Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated

[dank69]

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Please post a link to a study disputing the article I linked to.

I don't need to. As Number1 pointed out, you helped kill Steve Jobs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The lulz are strong here.

 

[CitizenKain]

You are trying to group all anti-vaccine people together.

You are taking an internet poll hosted by a homeopathic doctor as a credible source. Are you going to ask us to check our Thetans next?

 

[Craig234]

government knows best, which is why the mandate that you get all of these shots... ITs foR YOUR OWN GOOD

What is up with the mental disorder that the government is out to kill you because it hates you and you should oppose it like an enemy? It's sick.

 

[mpo]

Please post a link to a study disputing the article I linked to.

How 'bout here:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/08/an_anti-vaccine-administered_survey_back.php

Come on, it is a self administered internet survey. You can't generalize anything beyond, "people who went to the web site and were bothered to fill out the survey."

 

[shortylickens]

Will I get banned if I post pics of popcorn and lawn chairs?

 

[thraashman]

While it is possible for a vaccine on a rare occasion to give the person the disease being vaccinated against, it's just not medically possible for the vaccine to cause some ridiculous wholly unrelated condition. Like all the idiots who think autism is created by those evil vaccines. Yeah Jenny McCarthy, I'm gonna reject the word of the medical community in favor of someone who is known for showing her tits in Playboy.

 

[monovillage]

Bad science, sorry.

 

[airdata]

My 5 month old isn't vaccinated. He was very congested when he was younger and we weren't going to risk putting his body under further distress by injecting him with viruses.

I Know the problem w\ this issue is that alot of you that are older probably have set opinions and grew up in a time when you had to goto the library and find something in an encyclopedia...

Like I have said in previous post, I think some vaccinations are needed, but I also think some are not needed.

Yeah, the idea of shooting 3-4 viruses into my son is absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Irc8CHK0c&feature=fvst

Video about the HPV vaccination from 2008 talking about adverse side effects for which Merck the manufacturer claims is alot less than other vaccinations.

And since it's a campaign season, I'm curious if Merck has donated to Rick Perry since he made the hpv vaccination mandatory in Texas.

 

[xBiffx]

While it is possible for a vaccine on a rare occasion to give the person the disease being vaccinated against

Really?

 

[Texashiker]

it's just not medically possible for the vaccine to cause some ridiculous wholly unrelated condition.

The CDC says a small number of people can develop health problems called vaccine-associated adverse events.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/cisa/genomics.html

So yes, it is possible for a vaccine to "cause some ridiculous wholly unrelated condition".

Really?

Yes, "really", why do you think people with compromised immune systems should not be given live virus vaccines?

Up until recently, the majority of polio cases in the US were caused by the oral polio vaccine. That is why the oral polio vaccine was stopped and injections are given.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601177.html

However, for a few people (about one in 2.4 million), OPV actually causes polio.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Do you have anything besides your opinion that can refute and/or dispute the study?

Scientific invalidity of an online survey, conducted the way they did, isn't opinion, it's fact.

However...

OP link

The data is compared to the national German KIGGS health study of the children in the general population. Most of the respondents to the survey were from the U.S. (Click on the chart to see it better)

survey

vaccineinjury.info

Asthma, hayfever and neurodermatitis are seen very frequently today. A recent German study with 17461 children between 0-17 years of age (KIGGS) showed that 4.7% of these children suffer from asthma,
.....
The prevalence of asthma among unvaccinated children in our study is around 2.5%

you can read the KiGGS abstracts, methods and summary results here (more here)

p.1054
Methods....data on
the allergic diseases hay fever, atopic dermatitis and asthma were obtained using standardised interviews for parents conducted by trained doctors.

Results....Asthma was diagnosed in 4.7 % of children and adolescents at some point and 3.0 % were currently affected, of whom, again, more were boys (3.5 %) than girls (2.5 %). The prevalence was slightly higher in urban (3.6 %) than in rural areas (2.3 %)

You can't just compare a heterogenous subject pool like in KiGGS, with an unchecked (and very likely biased) subject pool from the online survey...and attempt to draw valid statistical conclusions.

 

[Craig234]

Please post a link to a study disputing the article I linked to.

There's a cult-like opposition to vaccines (like many right-wing dogmas).

http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Choices...2608248&sr=1-1

 

[Craig234]

My 5 month old isn't vaccinated. He was very congested when he was younger and we weren't going to risk putting his body under further distress by injecting him with viruses.

I Know the problem w\ this issue is that alot of you that are older probably have set opinions and grew up in a time when you had to goto the library and find something in an encyclopedia...

Yeah, the idea of shooting 3-4 viruses into my son is absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Irc8CHK0c&feature=fvst

Video about the HPV vaccination from 2008 talking about adverse side effects for which Merck the manufacturer claims is alot less than other vaccinations.

And since it's a campaign season, I'm curious if Merck has donated to Rick Perry since he made the hpv vaccination mandatory in Texas.

To repeat the book link:

http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Choices...2608248&sr=1-1

I'm not shy to accuse a Rick Perry type of corruption when it's warranted, and his motivation might even have involved corrupt motives, though the donations were small.

But in this case, he was doing the right thing - for which he took heat from some misguided radical right-wing people.

 

[Texashiker]

There's a cult-like opposition to vaccines (like many right-wing dogmas).

I do not subscribe to the "cult-like opposition to vaccines".

Some vaccines are needed - polio, hepatitis, tetanus, flu,,,,, anything having to do with a virus or difficult to treat disease.

On the other hand, I think some vaccines are overrated and unneeded, such as chicken pox.

But in this case, he was doing the right thing - for which he took heat from some misguided radical right-wing people.

If Rick was going to mandate vaccines or the good of the public, why didn't he outlaw tobacco, or fatty foods?

Its not the governments place to tell people what they can and can not do with their bodies. I am pretty sure cancer and heart disease kills more people then HPV does.

 

[tydas]

There's a cult-like opposition to vaccines (like many right-wing dogmas).

http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Choices...2608248&sr=1-1

I don't know if I categorize anti-vacs as 'right wing' The Huffington post constantly preaches anti-vac stuff..

Its amazing to me that science has proven so many issues beyond a reasonable doubt and people still 'beleive' something is wrong..anti-vacs, global warming, evolution, etc.

 

[thraashman]

I do not subscribe to the "cult-like opposition to vaccines".

Some vaccines are needed - polio, hepatitis, tetanus, flu,,,,, anything having to do with a virus or difficult to treat disease.

On the other hand, I think some vaccines are overrated and unneeded, such as chicken pox.




If Rick was going to mandate vaccines or the good of the public, why didn't he outlaw tobacco, or fatty foods?

Its not the governments place to tell people what they can and can not do with their bodies. I am pretty sure cancer and heart disease kills more people then HPV does.

Personally I think the flu usually isn't worth vaccinating against. Flu shots are usually just a best guess as to what strain it's believed will be prominent in a given season. I personally think HPV, a wholly preventable disease that causes a much more serious disease, should be vaccinated against.

I was unaware of there being a chicken pox vaccine as I had chicken pox as a kid. In truth I wish I had been vaccinated against it as I have a few scars from having them as a kid that I would prefer I don't have.

 

[thraashman]

I don't know if I categorize anti-vacs as 'right wing' The Huffington post constantly preaches anti-vac stuff..

Its amazing to me that science has proven so many issues beyond a reasonable doubt and people still 'beleive' something is wrong..anti-vacs, global warming, evolution, etc.

The HPV vaccine detractors tend to be right wing as it's a prevention measure against an STD. Anything that prevents an STD that isn't abstinence only education tends to be something that the right wing is against.

 

[xBiffx]

I was unaware of there being a chicken pox vaccine as I had chicken pox as a kid. In truth I wish I had been vaccinated against it as I have a few scars from having them as a kid that I would prefer I don't have.

There is and I wish I would have received it as well for the same reasons. I actually had symptoms from this twice, which is extremely rare. The second time around, I was a teenager and it was very dangerous.

 

[sactoking]

This "study" is rife with self-selection bias, unconfirmed conclusions, and it completely worthless.

 

[Texashiker]

edit - I thought this was in OT. Admin Still Annoyed by Pseudo-Science Bullshit DrPizza

You removed the link in your original edit, the article I linked to and the link you removed showed two different studies and two different surveys.

I see nothing submitted in this thread that says vaccinated children have a lower rate of allergies, skin problems,,,, or other health issues.

The question is not about the disease being vaccinated against, but rather other conditions.

Do unvaccianted children have a lower rate of Asthma and Eczema then vaccinated children?

Personally I think the flu usually isn't worth vaccinating against.

Children and people with weak immune systems benefit the most from flu vaccines.

I was unaware of there being a chicken pox vaccine as I had chicken pox as a kid. In truth I wish I had been vaccinated against it as I have a few scars from having them as a kid that I would prefer I don't have.

The chicken pox vaccine wears off after a few years. If you are vaccinated as a child, you can still catch chicken pox as an adult.

 

[tydas]

My 5 month old isn't vaccinated. He was very congested when he was younger and we weren't going to risk putting his body under further distress by injecting him with viruses.

I Know the problem w\ this issue is that alot of you that are older probably have set opinions and grew up in a time when you had to goto the library and find something in an encyclopedia...

Yeah, the idea of shooting 3-4 viruses into my son is absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Irc8CHK0c&feature=fvst

Video about the HPV vaccination from 2008 talking about adverse side effects for which Merck the manufacturer claims is alot less than other vaccinations.

And since it's a campaign season, I'm curious if Merck has donated to Rick Perry since he made the hpv vaccination mandatory in Texas.

IMO you are very irresponsible, but you should be ok because of the 'herd' immunity affect.

 

[Texashiker]

My 5 month old isn't vaccinated. He was very congested when he was younger and we weren't going to risk putting his body under further distress by injecting him with viruses.

At the very least, get DTaP and MMR.

Whooping cough can be deadly to a infant.

 

[xBiffx]

IMO you are very irresponsible, but you should be ok because of the 'herd' mentality surrounding a false 'herd' immunity affect.

FTFY.

 

[Gooberlx2]

The question is not about the disease being vaccinated against, but rather other conditions.

Do unvaccianted children have a lower rate of Asthma and Eczema then vaccinated children?

As linked to earlier in the thread:

Results: Evaluable data on vaccinations were available for 13 453 subjects aged 1–17 years from non-immigrant families. 0.7% of them (95% confidence interval: 0.5%–0.9%) were not vaccinated. The lifetime prevalence of diseases preventable by vaccination was markedly higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated subjects. Unvaccinated children aged 1–5 years had a median number of 3.3 (2.1–4.6) infectious diseases in the past year, compared to 4.2 (4.1–4.4) in vaccinated children. Among 11- to 17-year-olds, the corresponding figures were 1.9 (1.0–2.8) (unvaccinated) versus 2.2 (2.1–2.3) (vaccinated). The lifetime prevalence of at least one atopic disease among 1- to 5-year-olds was 12.6% (5.0%–28.3%) in unvaccinated children and 15.0% (13.6%–16.4%) in vaccinated children. In older children, atopy was more common, but its prevalence was not found to depend on vaccination status: among 6- to 10-yearolds, the prevalence figures were 30.1% (12.9%–55.8%) for unvaccinated children versus 24.4% (22.8%–26.0%) for vaccinated children, and the corresponding figures for 11- to 17-year-olds were 20.3% (10.1%–36.6%) versus 29.9% (28.4%–31.5%).

Conclusion: The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status

(this time entirely using KiGGS data, and teasing out the differing groups of vaccinated/unvaccinated kids).