""Values" voters fade as factor in U.S. campaign" -- Reuters

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Even before U.S. Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record)'s cybersex scandal, Republicans fighting to keep control of Congress were struggling to hold on to "values voters" who usually are energized by issues like gay marriage and abortion.

While such issues motivated the Republicans' social-conservative base in the past, they are overshadowed in this year's congressional election campaign by concerns about the Iraq war, the economy and national security, according to opinion polls and political strategists.

"Poverty, the wealth gap, health care -- people can't afford Medicare. Something's got to be done about that," Sue Harrell, a school teacher in Monroe City, Indiana, said recently.

She said "Christian values" were important in previous votes but her top issues now are education and the prevalence of methamphetamine abuse and poverty in Knox County, Indiana.

Such talk has Republicans nervous and Democrats scenting opportunities to recapture the House of Representatives after 12 years in the minority, as well as reduce the Republican advantage in the Senate.

An ABC-Washington Post poll released last week found that 23 percent of Americans surveyed cited Iraq or the war on terrorism as their top concerns in the November 7 elections. Another 23 percent cited the economy. Democrats held the advantage in dealing with all three issues.

Just 2 percent of those surveyed cited either abortion or same-sex marriage as a top concern.

The scandal that began last month over former Florida Republican Rep. Foley's tawdry computer messages to teenage congressional assistants has only served to further dampen Republican enthusiasm.

TICKED OFF

"The social conservatives are ticked off by Foley," said Democratic pollster Doug Schoen. "The economic conservatives are ticked off by spending. And those who are concerned about foreign policy are ticked off by an America that is less safe and secure because of the war in Iraq. There's no real room for people to vote on social 'values' issues."

Democrats, in contrast, are highly motivated to vote, said American University political scientist Candice Nelson.

Support for Democrats by white evangelical Protestants, a core group of the so-called values voters, also has risen this year from 2004, the ABC/Washington Post poll showed.

Since his re-election in 2004, President Bush has catered to social-conservative priorities by appointing two conservatives to the U.S. Supreme Court and by issuing his first veto against a bill that would have expanded federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

But few individual races this year are turning on such issues.

In Pennsylvania's Senate race, for instance, Democrats sidestepped an abortion fight by running anti-abortion Catholic Bob Casey against Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record), the anti-abortion Catholic Republican incumbent. Santorum is trailing in polls.

Similarly, several House races in conservative regions such as Harrell's Indiana district feature anti-abortion Democrats challenging Republican incumbents.

In Virginia, however, Republican Sen. George Allen (news, bio, voting record)'s unexpectedly tight re-election bid could get a boost from a ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage. A Washington Post poll released on Tuesday found that a fragile majority of state voters backed the ban.

More broadly, voters in states with such measures are paying less attention than in 2004, a Pew Research poll last week found.

Republicans have sought to highlight the prospect of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), a liberal Californian, becoming speaker of the House -- the most powerful job in the House -- should Democrats win.

Socially conservative voters "are no longer in love with the Republican majority but it is their distaste and fear of a Democratic majority that may drive them to vote," said Republican strategist Neil Newhouse.

Conservative leader Gary Bauer says a last-minute surge among values voters remains a strong possibility. Otherwise, "they really may wake up the next morning and find (liberal Democrat) Ted Kennedy in a leadership position in the Senate and Nancy Pelosi running the House," he said.

(Additional reporting by Andrea Hopkins)

Maybe some of the social conservatives in this country are starting to realize that it's ridiculous to vote for candidates based on "moral authority" legislation that will never pass? Or is it that some Democrats are now playing the same game by also claiming they are anti-abortion?

It doesn't cost much to say that people should vote for you based on values. Especially when you know the legislation will never actually pass.
 

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Values Voters or Valuim Voters, they never knew what was happening anyway.
'Smear the Queer' only goes so far before smarter people notice what's happening.
 

Craig234

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I'm a values voter, and therefore a democrat.

The republifascists consist mainly of the greedy few and the many duped, along with the parasites who make the machine work.
 

Lemon law

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For the values voter---the Repubs talked the talk---but forgot to walk the walk---gets a little glaring after a while---all these years of promises---and no results.
And no one is more shocked than the Repubs when their number one hot song and dance got old and stale.

Truth be told---the American people now trust neither party---and are willing to give the dems a shot again---because the repubs are clearly failing on all fronts.
 

glugglug

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A subtitle would explain it pretty well.

Example:

"Values" voters fade as factor in U.S. campaign as it finally dawns on them that their party has none.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
For the values voter---the Repubs talked the talk---but forgot to walk the walk---gets a little glaring after a while---all these years of promises---and no results.
And no one is more shocked than the Repubs when their number one hot song and dance got old and stale.

Truth be told---the American people now trust neither party---and are willing to give the dems a shot again---because the repubs are clearly failing on all fronts.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/16/AR2006101601438.html">As long as there are Hot-Button issues to draw their mindless supporters to the polls,
they will try to fold it in to influence the elections</a>

These Evangelistic Values Voters don't even catch on that they are being used and discarded,
like an old condum when the screwing is over. They'll run right back and do the lap-dog thing again and again.
Oh, crumbs, gimme, gimme, gimme!
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: glugglug
A subtitle would explain it pretty well.

Example:

"Values" voters fade as factor in U.S. campaign as it finally dawns on them that their party has none.

Yet look at the alternative. Republicans may have largely betrayed their values, but that doesn't mean I find an alternative I'm willing to go with. Voting is for the lesser of two evils, IMO.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: glugglug
A subtitle would explain it pretty well.

Example:

"Values" voters fade as factor in U.S. campaign as it finally dawns on them that their party has none.

Yet look at the alternative. Republicans may have largely betrayed their values, but that doesn't mean I find an alternative I'm willing to go with. Voting is for the lesser of two evils, IMO.

You shouldn't vote for a party you don't like simply for the sake of voting. Go third party, or just withhold your vote.
 

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a) 6 years of control in the pesidency, senate, house, 2 hand picked SCOTUS judges and absolutely nothing to show for it. It's no wonder they are paying less attention to social conservative values.
b) The elderly are dying :laugh:
 

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Never understood the values thing anyways, almost all politicians are lying, greedy, scumbags.
 

piasabird

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The elderly are always dying.

There is not enough money on earth for free health care for everyone forever. Do you want a 45% Income tax?
 

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Originally posted by: piasabird
The elderly are always dying.

There is not enough money on earth for free health care for everyone forever. Do you want a 45% Income tax?
I was making a joke; assuming only old people are socially conservative...:p
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: piasabird
There is not enough money on earth for free health care for everyone forever. Do you want a 45% Income tax?

It would cost a lot less than the "war on terra". The current American healthcare system is a broken scam thrust upon the American people by the insurance and medical industries.

Americans healthcare costs are more than double any other industrialized nation. Socialization would actually help to fix that.
 

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: piasabird
There is not enough money on earth for free health care for everyone forever. Do you want a 45% Income tax?

It would cost a lot less than the "war on terra". The current American healthcare system is a broken scam thrust upon the American people by the insurance and medical industries.

Americans healthcare costs are more than double any other industrialized nation. Socialization would actually help to fix that.

While I agree that socialized medicine might work, I do think we should give it a try. The opposition keeps saying it won't work but they have never tried it and all other industrialized nations seem to be doing fine.

I also noticed your signature; AFAIK PSEG is not a subsidiary of Con Ed. They are separate companies. In fact last year PSEG was bought by Exelon but that merger broke off this September.




 

Lemon law

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Actually the elderly voters are less likely to vote for GWB. They have heard these songs and dance numbers too many times to be as gullable as younger voters.

Its still angry white men that are a huge bulk of the Republican base---with evidence that the socker moms are rather disillusioned.

But the Repubs are still very good at bringing their base out to vote.

Should be a wild last 20 days---and big new October surprises always possible.

Don't watch television if you don't like political ads.---radio's and newspapers are not good options either. Then get your closepin---clip it across your nose---and vote for the lesser of two evils.