Va. Man Gets 150 Years for Child Porn

[davestar]

was anyone else reminded of this Onion article when readin Brutuskend's numerous posts about getting propositioned by gay men?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540?issue=4227&special=1998

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ricochet
He stated his views without resorting to name calling

It doesn't matter how "politely" he expresses his view point - it's an offensive thing to suggest that gay people are, in general, sexual predators.

he has had a few (or several) unpleasant experiences with homosexual men - he has decided that all gay men are sexual predators.

To express his opinion that gay people are, on average, sexual predators - and then claim he wasn't trying to insult anyone, is extremely ingenuous.

He clarified his position in a later posting. He made a comparision of how some women often describe men as pigs. Does that mean they believe all men are pigs? No, but according to these women they were unfortunate enough to come accross so many bad apples that it's natural for them to blurt out generalization without thinking twice.

It sounds like it was just not several unpleasant experience, but an overwelming majority of Brutusend's experience with homosexual men has been bad. It's not uncommon for victims of sexual harrassment to be scarred from their experiences. He did come out later to clarify that he did not think all homosexuals are sexual predators.

Yes, in fact I did so MANY times in this thread. I also stated that I don't HATE gays and that I have even had gay friends, but still you go on and on about how I hate gays and how I said ALL gays are a certain way and BOTH statements are UNTRUE. :roll: I hope you realize that the more you go on and on about insisting that I made statements I DIDN'T make the more militant and close minded and opinionated YOU seem to be.

If you wanted to be excepted for YOUR beliefs and opinions I suggest you start showing some latitude and understanding of OTHER peoples beliefs and opinions. A good place to start would be by NOT putting words in other peoples mouths IMO.

If I may make another DOG metaphor, not all Pit Bulls are bad dogs and not all Pit Bulls bite in fact I have met some VERY sweet and loving Pit Bulls, yet there are places that have BANNED all Pit Bulls due to the actions of SOME Pit Bulls. I have also met some very sweet and kind and loving gay men and I would never expect a community to ban all gays due to that actions of the bad ones that are out there. I have never owned a Pit Bull and I'm not sure I would ever WANT to own a Pit Bull, but I have nothing against the breed. Likewise I have never been roommates with a gay man and I'm not sure I would ever want to be roommates with a gay man. I feel sorry for the reputation that Pit Bulls have gotten due to the few bad ones that are out there, likewise I feel bad that I have acquired MY attitude toward gays due to the bad experiences that I have had with the few bad ones that are out there. Still I would no sooner go out and abuse a gay man for being gay than I would go out and abuse a Pit Bull for being a Pit Bull. Neither one of them had any choice in being what they are and neither one of them had any control over the actions of the others of their kind.

I would like to think that THIS helps you to understand my views, but I doubt it since the other times I have tried to clarify it seems to have gone right over your head....

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I also stated that I HATE gays and that I have never even had gay friends, but still you go on and on about how I hate gaysand how I said ALL gays are a certain way and BOTH statements are TRUE.

What Brutus is REALLY saying.

(just ask the knee-jerk f-tards in love with their own indignation)

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: davestar
was anyone else reminded of this Onion article when readin Brutuskend's numerous posts about getting propositioned by gay men?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540?issue=4227&special=1998

:roll:
WTF ever.

EDIT: And one more thing I would like to point out. I stated that the line I bolded was what set me off. Several people have said "OH but men do the same thing with WOMEN!''

If you read that bolded statement it's obvious that the person it's being used on has already said NO! Just like I had already said NO when it was used on ME. If the same line was used on a WOMAN, it would be equally obvious that SHE had already said no as well and it would be grounds for a sexual harassment suit. No means no, it doesn't mean "OH please try again and this time use some other line." When I was propositioned by a man and I said no and it was left at that I had NO problem with that, when I was propositioned by a man and he wouldn't take NO for a answer, well THAT is when I started HAVING a problem. Just like a woman in the same situation would have. When it's a woman saying no, then that's OK, but when it's a man saying no to another man, then that's being overly reactive? :roll:

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ricochet
Does his apprehension about gays make him a Homophobe? NO. Look up the definition. That is someone with irrational fear of gays, yet often have little to no experience with the aforementioned.

The term homophobia has 2 meanings.
1. fear of homosexuals
2. dislike of homosexuals, discrimination against homosexuals
(the second meaning is the more common use of the term)

I admit there are so many definitions. Just pulling up urban dictionary brings up 10 listings (I just chose the first one). We can argue over the symantecs and get nowhere.

Making discriminatory statements about gay people that are factually untrue and which present gay people in a highly unflattering light (i.e., his incessant linking of gay men to concepts of pedophilia and sexual predation) meets the definition of homophobic behavior.

If he doesn't want to wear the label, then maybe he should change his behavior.

The problem is that the statement he made are factually true for the gays that Brutuskend encountered, no matter how unflattering and unfortunate they may be. You can site all the statistics and academic lectures all you want, but it doesn't change the underlying reality of his experiences.

Is it fair for him to project his experiences to encompass the entire gay community? Of course not. The gay community is like any other group: there are good people and there are the bad apples. It so happens in this forum that you can't mention the bad apples without people coming out of the woodworks to setup their soap box.

I absolutely have no problem with Brutuskend's attitude toward gays based on his experiences. The people I have problems with are those who have predisposed opinions of gays without direct dealings with them.

I'm reminded of a conversation with a black friend of mine about the woman who went jogging in Central Park. She was attacked by 5 or 6 black men, who brutally raped and tortured her so severely that she fell into a coma. This friend of mine stated, while this doesn't represent the behavior of all blacks, that she has legitimate reason to fear and hate all black men given the context of her tragic, life altering experience.

The fact of the matter is that no group is beyond reproach whether homosexuals, blacks, whites, Xtrians, Muslims, etc. There are bad apples in all of them. Is it so hard to understand that victim of said group would mention these bad apples in an unflattering light?

I think it is easier for most of you to stand on your soap box and spout your self-righteous attitude, forgetting who the victim was.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ricochet
He stated his views without resorting to name calling

It doesn't matter how "politely" he expresses his view point - it's an offensive thing to suggest that gay people are, in general, sexual predators.

he has had a few (or several) unpleasant experiences with homosexual men - he has decided that all gay men are sexual predators.

To express his opinion that gay people are, on average, sexual predators - and then claim he wasn't trying to insult anyone, is extremely ingenuous.

Are you a reporter? If not you have missed your true calling. You are a MASTER at putting words in other peoples mouths, misquoting and taking things out of context.

I challenge you to find ONE instance in this thread OR ANY thread in which I posted regarding gayness where I said ALL GAYS (unless it was preceded by the word NOT) are a certain way, I also challenge you or ANYONE to find one instance where I said I HATE gays, either individually or as a group in ANY THREAD I have ever posted in. Prove me wrong, and I will take back ANYTHING I have ever said that bothers you....

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I would like to think that THIS helps you to understand my views

"And people wonder why I have a problem with gays. That is it in a nut shell. "OH come on, just TRY it!""

your words.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

It is interesting, though, that Brutuskend does seem to care when people label him a bigot and a homophobe.

From what I've seen you post in the past, you are no better than a bigot or a homophobe.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ricochet
He stated his views without resorting to name calling

It doesn't matter how "politely" he expresses his view point - it's an offensive thing to suggest that gay people are, in general, sexual predators.

he has had a few (or several) unpleasant experiences with homosexual men - he has decided that all gay men are sexual predators.

To express his opinion that gay people are, on average, sexual predators - and then claim he wasn't trying to insult anyone, is extremely ingenuous.

Are you a reporter? If not you have missed your true calling. You are a MASTER at putting words in other peoples mouths, misquoting and taking things out of context.

I challenge you to find ONE instance in this thread OR ANY thread in which I posted regarding gayness where I said ALL GAYS (unless it was preceded by the word NOT) are a certain way, I also challenge you or ANYONE to find one instance where I said I HATE gays, either individually or as a group in ANY THREAD I have ever posted in. Prove me wrong, and I will take back ANYTHING I have ever said that bothers you....

I think Brutuskend is learning the hard lesson that it's much easier to say something than it is to take things back. After reading more of this thread I think (a) people need to lay off him, we've all had our slips. (b) Brutuskend, you did open this thread with a pretty stupid comment, and it doesn't matter how much you try to "clarify" it later. If one were to change one word and make that "Man, now you all see why I have a problem with blacks!" then you could just as easily see the reaction you're getting. Take the heat-if it's not what you meant, then you need to be more careful about your wording in the future.

My 2 cents.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I would like to think that THIS helps you to understand my views

"And people wonder why I have a problem with gays. That is it in a nut shell. "OH come on, just TRY it!""

your words.

You're right, and THIS

If you read that bolded statement it's obvious that the person it's being used on has already said NO! Just like I had already said NO when it was used on ME. If the same line was used on a WOMAN, it would be equally obvious that SHE had already said no as well and it would be grounds for a sexual harassment suit. No means no, it doesn't mean "OH please try again and this time use some other line." When I was propositioned by a man and I said no and it was left at that I had NO problem with that, when I was propositioned by a man and he wouldn't take NO for a answer, well THAT is when I started HAVING a problem. Just like a woman in the same situation would have. When it's a woman saying no, then that's OK, but when it's a man saying no to another man, then that's being overly reactive?

is WHY I have a problem with the line that was used.

Do you get it now?

 

[Brutuskend]

OH MY GOD!!!

It just dawned on my that MAYBE you didn't realize the the comment I made at the end of the article I posted was meant ONLY in regard to the sentence that I bolded!
Namely

"He said I was gay and said just try it," Berry said, his voice breaking. "It confused me ... it messed me up so bad, so bad that to this day I have problems."

I can see how MAYBE you and others may have thought it was a commentary on the WHOLE article. That was NEVER my intention!! If you thought that that WAS in regard to the article as a WHOLE, I DO DEEPLY AND SINCERELY apologize. And if that WAS the case, them I CAN understand why you and ANYONE would be offend!

What I was trying to convey was that I have a problem with people not taking NO for an answer! If I had ever had a woman hitting on me and SHE had refused to take no as the final word, then I would have a problem with THAT as well. Having never had that happen, but having had MEN refuse to except NO as my answer to a come on, then I can only come at this problem from THAT perspective.

Once again, if you thought I was suggesting that ALL gays are like the guy mentioned in the news story I apologize!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I would like to think that THIS helps you to understand my views, but I doubt it since the other times I have tried to clarify it seems to have gone right over your head....

The vast majority of people on earth have no interest in understanding others' views. Just in making those views more similar to their own.

 

[cvrefugee]

It's getting too gay in this thread...

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alba1jpgsq7.jpg

...ah, much better!

 

[renaldoriggs]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Why would he plea guilty to get 150 years in prison? He should have at least plea bargained it down to something. I mean what he did is bad, but it's not murder.

You're a complete idiot.