[Various] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review Thread

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fastamdman

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But for review purposes it'll be reported by most sites as not throttling and the noise curve will be worse for those who want to stop the throttling.

Do you think it's the proper way to distribute something that you need to do modifications to make it run as advertised? And then you don't know whether or not the noise is going to be acceptable until after you buy it. Especially when they marketed it as a new and improved high quality cooler that you were paying an extra hundred for?


You do realize that not every card on the market is throttling right? A big part of the throttling is going to be case temps and ambient temps. Everyone has a different opinion of what "loud" is, but if you have heard a 1080 at full 100% fan speed, it's not obnoxiously loud by any means. It's not nearly as noisy as the 980ti is by any means.

Also, you don't need to do modifications for it to run as advertised. If you drop the card in, it will do exactly what it's supposed to do, run at its base clock 24/7, and BOOST to the highest clock that it can while keeping temps at reasonable levels. The majority of people buying a 1080 FE im sure will have the general knowledge to be able to download an app to increase fan speeds if they would like the higher boost clocks to stay under 100% gpu load.

What most people aren't realizing though is that very few things are going to be putting these 1080s under 100% gpu load 100% of the time. So for the masses, this card is going to be wonderful, FE or non FE. Personally I am waiting out for the non FE cards because I don't need a blower style card and until I water cool my 1080 later on down the road, I would rather have an AIB cooler instead of a blower cooler and they are cheaper.

As far as it costing an extra 100 dollars, that is completely fine for nvidia to do. There is a HUGE demand for these video cards all around the world. The people wanting to pay 699 to 1000 for FE cards so they can have them sooner then vendor cards by all means are more than happy to. The cooler might not be the BEST on the market, but nvidia isn't in the cooling solution game. They are in the chip making game and money making game.

It was a smart move by nvidia to release a founders edition card, with a blower style cooler that will work extremely well for a lot of people. It's not like when you slap the card in a machine and put it under intensive loads it slows to a crawl and can't handle the load. It simply lowers/fluctuates the boost clocks to keep everything in line. Nvidia is also releasing new drivers to help out with fan settings as well and im sure there will be plenty of other things coming out to help the FE cards.

In the end, this card is absolutely amazing. I am not a fan boy of any particular company. I always make informed decisions and buy the video card that is going to give me the best fps in the games that I play period. If AMD had a card out right now that would beat the 1080 in the majority of titles I would buy it, even if I had to increase the fan speed.

Most people don't actually realize what pascal has actually achieved as they are just looking at it for an upgrade in fps. All of the other things that it has achieved get forgotten about because "oh its fast". Great, im glad it's fast but the fact that it will be able to support multiple monitor setups without stretching the sides out is amazing. The fact that ansel exists is amazing. The fact that they improved SLI is huge. The fact that they did so much work on VR is amazing. All of the things that pascal has achieved is truly amazing. It might not be the best price/performance. It might still need a few things worked out, but regardless its performance and capability are second to none currently.
 

faseman

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You do realize that not every card on the market is throttling right?

As far as it costing an extra 100 dollars, that is completely fine for nvidia to do.

The 1080 throttles to BASE clocks after 10 (!!!!) minutes of gaming - in an OPEN AIR setup. That $700 premium price at work!

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How anyone can defend a mid-range card being sold for $700+ when it can't even boost past base clocks is a joke. Unless you play games in 5 minute spurts.
 

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O my god what a turd, it cant even get any boost clock with open air bench with stock plug and play. I'm glad Nvidia does not make cars that you have to mess with the fan and radiator to get all the power.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Retail cards dont throttle. I assume it was a driver bug since they use another driver :)

Even my GTX1080 in an ITX case in a corner, stopped case fan and high ambient temperatures dont go below 1734Mhz as worst case.
 

faseman

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Hmm who to believe, the nvidia shill who has spent years downplaying anything and everything AMD, or, the independent reviewer that supplied actual evidence.....an easy choice really!

The 1080 is a joke in its current state. Who wants to pay premium card prices ($700+) for such a cheaply made card - it literally throttles after 10 minutes of gaming.


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Qwertilot

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Notice the heavily overclocked curve on that graph? The one which essentially holds ~2050 and doesn't really throttle?

If the cooler can do that, then it can very definitely cope with keeping it stable around 1850 or so! Very obviously a matter of fan curves/configuration, and a very fixable one too, so they very likely have.
 
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The 1080 throttles to BASE clocks after 10 (!!!!) minutes of gaming - in an OPEN AIR setup. That $700 premium price at work!

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How anyone can defend a mid-range card being sold for $700+ when it can't even boost past base clocks is a joke. Unless you play games in 5 minute spurts.

This was confirmed by Computerbase.de, Gamers Nexus and even JayZ, which had a video showing live gameplay on the reference 1080 on an open bench. After 10 minutes or so, his 1080 was basically at base clocks.

He had to raise the power limit and set manual 80% fan speed (no longer quiet anymore boys, noise doesn't matter though apparently!), which was the setting he used for the reviews. Basically OC vs stock 980Ti. These reviewers are pretty awful but they do present some interesting results.
 

Keysplayr

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I think all that would have been needed was a better fan profile. Not raising power limits. And fan noise being quiet or loud is pretty relative. Everyone is different. FuryX pump noise didnt bother a lot of people. But it sure bothered others.
 

Keysplayr

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Notice the heavily overclocked curve on that graph? The one which essentially holds ~2050 and doesn't really throttle?

If the cooler can do that, then it can very definitely cope with keeping it stable around 1850 or so! Very obviously a matter of fan curves/configuration, and a very fixable one too, so they very likely have.

Perfectly said. Agreed.
 

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Notice the heavily overclocked curve on that graph? The one which essentially holds ~2050 and doesn't really throttle?

If the cooler can do that, then it can very definitely cope with keeping it stable around 1850 or so! Very obviously a matter of fan curves/configuration, and a very fixable one too, so they very likely have.
Yep,it's what been reported by most 1080FE owners at OCN and not very hard to observe at all.
 

RussianSensation

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Notice the heavily overclocked curve on that graph? The one which essentially holds ~2050 and doesn't really throttle?

If the cooler can do that, then it can very definitely cope with keeping it stable around 1850 or so! Very obviously a matter of fan curves/configuration, and a very fixable one too, so they very likely have.

The evidence he provided isn't sufficient proof because in his example he used a game that average loaded his GPU ~ 90%, with a max of 97%. That's nowhere close to the max utilization of 20 minutes. There is also the scenario that someone could get a high ASIC that performs substantially better than the average FE card. JokerProductions I believe got a card with 98.5% ASIC and it didn't throttle.

The custom fan curve argument also has a double-edged sword baked right into it. Whether it was R9 290/290X or 1080, sure you can increase the fan speed to help sustain boost clocks but then you are increasing noise levels. We would then need an updated noise graph to reflect a 1080 FE card that can run the game at 99-100% GPU usage without throttling. It's mind-blowing seeing the same people who berated the 6970/7970/290 blowers now using the fan curve argument and ignoring the increased noise levels that come with it.

Finally, you missed the biggest elephant in the room: 1070 and 1080 FE cost $70 and $100 more, respectively, than NV's MSRP. Think about how it would look if AMD charged $70-100 premium for every blower card in shiny useless aluminum shroud since the days of HD5870? The precedent being set here is horrendous. Because people are buying FE cards, even if the card performed as expected, they are straight up handing over $70/100 more for a reference card. If consumers vote with their wallets that they want increased prices, what do you think NV will do from now on? If consumers boycotted the card and said it's only acceptable to release a $599 FE and a $699 AIO 1080, then, maybe just maybe, NV would have listened for Volta. Now, with FE cards being defended, price premium being defended, not a chance that's happening.

What's shocking is the willingness of PC gamers to throw $100 extra on a garbage cooling solution. Many of these same people criticized Fury X's amazing AIO CLC but then went out and spent $$$ on after-market Hybrid AIO kits. If anything it just goes to prove what many of us were saying for years -- NV knows it has a core group of its loyal customers that will bend over for anything they do. This is just another example of that. EVGA even has a "step-up" where you can trade an FE card for the ACX 3.0, but you don't get the difference in the $$$$ spent.

Anyway, once AIBs have 1080 cards, the Early Adopter Tax FE will be quickly forgotten as consumers will have access to superior AIB cards. I'll just be sure to bring up $699 FE vs. AMD's reference Vega when it launches to make the comparison fair considering how many on here never even waited for AIB cards. Slowly NV is breeding a sub-culture of enthusiasts that actually love to spend more and more. They are even trying to position the term enthusiast as someone who doesn't care about prices and/or spends more. Pretty stark contrast from many CPU users who hated inflated 6700K prices and waited until MSRP to buy it. Next stop $799-899 GP102. If I were NV, I would go even better -- Full GP102 $999, cut-down 780 style successor for $799.

Oh, and remember how some people on here hated on AIO CLC Fury because you couldn't have 0 dBA operation at light gaming/2D mode? Cannot have that on FE cards but I guess noise levels don't matter anymore.
 
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Keysplayr

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Yes so youll deal with higher levels of fan noise through your headphones or all that white noise whooshing over your 7.1 system.

And, Nvidia will charge what the market will bear for its products. You absolutely do not have to buy those products. But you constantly complain about them as if you do.
 
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How loud are these things getting if you crank the fans up high enough to actually sustain decent clocks?
 

tential

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Yes so youll deal with higher levels of fan noise through your headphones or all that white noise whooshing over your 7.1 system.

And, Nvidia will charge what the market will bear for its products. You absolutely do not have to buy those products. But you constantly complain about them as if you do.

So now fan noise doesn't matter? In that case, can we go back and rewrite history and say the 290x was the best card ever?

I mean, how much shifting of goalposts do we need to go through here? Why defend them to the grave? This isn't a matter of the 1080 being horrendous. It's about the FE cooler being bad. And guess what? Any blower cooler they made was going to be quite bad anyway. So why not just accept the obvious truth. The FE cooler is substandard. You paid a premium to get a substandard cooler so that you could have the best card first.
It's simply the truth.

Others will eventually get a better cooler than you, but you got to get the 1080 first. It's about what you value the most.

Just be honest...
 

Keysplayr

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So now fan noise doesn't matter? In that case, can we go back and rewrite history and say the 290x was the best card ever?

I mean, how much shifting of goalposts do we need to go through here? Why defend them to the grave? This isn't a matter of the 1080 being horrendous. It's about the FE cooler being bad. And guess what? Any blower cooler they made was going to be quite bad anyway. So why not just accept the obvious truth. The FE cooler is substandard. You paid a premium to get a substandard cooler so that you could have the best card first.
It's simply the truth.

Others will eventually get a better cooler than you, but you got to get the 1080 first. It's about what you value the most.

Just be honest...

I am being honest. My complaints in the past about fan noise and paper launches and such were fool hardy. Hows that for honesty my man?
Maturity comes with blessings and curses. There are other things Ive complained about in the past i am certain my views may have changed about also
So down off your soapbox you come. Please.
And I do not have a 1080.

I know i know. Bad yields amiright? So funny

And I cant help but feel, that when you say "Just be honest", what you really mean is "Just say things the way I want to hear them. Anyway, I dont want this to get personal. Im not perfect and neither is anyone in here. Mind changing does occur. Sign of intelligence I believe.
 
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tential

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I am being honest. My complaints in the past about fan noise and paper launches and such were fool hardy. Hows that for honesty my man?
Maturity comes with blessings and curses. There are other things Ive complained about in the past i am certain my views may have changed about also
So down off your soapbox you come. Please.
And I do not have a 1080.

I know i know. Bad yields amiright? So funny

And I cant help but feel, that when you say "Just be honest", what you really mean is "Just say things the way I want to hear them. Anyway, I dont want this to get personal. Im not perfect and neither is anyone in here. Mind changing does occur. Sign of intelligence I believe.

You:
"used to refer to any person in general."

Please don't think I'm referring to you specifically.

I'm talking about anyone who purchased a 1080. That is EXTREMELY obvious, and there is no possible way I could know you had a 1080 unless you openly stated you did, so obviously I was not talking about you. Not to mention if your signature is correct your card is in your signature, so clearly you know I'm not talking about you specifically.

The driveby bad yields comment is uncalled for and will only just derail the conversation. As for the comment about me stepping down off my soap box. You know that's extremely uncalled for as well. If you don't want to make things personal, don't make them with comments like that.

Keep it on topic, which is the 1080:

With the 1080, you had to pay a premium to get the card first and in return you got a substandard cooler.
That is the truth.
 
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Qwertilot

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How loud are these things getting if you crank the fans up high enough to actually sustain decent clocks?

Seemingly not awful, but if you actively care about noise this is not going to be the cooler to get :)

I'd not touch it for not powering down its fans at idle alone, but at this TDP there will be some very, very quiet cooling solutions from the AIB's.

Elsewhere, well, I was just defending it against the throttling. I definitely wouldn't buy one myself vs some other things.

Although I also don't think calling the FE cooler crap or bad is truly fair. Much closer to average, with a downside of a premium attached.
 

Keysplayr

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You:
"used to refer to any person in general."

Please don't think I'm referring to you specifically.

I'm talking about anyone who purchased a 1080. That is EXTREMELY obvious, and there is no possible way I could know you had a 1080 unless you openly stated you did, so obviously I was not talking about you. Not to mention if your signature is correct your card is in your signature, so clearly you know I'm not talking about you specifically.

The driveby bad yields comment is uncalled for and will only just derail the conversation. As for the comment about me stepping down off my soap box. You know that's extremely uncalled for as well. If you don't want to make things personal, don't make them with comments like that.

Keep it on topic, which is the 1080:

With the 1080, you had to pay a premium to get the card first and in return you got a substandard cooler.
That is the truth.

Cooler does what its supposed to do. Thats the truth.
 

sontin

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The card doesnt throttle. Stop it. The base clock is 1607Mhz.

You know there is a reason why nVidia is calling it a boost.
 

faseman

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The card doesnt throttle. Stop it. The base clock is 1607Mhz.

You know there is a reason why nVidia is calling it a boost.

Why are they charging extra for a card that can't boost? Unless boost clock is code for 10 minute bursts.

What exactly do consumers get from this special fools edition card?
 

Keysplayr

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Why are they charging extra for a card that can't boost? Unless boost clock is code for 10 minute bursts.

What exactly do consumers get from this special fools edition card?
Getting it early.
And it can boost.
 
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