valve looks to take advantage

[norseamd]

And no most who play free to play games are not purchasing anything.

http://business.financialpost.com/f...-money-off-free-to-play-games?__lsa=9053-b7aa

 

[Puppies04]

Let me voice my opinion on this subject. That said this is my opinion aand I don't expect anyone else to follow it.

I don't give a single crap about people being denied full acccount functions when they haven't spent any money on steam. Personally I don't use any of these "features" other than sending the odd IM to friends to tell them to log vent so we can chat. These are however features and bandwidth that cost money aand thousands of people taking advantage of the fact they are free is costing people like me money somewhere along the line.

I can absolutely guarantee you that someone out there has set up a business model where poor people are paid to do nothing other than set up steam accounts and vote for games on greenlight all day and night. This also costs steam money in bandwidth and results in crappy games getting upvoted and unsuspecting users end up buying them.

Lastly I will point out that although I had severe doubts about the inability to sell my second hand games anymore (not that I would ever sell them unless someone randomly made me an offer at which point I would propably just give them away) I know for an absolute fact that steam has saved me money not having to buy games I already own becaause the CD got scratched or I lost disk 3 of 4. I love the fact I can wipe my old PC, build a new one and all my games are waiting for me to download whenever I want. Allso I have a gaming laptop I upgrade every year or 2 and being able to be away from home and decide to play one of the dozens of titles I own without needing a physical copy is worth the few measly £ I would get for second hand games.

As for all this trading card BS, who actually bothers with that crap. If you want to collect cards go play hearthstone or MtG.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hilarious backfire thread continues to be hilarious.

Also, someone should move this to PC Gaming. Might get some more opinions.

 

[norseamd]

Also, someone should move this to PC Gaming. Might get some more opinions.

Actually P&N would probably be more appropiate.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I agree with puppies04. Steam is great because you don't have to file & save game CD/DVD's they are always stored, I can think of two games I had to repurchase because I uninstalled them and lost the CD key.

All hail Gabe

 

[norseamd]

I agree with puppies04. Steam is great because you don't have to file & save game CD/DVD's they are always stored, I can think of two games I had to repurchase because I uninstalled them and lost the CD key.

Yes that is very true and I tend to buy digital games now because of those reasons especially since I have broke some CDs very recenlty in the last few years or so.

However what is interesting is that I just made my first purchase on GOG the day earlier than Valve made this move. Honestly for some time now I have thought about wanting to start shifting over to GOG especially if they finally are able to put out their own platform Software that could compete with Steam while being fully DRM free.

 

[BeeBoop]

Seriously what does customer service have to do with a game? I don't see where you need it. Install the game and play.
There are places where no customer service is needed, like sandwich shops or supermarkets.

Some games ship broken. I guess they need a place see what is broken to fix it.

 

[Paladin3]

Fucking supermarket in town here pulled the same shit. I hadn't spent any money with them and they refused to let me leave with my groceries.

Shitting in their bathrooms was free. Drinking at their water fountain was free. Reading the magazines at the rack was free. Trying to actually take the groceries I wanted home was restricted to paying customers. Bastards!

Edit: Sorry, OP, just having fun. Luv u!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Fucking supermarket in town here pulled the same shit. I hadn't spent any money with them and they refused to let me leave with my groceries.

Shitting in their bathrooms was free. Drinking at their water fountain was free. Reading the magazines at the rack was free. Trying to actually take the groceries I wanted home was restricted to paying customers. Bastards!

Bad analogy is bad. I paid for a game that activated on Steam. Yet, I am restricted from using their services, even though I am a paying customer.

A better analogy would be this. You go into the grocery store, buy groceries, but also want to use the restroom. The store won't let you, unless you also buy lottery tickets.

Their argument is, requiring the purchase of lottery tickets to use the restroom, keeps the homeless people from smelling it up.

 

[CZroe]

Bad analogy is bad. I paid for a game that activated on Steam. Yet, I am restricted from using their services, even though I am a paying customer.

A better analogy would be this. You go into the grocery store, buy groceries, but also want to use the restroom. The store won't let you, unless you also buy lottery tickets.

Their argument is, requiring the purchase of lottery tickets to use the restroom, keeps the homeless people from smelling it up.

Sorry, but when I bought Half-Life 2 Collector's Edition and was forced to sign up for Steam to install and play it, I was not concerned with Steam chat and voting. In fact, I'm pretty sure those things didn't exist with Steam back then. Even now, they aren't relevant to me playing the game I bought. I didn't buy Steam chat and a vote.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No a better analogy is like the sign bathroom for paying customers

Or

 

[leper84]

Lots of the complaints were about how Valve was controlling the greenlight process themselves.

Maybe you should stop using Steam if you have so much to bitch about while you admit to not spending a dime to use their services. Stop being so entitled.

 

[norseamd]

Maybe you should stop using Steam if you have so much to bitch about while you admit to not spending a dime to use their services. Stop being so entitled.

 

[Puppies04]

Bad analogy is bad. I paid for a game that activated on Steam. Yet, I am restricted from using their services, even though I am a paying customer.

A better analogy would be this. You go into the grocery store, buy groceries, but also want to use the restroom. The store won't let you, unless you also buy lottery tickets.

Their argument is, requiring the purchase of lottery tickets to use the restroom, keeps the homeless people from smelling it up.

That is a terrible analogy.

How about you go to a grocery store and buy food but they won't let you use the restroom unless you buy the stores own brand groceries..... but you don't really want to use the restroom so you don't care.

 

[norseamd]

How about you go to a grocery store and buy food but they won't let you use the restroom unless you buy the stores own brand groceries

Would go with this as the most correct analogy so far.

 

[BeeBoop]

This is a nonissue, like a joke. I can't believe some people here are taking norseamd seriously. Take it to the steam forums norseamd. O wait, you can't because you're poor.

 

[norseamd]

This is a nonissue, like a joke. I can't believe some people here are taking norseamd seriously. Take it to the steam forums norseamd. O wait, you can't because you're poor.

And you think that is applying to everyone who is using the Steam platform?

 

[BeeBoop]

That is a terrible analogy.

How about you go to a grocery store and buy food but they won't let you use the restroom unless you buy the stores own brand groceries..... but you don't really want to use the restroom so you don't care.

They don't allow poor people to roam in the malls or grocery stores. In NYC, poor people are not even allowed on the sidewalks.

Edit:
I should have used the word "homeless" but I'm sure everyone here gets my point. If you're complaining and trying to rally up the troops over five dollars, then you are pretty close to being homeless.

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[norseamd]

They don't allow poor people to roam in the malls or grocery stores. In NYC, poor people are not even allowed on the sidewalks.

You know I was going to say if you said yes that although I am not that good at rhetoric that it sometimes takes tack to get the true feelings or thoughts out of someone but you just hit the fucking Grand Slam.

 

[BeeBoop]

You know I was going to say if you said yes that although I am not that good at rhetoric that it sometimes takes tack to get the true feelings or thoughts out of someone but you just hit the fucking Grand Slam.

Your thoughts and the way you convey it to other people always seem so incoherent. Do you even know what's going on up there?

 

[SparkyJJO]

If you hate Steam so much or you hate how they run their service, then don't use it.

Simple.

If you use it, you agree to abide by their rules. Their service, they can write the rules however they want. If enough people don't like it people will stop using it and they'll have to change.

This is hardly the worst thing they could have done. Geez. Get over it.

 

[norseamd]

The comments halfway down start to get interesting and also in some ways concerning.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/17/steam-limited-accounts/

 

[Ichinisan]

Bad analogy is bad. I paid for a game that activated on Steam. Yet, I am restricted from using their services, even though I am a paying customer.

A better analogy would be this. You go into the grocery store, buy groceries, but also want to use the restroom. The store won't let you, unless you also buy lottery tickets.

Their argument is, requiring the purchase of lottery tickets to use the restroom, keeps the homeless people from smelling it up.

...but you can use the restroom as much as you want for the rest of your life if you bought one lottery ticket or candy bar.

 

[norseamd]

poor people are not even allowed on the sidewalks.

No one is allowed to sleep on the sidewalk rich or poor or homeless. The rich, poor, and homeless can all use the sidewalk for other activities. At least I hope. NYC is a total shithole of the worst fucking kind.

 

[CZroe]

Bad analogy is bad. I paid for a game that activated on Steam. Yet, I am restricted from using their services, even though I am a paying customer.

A better analogy would be this. You go into the grocery store, buy groceries, but also want to use the restroom. The store won't let you, unless you also buy lottery tickets.

Their argument is, requiring the purchase of lottery tickets to use the restroom, keeps the homeless people from smelling it up.

Nah. The homeless people aren't targeting the paying customers (phishing) or trying to sabotage the store's attempt to select new products/suppliers that the paying customers demand (Greenlight voting fraud). The "groceries" you paid for were actually just profit-less gift cards for Best Buy, Amazon, and iTunes instead of a direct purchase of their wares. They only sell that stuff to increase revenues, not profits.

That is a terrible analogy.

How about you go to a grocery store and buy food but they won't let you use the restroom unless you buy the stores own brand groceries..... but you don't really want to use the restroom so you don't care.

LOL!