevant.

It is relevant to your insinuation that they would rather hurt their children than eat something.

 

[ProviaFan]

The terms vegitarian and vegan have been used in various ways in this thread, and now I'm confused about what they mean. What I thought was that a vegitarian ate only plants, but also might consume milk or eggs (animal products, but not the animals themselves). Vegans would only eat plants, and generally would not consume any animal products. Many also refrain from wearing clothes made from animal skins, and they will refuse to purchase products (such as hair shampoo) that has been tested on animals.

Why some ultra conservative Christians think that it's evil to be a vegetarian is beyond me, considering that in their own Bible the first man and woman were not to eat any meat.

However, I still can see no justification for being a vegan (unless it is of necessity; perhaps one has an allergy to milk?); I thought that only extremist PETA members were likely to be vegans. 😕

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Moral reasons? Shows what you know.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

The truth, as others have pointed out, is that you can be vegan and perfectly healthy. It's a matter of balancing your diet. It can be hard to substitute the nutrients found in meat, but IMO, if you do, it's a better choice. For everything good in meat theres plenty bad.

 

[Jmman]

Well, I think there is scientific evidence that man would not even exist in his present form if it wasn't for meat. It seems as if the advent of better hunting techniques and tools coincides with an enlargement of the cranium in primitive man, leading many scientists to conclude that the increased levels of protein directly led to larger brains and the development of modern man..........

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

humans were not biologically designed to fly either

err ok... but vegans don't rely on technology, they prefer natural things.

huh.... ok.

i was just saying, whether or not humans are biologically designed to do something does not really matter.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: mee987
im not gonna sh-t on the floor, but it wouldnt be morally wrong to do so.

well everybody has different sets of morals i guess... personally i would consider you to be somewhat amoral if you shat on my floor.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

Ladies and gentlemen, there we have it. Who am I to argue with millions of years of evolution? Moral or not animals eat each other, that's the way nature goes.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

Ladies and gentlemen, there we have it. Who am I to argue with millions of years of evolution? Moral or not animals eat each other, that's the way nature goes.

yea, i'm sure everything you do is done with "what nature intended" in mind... you always walk, never riding in an automobile, never been on a boat....

 

[Bignate603]

Remember one thing...

Salad is not food.

Salad is what food eats.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

humans were not biologically designed to fly either

Very true. We do not, however, fly via biological means.

 

[compudog]

Originally posted by: jjones
I grow my own organic meat. I have a steak tree out back. 😉

HA!!! That's funny! But where can I get a baby-back rib tree?

 

[TommyWDetroit]

Hmm.. I dunno.. I went on a no meat diet for a month. A week into it, my. erm.. "doodie" was green and blue. To me.. that just ain't natural. So I decided fvck this no meat diet.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

I understand their moral stand against meat. I did the vegan lifestyle for a couple of months until I realized that it is not more okay to eat plants because they are less similar to us than animals. If plants could get up and move away to avoid being eaten they would.

This is a good point that is ignored too often, in my opinion. Where is the moral high ground in protesting cruelty to animals, when you ignore and trample over an entire Kingdom of living beings? Isn't the exploitation of plants for our own benefit equally reprehensible?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

I understand their moral stand against meat. I did the vegan lifestyle for a couple of months until I realized that it is not more okay to eat plants because they are less similar to us than animals. If plants could get up and move away to avoid being eaten they would.

This is a good point that is ignored too often, in my opinion. Where is the moral high ground in protesting cruelty to animals, when you ignore and trample over an entire Kingdom of living beings? Isn't the exploitation of plants for our own benefit equally reprehensible?

The point that you are both dumbasses is ignored far too often.

 

[Maverick]

I had a roommate who took B12 supplements to keep his hands from shaking when he was doing something intricate (like soldering). He said it stopped that. I can believe its got something to do with the nervous system.

As for vegans...to each his own. I'm kinda vegetarian myself (I only eat chicken)...but I can't give up something like milk, butter, ice cream, breads, etc.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think vegetarians/vegans are silly.. humans are not biologically designed to be herbivores.

humans were not biologically designed to fly either

Very true. We do not, however, fly via biological means.

thank you captain obvious 😀