Van Halen was better without Hagar

[shortylickens]

Everyone knows this.
It cannot be denied.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I agree and many will disagree.

I will say Van Hagar did have some good party music not sure why but girls seemed to like it better which is weird because they brought Sammy on to make the music harder and less jaz.

 

[Hans Gruber]

You guys realize the only reason David Lee Roth was the lead singer. The Van Halen brothers didn't have money and needed someone to bankroll their band. David Lee Roth's daddy bankrolled the band. Van Hagar was the vocalist that provided Van Halen with the most hits. Had they waited a few more years, Mitch Baywatch could have been their lead German vocalist.

 

[spacejamz]

Still don't understand why you have to like one version of the band better then other...I like songs from DLR and SH versions and don't bash either version of the band...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You guys realize the only reason David Lee Roth was the lead singer. The Van Halen brothers didn't have money and needed someone to bankroll their band. David Lee Roth's daddy bankrolled the band. Van Hagar was the vocalist that provided Van Halen with the most hits. Had they waited a few more years, Mitch Baywatch could have been their lead German vocalist.

Didn’t know & don’t care.
Van Halen was far superior with Roth.

 

[KMFJD]

Roth's albums sold on avg 8 million copies vs Sammy's 7 , i like both, but prefer the energy of the pre 1984 Van Halen

 

[DigDog]

did we have THIS VERY SAME IDENTICAL THREAD like, a month ago ?

 

[Captante]

did we have THIS VERY SAME IDENTICAL THREAD like, a month ago ?

I do believe you are correct.

 

[nutxo]

Black Sabbath was better with Dio

 

[soulcougher73]

Meh. VH suxs.

 

[mindless1]

Imagine if they got Barry Manilow as the lead singer, but cranked it up a notch to death metal. lolololololol

 

[JM Aggie08]

Roth > Hagar. No contest.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Black Sabbath was better with Dio

Gonna have to stop ya right there, chief.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You really got me.....

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Gonna have to stop ya right there, chief.

That is a tough one. Both had some epic stuff.
I vote slightly better with Ozzy because the not so great stuff was better on average.
Still tough call. Production value was so much better with Dio however that is likely a technology thing and Ozzy shouldn't be penalized because of it.

 

[MrSquished]

Read an article today that Sammy Hagar almost became the lead singer of Aerosmith when Steven Tyler did his solo album and was a judge on one of those talent tv shows

 

[IronWing]

I don't often argue about music on the internet but when I do, I like to argue about shit that happened thirty five years ago. Gen X is the new Boomers. Substitute the Beatles for Van Halen and off we go.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I don't often argue about music on the internet but when I do, I like to argue about shit that happened thirty five years ago. Gen X is the new Boomers. Substitute the Beatles for Van Halen and off we go.

This. Really starting to show in in ATOT, just in general lol.

 

[kage69]

GenX here, liked both as vocals. Hagar seems like a nicer guy, while Roth had a Ted Nugent vibe I didn't care for honestly.

Appetite For Destruction kind of made me forget about VH though.

 

[dasherHampton]

It's two completely different bands. Van Halen was built 100% around Eddie's guitar playing and Van Hagar was based on Hagar's pop songs.

I liked them both but I have to agree that Halen > Hager.

 

[nutxo]

That is a tough one. Both had some epic stuff.
I vote slightly better with Ozzy because the not so great stuff was better on average.
Still tough call. Production value was so much better with Dio however that is likely a technology thing and Ozzy shouldn't be penalized because of it.

Meh. I was trolling. I would argue that Sabbath grew and evolved so some things were much better. I saw sabbath like 3 or 4 years ago and they were phenomenal.

 

[DigDog]

Black Sabbath was better with Dio

wow no.

ok ok i'll bite.
here is the page summary from Wikipedia:

• 1.21969–1971: Black Sabbath and Paranoid
• 1.31971–1973: Master of Reality and Volume 4
• 1.41973–1976: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage
• 1.51976–1979: Technical Ecstasy, Never Say Die!, and Osbourne's departure
• 1.61979–1982: Dio joins, Heaven and Hell, and Mob Rules
• 1.71982–1984: Gillan as singer and Born Again
• 1.81984–1987: Hiatus, Hughes as singer, Seventh Star, and Gillen as singer
• 1.91987–1990: Martin joins, The Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, and Tyr
• 1.101990–1992: Dio rejoins and Dehumanizer
• 1.111992–1997: Martin rejoins, Cross Purposes, and Forbidden
• 1.121997–2006: Osbourne rejoins and Reunion
• 1.132006–2010: The Dio Years and Heaven & Hell
• 1.142010–2014: Second Osbourne reunion and 13
• 1.152014–2017: Cancelled twentieth album, The End, and disbandment

so Dio was with them for H&H, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer.

The first 2 albums are excellent.
Master has Sweet Leaf (meh), Children of The Grave, Solitude, Lord Of This World. An album that needed far more polish before release, yet some of these songs remained in their sets throughout their career.
Volume 4 has Snowblind and Supernaut, both killer tracks. The rest of the album is pretty forgettable.

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath only has the title track, everything else is trash.

Sabotage is a pretty strong album considering the garbage they were putting out. Good production, really nice sound, very psychedelic. Symptoms Of The Universe is a masterpiece.

Technical Extasy is garbage. Never Say Die has a barely tolearble title track and nothing else.

Then you got the Dio years.

H&H has the awesome Neon Knights and the okaish Heaven & Hell, everything else is filler. This is 1980; Ozzy will release in the next two years Blizzard of Oz and Diary of A Madman, two MAGNIFICENT albums. Three years have past since the previous Sabbath album, and Sabbath are now writing "Wishing Well" with major chords.

Next year it's The Mob Rules, that sold mostly due to the inclusion of the - very good - title track into the film Heavy Metal.Turn Up The Night is okaish and everything else is completely forgettable.

By this time i wasn't buying their albums anymore so i don't know what the next one (Born Again) is like, although Ian Gillan probably did a good job.

Seventh Star has Glen Hughues, a BASS PLAYER, as lead singer.

The Eternal Idol features singer Tony Martin, whose claim to fame is literally being the singer from this album.

Then they released The Headless Cross and i was at Berklee for a summer program and i recall this album being promoted heavily. I don't know much about it, but keep in mind that the year prior Ozzy had released the excellent and very successful No Rest For The Wicked ft Zakk Wylde, better known as SQUEAKS FOR EVERYONE.
By now Pantera have released Vulgar Display with Anselmo. Iron Maiden are celebrating 10 years of incredible success. Metallica publish And Justice For All and get the video for One on rotation on late night MTV.

Ozzy was waaaaaaaaay ahead of Sabbath .. ugh. i want to say Sabbath but really, i should say Iommi.

Tony Iommi is a terribad guitar player, a horrible songwriter, and a shit bandleader. In 20 years he managed to crank out maybe 4 decent riffs.
The real impact of Black Sabbath in 1969 was the dark, gloomy atmosphere that contraster the fucking Flower Power movement happy sounds that you'd hear from everyone else. PET SOUNDS is from 2 years prior. Yellow Submarine is from the same year as Black Sabbath ...

Their stage presence, Ozzy's wailing voice, the dark, thunderous sound, as a package, was revolutionary. Ozzy clearly understood that they were a metal band, which Iommi didn't; maybe that's why the Google search for Black Sabbath calls them a "rock" band. Iomi is also a fucking primadonna AND doesn't have the talent or success to back that up.

Dehumanizer is not bad but, you know, 1991. By this time i was already listening to post-punk stuff (Pixies etc) so listening to a 50yo hammer on his E string isn't really the peak of excitement.

 

[13Gigatons]

Van Halen was Awesome.

Van Hagar just plain sucked.

Sammy Hagar was better as a solo act.

Black Sabbath was Ozzy (nothing was made without him).

Ozzy had a very surprising and long solo career.


This thread is now over.....

 

[Captante]

Black Sabbath was better with Dio

Translation: "I never saw Sabbath with the original members and thus have no clue".

 

[Captante]

Van Hagar just plain sucked

Inaccurate at best.... they were not even close to as good as they were with DLR BUT Hagar is (and was) very talented.

I saw both versions of the band play live and have to say that anyone claiming Sammy gave a better show is confused about what makes a good rock concert IMO. (or just prefers a "lower-energy" concert maybe?)

The first time I saw VH was as a "warmup" band at a KISS concert ... they blew KISS right off the stage too. (Eruption into You Really Got Me @ that show is one of my top 10 live music moments)