Vancouver wins again

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Vancouver easiest - Harare worst

LONDON - Vancouver is the world's easiest city to live in while Harare is the toughest, a survey said Monday putting Europe and north America at the top while many African and Asian cities struggle behind.

Canadian and Australian cities hold six of the top 10 slots in the Economist Intelligence Unit's liveability poll, which ranks cities on five factors: health-care, stability, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.

"At the other end of the ranking, most of the poorest-performing locations are in Africa or Asia, where civil instability and poor infrastructure present significant challenges," said the survey's authors.

In ratings ranging from zero (intolerable) to 100 per cent (ideal), Vancouver scores 98 per cent, "benefiting from strong Canadian infrastructure," while Harare languishes on 37.5 "thanks to the unfolding crisis in Zimbabwe."

At the top end of the global easy-living scale, Vienna is in second place followed by Melbourne, Toronto, Perth, Calgary, Helsinki and Geneva, with Sydney and Zurich in joint ninth place.

The Japanese city of Osaka is just outside the top 10 on 13th place, and Tokyo is at joint 19th with Frankfurt.

European cities where life is generally not hard include Stockholm and Hamburg, Germany in 14th place, as well as Paris in 17th spot, Frankfurt in 19th, Copenhagen in 21st and Berlin in 22nd.

"With the exception of high scores in Australasia and some Asian centres, most of the better-scoring locations are based in the more developed regions of western Europe and North America," said the study.

A string of U.S. cities fill the rankings from 30th to 50th position ? Washington DC in 35th place, Los Angeles in 48th ? followed by another smattering of European conurbations: London is in 51st spot, Rome 52nd while Athens has western Europe's lowest showing in 63rd spot, on 81.2 per cent.

Any city with a score above 80 per cent "will have few, if any, challenges to living standards," said the survey.

Lower down the orders come Moscow in 69th spot, Beijing in 76th, Johannesburg on joint 92nd with Brazil's Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, and Bangkok in 100th place.

The bottom rankings are occupied by a swathe of Asian and African cities: Manila in 108th, New Delhi in joint 114th spot with Cairo, Mumbai in 120th, Nairobi 122nd and Lusaka 126th.

Cities scoring below 50 per cent ? which "present daily challenges to living standards" according to the authors ? include Tehran in 129th place, Karachi, Pakistan in 135th and Lagos in 136th.

The bottom three are Algiers, Dhaka and Harare ? where President Robert Mugabe called Sunday for leaders to "make Africa a continent of opportunity for all its people," as Zimbabwe struggles to emerge from an economic meltdown.

It seems Vancouver, Geneva, Vienna, and Melbourne take turns rotating between #1-4 on these lists. I'm guessing there isn't much difference in the top 20 or so anyways.
 

Dacalo

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I loved Vancouver when I visited there, what an awesome city. I plan to retire there or move there some day.
 

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If I can figure out a work visa once I've got my career going I'd love to move to Vancouver. It's like Seattle, but bigger and with better management (historically, as in the way the city has ended up being developed).

edit: if this website I'm looking at is correct, if I work for a year and learn french I can already qualify. Or work for 4 years and not speak french. neat.
 

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Make sure you guys bring a lot of cash with you for an over price house, and maybe bullet proof vest till the shootings died down.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
 

iGas

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Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer
They must have missed Hasting and the street people.
 

iGas

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
Bone freezing rain almost very day or freaking over cast ++ the insane traffics.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
Pissing bone penetrating rain almost very day or freaking over cast ++ the insane traffics.

Not the winters that I've been there. Very mild. And traffic bad? I never had issues driving during rush hour. Please, you haven't spent any time in Seattle, SF, LA, NYC, Boston, etc....
 

iGas

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
Pissing bone penetrating rain almost very day or freaking over cast ++ the insane traffics.

Not the winters that I've been there. Very mild. And traffic bad? I never had issues driving during rush hour. Please, you haven't spent any time in Seattle, SF, LA, NYC, Boston, etc....
I have spend time in LA/San Diego and the traffics in Van is just about as bad on the highway/freeway, but the traffics in town is worst than the US cities that I have been in. Vancouver is much smaller than Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico City, Montreal, Toronto, LA, and San Diego, but the traffics is worst.

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Vancouver may have improved since I left in 1997.

 

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Washington DC?? And education was one of the criteria? I thought I read all the time about how poor their public education system is. Sure, there are some excellent private college level institutions there, but that's not an option for most of the people simply because they live in DC.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
Pissing bone penetrating rain almost very day or freaking over cast ++ the insane traffics.

Not the winters that I've been there. Very mild. And traffic bad? I never had issues driving during rush hour. Please, you haven't spent any time in Seattle, SF, LA, NYC, Boston, etc....
I have spend time in LA/San Diego and the traffics in Van is just about as bad on the highway/freeway, but the traffics in town is worst than the US cities that I have been in. Vancouver is much smaller than Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico City, Montreal, Toronto, LA, and San Diego, but the traffics is worst.

Strange, I've been able to drive from UBC to Robson St after 5pm in about 20 minutes. Last time I was there in January, I was able to do the Grouse Grind on a sunny Sunday and take the tram down to see the beautiful skyline. Then later that week, take a 30 minute drive up to Cypress for night of snowboarding.

And worse than Mexico City? You're kidding right? They don't even have stop lights in a lot of areas. You have to sit in traffic forever just to cross an intersection unless you're lucky enough to have a cop directing traffic. Coworkers that work in our Mexico City office use to always complain about how it can take over an hour just to go a few miles to the office.
 

iGas

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: iGas
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

I love Vancouver and is definitely on my list of places I'd live.
Pissing bone penetrating rain almost very day or freaking over cast ++ the insane traffics.

Not the winters that I've been there. Very mild. And traffic bad? I never had issues driving during rush hour. Please, you haven't spent any time in Seattle, SF, LA, NYC, Boston, etc....
I have spend time in LA/San Diego and the traffics in Van is just about as bad on the highway/freeway, but the traffics in town is worst than the US cities that I have been in. Vancouver is much smaller than Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico City, Montreal, Toronto, LA, and San Diego, but the traffics is worst.

Strange, I've been able to drive from UBC to Robson St after 5pm in about 20 minutes. Last time I was there in January, I was able to do the Grouse Grind on a sunny Sunday and take the tram down to see the beautiful skyline. Then later that week, take a 30 minute drive up to Cypress for night of snowboarding.

And worse than Mexico City? You're kidding right? They don't even have stop lights in a lot of areas. You have to sit in traffic forever just to cross an intersection unless you're lucky enough to have a cop directing traffic. Coworkers that work in our Mexico City office use to always complain about how it can take over an hour just to go a few miles to the office.
Sound about right for Vancouver for someone that lived there. I bicycle commute and often it takes me about 1/3-1/2 of the time less than driving from East side to/from UBC.

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If one thing is certain during the 2010 Winter Olympics, it's that Vancouver's traffic is going to hell in a hand basket.....

The Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games unveiled its transportation plan March 11. It will see major routes to the downtown core closed, streets converted into pedestrian-only areas, and 180 additional buses on the already-jammed city streets.

Many locals are fleeing the spectre, choosing to take a vacation away from home when it is bustling with tourists from the rest of the world.
Downtown businesses are being encouraged to give employees time off during the games to cut down on traffic
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: iGas
Sound about right for Vancouver for someone that lived there. I bicycle commute and often it takes me about 1/3-1/2 of the time less than driving from East side to/from UBC.

Probably b/c you people drive so slow. Like I said, it use to take me 20 minutes from Robson St to UBC in the morning and back. I think I was even going the speed limit and I found myself having to weave thru the traffic as everyone just casually drove around without a care in the world.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: iGas
Sound about right for Vancouver for someone that lived there. I bicycle commute and often it takes me about 1/3-1/2 of the time less than driving from East side to/from UBC.

Probably b/c you people drive so slow. Like I said, it use to take me 20 minutes from Robson St to UBC in the morning and back. I think I was even going the speed limit and I found myself having to weave thru the traffic as everyone just casually drove around without a care in the world.

No one Drives the speed limit.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

Mild winters??? Compared to what, Alaska??? It may be mild in Canadian standards but mild altogether???
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

Mild winters??? Compared to what, Alaska??? It may be mild in Canadian standards but mild altogether???

You've never been there have you? Think Seattle and Portland.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

Mild winters??? Compared to what, Alaska??? It may be mild in Canadian standards but mild altogether???

You've never been there have you? Think Seattle and Portland.

So rainy and cold as hell. Well I live in LA and anything lower than 60*F/15*C is cold.
 

silverpig

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iGas is being a bit unfair. Traffic in Vancouver is actually quite good unless one of the river crossings is shut down due to a major accident or other incident, then things get bad quickly. Vancouver generally relies on a grid system and shuns freeways which makes the transit system relatively easy to navigate, and makes cycling quite easy as well. People here sure do like to complain though, and even though there are bike routes throughout the city and a transit system that is good enough that you won't need a car if you choose your home wisely, they still say it's not enough.

The summers are absolutely gorgeous. We get almost no rain and while we do get a few weeks of weather hot enough to make it uncomfortable unless you're on a beach, the summers are generally pleasantly warm, allowing everyone to enjoy the outdoors. This weather usually goes well into the fall where it's crisp and clear most days.

Winter pretty much sucks though. It really is mild here compared to most places in north america as it doesn't get below freezing for long periods of time. We'll get snow for maybe a week on average. Most winter days are overcast and rainy and while it can be very beautiful to be in a pacific northwestern wind and rainstorm, it gets pretty boring after a few weeks. I think I've gone about 60 days without having seen the sun.

People here also like to complain about the gang shootings and the homeless. The gang shootings are a new and isolated thing. It's not like there are 2 shootings a day or anything close to it though. There's been something like 10 all year so far, and that's a huge increase over any other year. It's a problem but not nearly as bad as other cities.

The homelessness is a big problem though. Again, it's not as bad as some big US cities, but as far as Canada goes it's pretty bad. Most of the reason is because Vancouver (and Victoria) are the only cities in the country where someone can survive on the street year-round. As a result we get the homeless from all of Canada's other cities. The federal government so far has overlooked the Vancouver homeless problem as a national one, and there are disagreements as to how to deal with the issue so it remains an unsolved problem.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Riceninja
im pretty sure that ranking is only valid in the summer

I wouldn't say that. Winters in Vancouver are very mild.

Mild winters??? Compared to what, Alaska??? It may be mild in Canadian standards but mild altogether???

You've never been there have you? Think Seattle and Portland.

So rainy and cold as hell. Well I live in LA and anything lower than 60*F/15*C is cold.

So yeah, it's not like Cali/Az/Tx/La/Fl, but still it's milder than much of the US. It's colder in the midwest and the northeast in the winter.
 

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Originally posted by: silverpig
iGas is being a bit unfair. Traffic in Vancouver is actually quite good unless one of the river crossings is shut down due to a major accident or other incident, then things get bad quickly. Vancouver generally relies on a grid system and shuns freeways which makes the transit system relatively easy to navigate, and makes cycling quite easy as well. People here sure do like to complain though, and even though there are bike routes throughout the city and a transit system that is good enough that you won't need a car if you choose your home wisely, they still say it's not enough.

The summers are absolutely gorgeous. We get almost no rain and while we do get a few weeks of weather hot enough to make it uncomfortable unless you're on a beach, the summers are generally pleasantly warm, allowing everyone to enjoy the outdoors. This weather usually goes well into the fall where it's crisp and clear most days.

Winter pretty much sucks though. It really is mild here compared to most places in north america as it doesn't get below freezing for long periods of time. We'll get snow for maybe a week on average. Most winter days are overcast and rainy and while it can be very beautiful to be in a pacific northwestern wind and rainstorm, it gets pretty boring after a few weeks. I think I've gone about 60 days without having seen the sun.

People here also like to complain about the gang shootings and the homeless. The gang shootings are a new and isolated thing. It's not like there are 2 shootings a day or anything close to it though. There's been something like 10 all year so far, and that's a huge increase over any other year. It's a problem but not nearly as bad as other cities.

The homelessness is a big problem though. Again, it's not as bad as some big US cities, but as far as Canada goes it's pretty bad. Most of the reason is because Vancouver (and Victoria) are the only cities in the country where someone can survive on the street year-round. As a result we get the homeless from all of Canada's other cities. The federal government so far has overlooked the Vancouver homeless problem as a national one, and there are disagreements as to how to deal with the issue so it remains an unsolved problem.

silverpig pretty much nailed it. Only a few points to add:

We're experiencing some sprawl problems - heavy low density growth in Surrey and the Fraser Valley, and companies are silly enough to still locate in Vancouver rather than having separate offices in Surrey or the Valley. Thus, traffic along Hwy 1 (one of the few major east-west highways) is shit during rush hour. Traffic in general though is not bad for a city this size.

Transit is pretty good in Vancouver proper, but in neighbouring cities (Burnaby, Richmond, Surrey, North Van, etc.), the frequency and quality of service drops substantially. Skytrain is fast and well used, but with few lines, it serves only a small portion of the population.

iGas is being a pansy regarding the rain. Sure it's a bit cool, but get a good GoreTex jacket and suck it up princess...I've dealt with far worse in other cities.

The recreation opportunities are fantastic - numerous hiking and walking trails, beaches and mountains. Tons to explore.

The gang shootings and homelessness problems are isolated and minor. Still, they're symptomatic of prohibition, the same as throughout North America. That said, we're fairly liberal towards pot use/possession (just walk past the haze covering the Vancouver Art Gallery around 4:20 on a Friday and see the cops just stand there).

Air quality is generally very good.
 

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winter here blows. i dont care what you people say, december on 24th ave this year was pretty much silent hill.